I went to a Scott Stapp concert and wore my Alter Bridge t-shirt

[rabidgopher04]

I found this interesting link today: http://www.iwenttoastappconcertandworemyalterbridgeshirt.com/

I think it's kind of funny. :)

[The Lithium]

This one is funny too!

[RoffeDH]

But wasn't Scott not doing any conserts? I thought he said so in the beginning at least...

[creedsister]

This one is funny too!
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA :roll: :roll: :roll: :) i want one too HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[TeriB19]

Ok that's some funny shit right there.

[Robin101]

That's generous of Scott. After all, they need all the publicity they can get!!! :)

[INDIGOSTEVE]

Sorry I saw AB live and Myles can't compete with Scott vocally, and AB cant even fill the halls up they will be short lived. Scott's cd will sell 3 times Ab! and you can bet on it.

[in reality]

I agree, IndigoSteve, I read a review of the TGD single where it said about the rich tone Stapp has on this record.

[ctfan]

Sorry I saw AB live and Myles can't compete with Scott vocally, and AB cant even fill the halls up they will be short lived. Scott's cd will sell 3 times Ab! and you can bet on it.

Oh, I agree, Stapps voice has always matched the music, and I think that makes a big difference.

[PrtytilImPurple]

That's generous of Scott. After all, they need all the publicity they can get!!! :)

Touche!....hehehe. I ask people what they think of Alter Bridge and they say...Who?

[Ana4Stapp]

Oh my God! again??!!! I know i said it before but Iam going to repeat it:Pink,Christina, Britney, Ashley, Eminem, Usher are EXTREMELLY famous people all over the world, but we all know they are ... :eek: :eek: :eek :rolleyes:

[titan9]

Touche!....hehehe. I ask people what they think of Alter Bridge and they say...Who?

They're still such a new band, so of course not everyone will know them. Did a bunch of people know about Creed before "Higher" and "With Arms Wide Open"? No! In order for a band or an artist to be well-known, they have to achieve a certain level of commercial success. And in order to achieve that success, they need to get really good radio airplay. And in order to get good radio airplay, they need to have radio friendly singles. That gives them really good record sales. Commercial success sells records; talent doesn't always. If AB has a huge hit on Pop radio(like Creed did), they'll be well-known like Creed was. But even if AB doesn't achieve Creed's success(and not that many Rock bands do nowadays), that still does not mean that they aren't as talented as Creed was, and that sure as heck doesn't mean Stapp is superior to them. All it means is that they did not achieve the type of commercial success that Creed did.

[The Lithium]

Sorry I saw AB live and Myles can't compete with Scott vocally, and AB cant even fill the halls up they will be short lived. Scott's cd will sell 3 times Ab! and you can bet on it.
I'll bet on it! I bet ODR will sell 3 times more than TGD.

And WHAAAT??? Myles voice is way better technically and way better live. Sorry, but Stapp SUCKED throughout almost the whole Wheatered tour. And if you listen to bootlegs Scott almost never hits the high notes at the end of Higher. At least I've never heard him do it. I heard Myles sing Find The Real with a cold and fever and he sure as hell sang the VERY high notes at the end of that song. Myles IS technically a better singer, you have to admit that. But I understand if you like Stapp better.

Touche!....hehehe. I ask people what they think of Alter Bridge and they say...Who?
When I ask people about AB pretty many know of them. When I talk about Scott though, pretty many go "Who?". And if they do know him it's because they knew Creed. You should try asking them if they've heard of "The Great Divide".

And I agree with Titan. Scott is more of a commercial artis, AB aren't.

[titan9]

I don't think a lot of people have heard of TGD, even those who regularly listen to Rock radio. The song is still pretty young and is just now starting to receive some decent airplay, though I personally have not heard it on my local stations yet(probably because I rarely listen to the radio, even Rock radio). I'd assume that, as we get closer to the release date of the album, we'll probably hear TGD a lot more on the radio. I still stand by my prediction that this album will sell 200,000-400,000 in its first week, which means I think that the single will get good airplay. We'll see, though.

