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I asked you what you thought our problem was and you said intolerance, didn't you? Or am I going insane... Well like I said...I don't agree with this war. Quite a bit actually. Unlike %99 of Americans, I knew who Osama Bin Laden was BEFORE 9/11... Most Middle Eastern countries do. But we created society. How do you know society isn't a problem to begin with? I can't list every social right I think we deserve. I think we all need to be able live as those created in the image of God should live. But that comes from my religious beliefs. If I had no religious beliefs, I probably would not be able to talk about what I "believe" about social problems.
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I disagree. I think the elecetion of Bush again came from a total lack of a countering candidate (Kerry? please.), and the thought that Bush would never be able to marshall support for another war, and the fact that Kerry supported this war to begin with too! So I think Bush getting elected again was not the result of people's happiness with the war but with a lack of a better candidate. Well if one believes, abortion, contraception, engaging in homosexuality etc. etc. are wrong, certainly one could think that the U.S.A. is too tolerant? The world for that matter.
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You are probably going insane.. (jk)...because when I wrote WE --I was clearly considering the human beings as a whole....I didnt say especifically 'Americans'...sorry if you didnt catch it... Well...this is why I love you!! So you are helping me to confirming my theory...americans know nothing about what is 'outside america'... And most of the Western countries want it... I dont know if its a problem..proabably is... .but we live in society...so we need to live using and respecting rules and having socual rights... You know that I dont have ' religious beliefs' ..hum..like you...right? but I still belive in social rights and Im sure Im able to talk about them...why not? See ...you are being intolerant...
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Ah I see. Sorry for my misunderstanding. Only because of my political views? Doesn't this make you intolerant of those who don't have my views? lol jk No no no, you don't geti it. Americans don't know anything PERIOD!!! Inn a poll conducted the other day, only 1 in a thousand people even knew what five rights the first ammendment to the Constitution gives them. tons of people thought one of the rights was the right to own a pet! The vast majority of americans, thanks to this pathetic excuse for a school system we have, are totally lacking in knowledge. Yeah. Well, one thing I DID agree with Bush on is that we are addicted to oil. If society is a problem shouldn't we fix it or get rid of it and make something new instead of just dealing with it? Well you may have a few beliefs but where do they come from? I'm very tolerant of those in error. I know they are in error and won't compromise on that, but I do not persecute them for it.
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I pretty much agreed with everything you said up until this comment. What of the colonial period, particularly in Africa?
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no, that is most definitely not a Christian view. if that's the way you see Christianity, I am deeply sorry for whatever you have experienced that has made it such. Political Christianity, as used by Bush and crusaders, is not truly Christianity. I won't get into it too much in this forum, but loving one another is at the heart of the religion. So, it is very un-Christian to be secluded in your "happy way of life" and to not care if something doesn't directly affect you. Yes, that might be how states that are historically Christian might act, but the fact that the U.S. doesn't act unless acted upon doesn't stem from its Christian roots. Instead, our country was isolationist, really, up until the Cold War, so we have a good 200-300 years (including the colonial period) of not caring entirely too much what was going on in the Eastern Hemisphere.
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i would hardly consider that humble lol
ditto that's why i don't like Bush so much anymore. this approach that he and his cronies use is dangerous in international politics. much like radical islamists will experience backlash for their views, i expect that, if it hasn't happened already (int'l opposition to the war in iraq), the u.s. will again have substantial difficulty in currying int'l favor. I assume that, in regards to the U.S., you don't mean true conservatism. Conservatism, at least over here, indicates a desire for a smaller federal government, states' rights, and little government invasion of privacy. In this regard, Bush is certainly not politically conservative, only socially conservative (neo-conservative, as you may well know).
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yesssssssssss! i love it! i can't stand it when i hear or see people of a more liberal moral persuasion deride me for being "intolerant," and, in the same breath, tell me that my beliefs are essentially wrong. helloooooo, irony! at least because i'm an absolutist, i can tell you you're wrong, and not have to worry about making statements that are antithetical to my beliefs lol.
