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Ana4Stapp 03-03-2006 04:36 PM
Teacher on leave after alleged anti-Bush words
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11648765/

Teacher on leave after alleged anti-Bush words
Students stage walk-out to show support for Colorado high school teacher (you can also listen to his comments)

Is ok for teachers to discuss political beliefs in classroom? Or their comments were inappropriate???

eusebioCBR 03-03-2006 06:21 PM
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In public schools NO. I don't view preaching a political view to a captive audience from a position of authority as a balanced exchange of ideas.

Ana4Stapp 03-03-2006 06:31 PM
Re: Teacher on leave after alleged anti-Bush words
 
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Originally Posted by eusebioCBR
In public schools NO. I don't view preaching a political view to a captive audience from a position of authority as a balanced exchange of ideas.

:rolleyes: Why NOT in public schools???

I think students in High school (specially) must debate political issues...and the teachers can start these debates...of course im not saying dictating their points of views in class...but this is democracy...isnt it?

However I think the boy's atitude wasnt correct, using a subterfuge to show his discomfort in hearing his teachers views...

And btw its toooo hard for a History teacher to not shows his/her points of views in politics in class...too hard...believe me..:D

eusebioCBR 03-03-2006 07:02 PM
Re: Teacher on leave after alleged anti-Bush words
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ana4Stapp
:rolleyes: Why NOT in public schools???

I think students in High school (specially) must debate political issues...and the teachers can start these debates...of course im not saying dictating their points of views in class...but this is democracy...isnt it?

However I think the boy's atitude wasnt correct, using a subterfuge to show his discomfort in hearing his teachers views...

And btw its toooo hard for a History teacher to not shows his/her points of views in politics in class...too hard...believe me..:D
I think debate between students is fine, but what's the point of this teacher including the current American President in US history? In this case he had a point to make. The left wing agenda is prevalent in American schools, I've been there! I think it would be too difficult for an educated adult to not try to influence. We all have pride and egos no matter how noble we think we are.

Ana4Stapp 03-03-2006 08:00 PM
Re: Teacher on leave after alleged anti-Bush words
 
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Originally Posted by eusebioCBR
I think debate between students is fine, but what's the point of this teacher including the current American President in US history? .

...maybe because he's obviously part of U.S. history...hum?:rolleyes:

Ana4Stapp 03-03-2006 08:11 PM
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Also I think its better to bring recent events in History to debate in class instead of forming political illiterates...

Quote:
"The worst illiterate is the political illiterate, he doesn't hear, doesn't speak, nor it participates in the political events. He doesn't knows the cost of life, the price of the bean, of the fish, of the flour, of the rent, of the shoes and of the medicine, all depends on political decisions. The political illiterate is so stupid that he is proud and swell the chest saying that he hates politics. The imbecile doesn't know that, from of his
"her political ignorance is born the prostitute, the abandoned child, and the worst thieves of all, the bad politician, corrupt and flunky of the national and multinational companies."
(B Brecht)

eusebioCBR 03-03-2006 08:12 PM
Re: Teacher on leave after alleged anti-Bush words
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ana4Stapp
...maybe because he's obviously part of U.S. history...hum?:rolleyes:
Wow they've covered everything up to Pres. Bushs election. They still have a few months left, what will they learn? Perhaps wich will be the best democrat candidate to clean up Bushs 8 year US history.;)

Ana4Stapp 03-03-2006 10:39 PM
Re: Teacher on leave after alleged anti-Bush words
 
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Originally Posted by eusebioCBR
Wow they've covered everything up to Pres. Bushs election. They still have a few months left, what will they learn? Perhaps wich will be the best democrat candidate to clean up Bushs 8 year US history.;)

Do you think that History only refers to the past?

Chase 03-04-2006 02:03 AM
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Our tax dollars don't go to teachers who want to indoctrinate children.

Ana4Stapp 03-04-2006 02:39 AM
Re: Teacher on leave after alleged anti-Bush words
 
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Originally Posted by Chase
Our tax dollars don't go to teachers who want to indoctrinate children.

telling the truth is the same of 'indoctrinate ' children? or are you defending that teachers must hide the truth ???
:rolleyes:

eusebioCBR 03-04-2006 03:20 AM
Re: Teacher on leave after alleged anti-Bush words
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ana4Stapp
telling the truth is the same of 'indoctrinate ' children? or are you defending that teachers must hide the truth ???
:rolleyes:
unfortunatly in this situation truth is relative to the deliverer. The teacher considers Bush an invader while a student may view Bush as a liberator. History is a recorded sequence of events but comparing Bush to Hitler is a reckless display of the teachers political opinion.
History(the past) Present(the now) Future(on its way) this formula has served me well for 33 years and I'm sticking with it:)

Chase 03-04-2006 05:05 AM
Re: Teacher on leave after alleged anti-Bush words
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ana4Stapp
telling the truth is the same of 'indoctrinate ' children? or are you defending that teachers must hide the truth ???
:rolleyes:

Hitler killed millions of innocent Jews by having them incinerated and shot to death. Bush hasn't done that. Therefore, he is lying and not telling the truth.

Steve 03-04-2006 12:02 PM
Re: Teacher on leave after alleged anti-Bush words
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ana4Stapp
Do you think that History only refers to the past?

Are you implying history refers to future events? Maybe I've been taught wrong all these years... sure future events will become history, but that doesn't make them history to begin with.

When I was in highschool two of my history teachers were stanch liberals. They often discussed their political views, but not during classtime. When it came time to discuss current events, they kept their personal viewpoints out of the way of the discussion. That's what a teacher is supposed to do. A teacher of history is not supposed to give his/her personal viewpoints. They are supposed to encourage personal and individual thought and teach an unbiased lesson.

Mrprophetman 03-04-2006 12:48 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chase
Hitler killed millions of innocent Jews by having them incinerated and shot to death. Bush hasn't done that. Therefore, he is lying and not telling the truth.

He is partially responsible for the fact that dead people floated in the water in New Orleans for almost two weeks before anyone had the thought to retreive the bodies. And all that time Bush said no one could have know the levee's would be breached. Turns out he knew more than anyone thought.

One of the most important sea ports in this country and there had been no improvements to the levee's since the 1960's

eusebioCBR 03-04-2006 01:17 PM
Re: Teacher on leave after alleged anti-Bush words
 
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Originally Posted by Mrprophetman
He is partially responsible for the fact that dead people floated in the water in New Orleans for almost two weeks before anyone had the thought to retreive the bodies. And all that time Bush said no one could have know the levee's would be breached. Turns out he knew more than anyone thought.

One of the most important sea ports in this country and there had been no improvements to the levee's since the 1960's
So you believe George Bush controls the weather and over the last 30 years he should have been doing more to reinforce the levee:wtf:


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