[Ana4Stapp]

They're still such a new band, so of course not everyone will know them. Did a bunch of people know about Creed before "Higher" and "With Arms Wide Open"? No! In order for a band or an artist to be well-known, they have to achieve a certain level of commercial success. And in order to achieve that success, they need to get really good radio airplay. And in order to get good radio airplay, they need to have radio friendly singles. That gives them really good record sales. Commercial success sells records; talent doesn't always. If AB has a huge hit on Pop radio(like Creed did), they'll be well-known like Creed was. But even if AB doesn't achieve Creed's success(and not that many Rock bands do nowadays), that still does not mean that they aren't as talented as Creed was, and that sure as heck doesn't mean Stapp is superior to them. All it means is that they did not achieve the type of commercial success that Creed did.

Ditto ...by the way (again) your post says everything...Titan ;)

[Mrprophetman]

I'll bet on it! I bet ODR will sell 3 times more than TGD.
And I agree with Titan. Scott is more of a commercial artis, AB aren't.

Then maybe that explains ODR's dismal album sales. If their singles don't get played on the radio, it certainly isn't helping to sell CD's. If ODR sells three times more than Stapp then that means Stapp only has to sell around 150,000 CD's. I think before you start making predictions you may want to wait until the CD is actually released. How much you want to bet?

[bobben]

They're still such a new band, so of course not everyone will know them. Did a bunch of people know about Creed before "Higher" and "With Arms Wide Open"? No!

Well, Creed had 3 songs (Torn, MOP and WTLF) from MOP on the top rock charts all over! That's 100 times better than AB ever have achieved!

[INDIGOSTEVE]

thats why I renamed them Average Band........... ;)

[The Lithium]

Then maybe that explains ODR's dismal album sales. If their singles don't get played on the radio, it certainly isn't helping to sell CD's. If ODR sells three times more than Stapp then that means Stapp only has to sell around 150,000 CD's. I think before you start making predictions you may want to wait until the CD is actually released. How much you want to bet?
Well, first of all, I wasn't dead serious about it. But... I do think that AB will be around for some time, and I know Stapp is gonna break big, 'cause he was the face of Creed. But I somehow think that, overall, AB will be the bigger band.
But I may be wrong. 'Cause I'm sure Scott will go in a more commercial direction that AB. And there's not really anything wrong with that, but that will give him good airplays. So if Stapp breaks bigger than AB because he's making commercial music I would still say AB is better. I think the less you do the commercial stuff and the more you do your own stuff - the better. And the other way around.

So I'll bet with you on that. I bet Hayley. (You may have seen her around here somewhere...) Yeah, I own her, she's my girl... She's my slave. I've bet her before, so what the hell, if you win, you can have her. But it will take a couple of years to see who's wrong or who's right.

[The Lithium]

Well, Creed had 3 songs (Torn, MOP and WTLF) from MOP on the top rock charts all over! That's 100 times better than AB ever have achieved!
Yeah, they were big in the states, I think Titan means that Creed were VERY unknown in the rest of the world. It wasn't before the release of Human Clay Creed started climbing the charts here in Europe and in Australia. I think Asia were a little later, and oh God, don't ask me about Africa! :D

[Mrprophetman]

Well, first of all, I wasn't dead serious about it. But... I do think that AB will be around for some time, and I know Stapp is gonna break big, 'cause he was the face of Creed. But I somehow think that, overall, AB will be the bigger band.
But I may be wrong. 'Cause I'm sure Scott will go in a more commercial direction that AB. And there's not really anything wrong with that, but that will give him good airplays. So if Stapp breaks bigger than AB because he's making commercial music I would still say AB is better. I think the less you do the commercial stuff and the more you do your own stuff - the better. And the other way around.

So I'll bet with you on that. I bet Hayley. (You may have seen her around here somewhere...) Yeah, I own her, she's my girl... She's my slave. I've bet her before, so what the hell, if you win, you can have her. But it will take a couple of years to see who's wrong or who's right.

You sure sounded dead serious. So Alter Bridge will be the bigger band...even considering the fact that their last single never got airplay on rock radio? And they are touring as an opening act for a bigger band? They may be doing their own stuff, but you got to admit that commercial sells records. People can hate radio all they want, but to sell records the idea is to get your song played on the radio. People hear your song and then just maybe like it enough to go out and buy the CD....or I guess some people just find a place to download it illegally for free.

Keep your "slave"...I can't believe that you referred to another human being in that way. I have no need for anyone in that capacity. Two years.....I don't think so.