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you're kidding me, right? Bush, Rummy, and Cheney might not be the brightest fellows, but I think they would realize that starting another war in which treaties and alliances are the reason for starting it (Taiwan, Israel, S. Korea) would probably kill the Republican party. In fact, as we're seeing inthe latest domestic issues--wire-tapping and UAE-owned ports--many Congressional Republicans are willing to disagree with Bush. The key here is that we have a fairly evenly-divided House and Senate, and Republican losses in heated districts and states in both '06 and '08 will obviously affect the future direction of the country. Plus, Congressmen who stand by Bush on such divisive (or even highly unpopular) issues seem to be headed back home next year.
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Ana & Stephen: I think you'uns (that is evidently an Ozark word indicating the plural "you") are at odds over the issue of intolerance simply because you're discussing different kinds of intolerance. Socially speaking, the majority of America is rather tolerant. Watching MTV or Bravo or HBO for a couple of hours will dispell any myths that we aren't. Yes, there are those, such as the KKK, who aren't particularly open to social change, but American culture, as a whole, allows for just about anything.
Politically speaking, however, President Bush at least conveys an image of intolerance. The Bush Doctrine--"you're either with us or you're against us"--is quite apparently intolerant of opposition. But that doesn't necessarily mean that the whole American political system is intolerant. It has adapted substantially over the years to changing social circumstance, so I don't see any reason why it will in the future. It just seems that some politicians, such as Wolfowitz, Cheney, Rummy, Bush, etc., are stuck in a Cold War mentality.
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this isn't exactly a new concept. all throughout the Cold War, the US used operatives in Latin America and Asia to bring about democratic change in certain countries, to "save" them from having a socialist or communist regime. we even supported corrupt bastards like Chiang (RoC/Taiwan) in an effort to prevent the spread of communism.
ohhh, oil... evidently, that's our only motive for doing anything internationally. if we wanted oil, we would've gone in all by ourselves. if I'm not mistaken, the UN saw Saddam pulling some pretty illegal shit. Article 51 of the UN Charter says that one state has no right to abrogate the territorial sovereignty of another state. Iraq invaded another state in an effort to reclaim a former province. What if we (the world) just let that happen? Then you would see China immediately try to take back Taiwan (they did nothing with their UNSC vote on Iraq in the '90s, but chose to abstain instead). By not doing anything in Iraq in '91, the UN would have essentially rendered itself useless by not punishing a country who directly violated its charter.
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Gezz... Ryan....lately you are misenderstanding all of my comments here...actually I was being ironic with uncertain about the christian view...
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One slight disagreement... I don't think the majority of Republicans oppose the wire tapping. They way they look at it is if someone is receiving calls from certain terrorist hotbed regions of Afghanistan... then the government has the right to know who it is you're talking to. I think the majority of the nation still sides with Republicans on issues... especially with the surge of liberalism within the Democratic Party... and with the antics of people like Howard Dean, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Joe Biden, Chucky Schumer, and Nancy Pelosi the Democrats are only hurting their chances. I honestly think the Republicans will wrap up the '08 election if John McCain runs... I don't think someone like Hillary Clinton stands a chance against him. |
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... used operatives in Latin America tobring about democratic changes incertain countries?? oh its amazing! and of course ... very democratic!!!!! .... supporting dictatorships that killed thousand of innocent men and women in Latin America--some of them maybe had ' affinity'.for comunism system ---but most of them were common peole taken away by the militaires to suffer all kind of torture ...like teachers, journalists, students, priests...common people who simply disappeared...because someone decided that they needed to save those countries before they become communist... Very democratic!!!!!!!! .[/quote] whats happening, Ryan? I remmeber you saying to Chase that Iraq was invaded becuase of oil...but anyway...youve must changed your mind...
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Allright...I forgive you... lol Actually I must be very tolerant to say this... lol That 'one' was you???? --lol Actually I think that education is in a bad moment in everywhere ... especially public education ...because our (in a whole concept not only american--please!) wise politicians are much more interested in economics and consequently forget education... Well.. seems he knows what hes talking about ...he sent soldiers to invade Iraq...right? Suggestions??? Have you ever heard about FAMILY????? . Oh you are a very tolerant person....
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