[jmhonline]

You sure sounded dead serious. So Alter Bridge will be the bigger band...even considering the fact that their last single never got airplay on rock radio? And they are touring as an opening act for a bigger band? They may be doing their own stuff, but you got to admit that commercial sells records. People can hate radio all they want, but to sell records the idea is to get your song played on the radio. People hear your song and then just maybe like it enough to go out and buy the CD....or I guess some people just find a place to download it illegally for free.

Keep your "slave"...I can't believe that you referred to another human being in that way. I have no need for anyone in that capacity. Two years.....I don't think so.

But the thing is that AB is trying to get on the radio. Tremonti even admits it:
"Some critics think we're everything they hated about Creed," Tremonti says. "But we have to release those songs with the big choruses that are very Creed-like to get on the radio. It's hard to be completely different because I was so involved with those Creed songs."
http://www.alterbridgeband.net/media/articles/2-17-05_sunpop.html

[INDIGOSTEVE]

you get on the radio because you have great songs but Ab does not have anything great to put out their, and Stapp will, cut n dry Stapp will sell way more cd's than AB........... :rolleyes:

[Mrprophetman]

But the thing is that AB is trying to get on the radio. Tremonti even admits it:
"Some critics think we're everything they hated about Creed," Tremonti says. "But we have to release those songs with the big choruses that are very Creed-like to get on the radio. It's hard to be completely different because I was so involved with those Creed songs."
http://www.alterbridgeband.net/media/articles/2-17-05_sunpop.html

BUT....BUT....I thought it was supposed to be all about FUN. Well all I know is that I never heard Broken Wings on the radio (and it did have a big chorus and a big guitar solo)

[Dogstar]

Good Lord, does EVERY thread have turn into Stapp vs. AB? That said, I hate to admit it, but I think Stapp will sell more than AB ever did, simply because he's more radio-friendly, and that's what Wind Up and the labels want. Back in the day, the labels were happy to have a couple of cash cows and leave room for artists who might need more than one or two records to really define their sound. Sadly, that is not the case these days. If you don't go gold in a month, you're basically screwed. Ask Submersed about that. I love them, but apparently mainstream radio didn't embrace them enough, or Wind Up didn't pay enough to get them on the radio. They've already given up on them, promotion-wise, which really sucks because these guys have actual talent. I'm not saying Stapp doesn't, but I suspect he will go totally the way Wind Up wants him to. I hope I'm wrong.

[titan9]

Oh, I agree, Submersed is a very talented band that deserves all the promotion they can get. Same with 12 Stones, yet another Wind-Up band. Even though WU is an independent label, and they're supposed to be all about their artists, all they really care about is the cash cows. They'll give their "money-makers" a ton of promotion(Evanescence, Seether etc.) and then completely ignore their less established acts(Big Dismal, 12 Stones, and now Submersed) just because they aren't Pop radio friendly artists. Look at 12 Stones in particular. They released Potter's Field 2 weeks after Alter Bridge's "One Day Remains" came out. 12 Stones has only toured maybe 10-15 times in support of the album. That's extremely poor managing from Wind-Up, and I have yet to actually see any sign that Wind-Up is promoting them. If WU is disappointed with the sales, they really ought not to be. If WU would have given 12 Stones the promotion that they deserved(afterall, their vocalist was featured in the huge Evanescence hit "Bring Me To Life"), I'm willing to bet Potter's Field would have sold even better than it has. Afterall, 12 Stones debut CD sold 300,000 in only 2 and a half years.

I hope that WU starts to treat these lesser known artists a bit better. And if they don't, I hope these artists leave WU and go to a label that'll actually promote them.

I do think WU is going to promote Stapp extremely well, because of the simple fact that he's the former lead singer of one of the most popular Rock bands of the last 6 years. There are still a lot of people who remember and know who Stapp is, and there are still a lot of Stapp fans who are going to want this album. WU knows this, and they want to make all the money they possibly can so they're gonna push the heck out of this album.

[GregS]

ye man Stapp is gonna do extremely well. Afterall he was the face of creed , every1 knows who he or creed are. His album is gonna be alot pop/rock than Alter Bridge's One Day Remains. There will be alot of creed like ballady songs so they will be alot more radio play. Stapp will do well but this doesnt mean Ab wont.. They've been touring all this time and they've won over alot of fans. Alot of people have been buying their record. And they will continue to get bigger. I mean , theres still another album to come out of them. Jus gotta wait and see what happens. :rolleyes:

[GregS]

And ye also.. I agree that more and more of these threads are starting to turn into Stapp vs Ab and its just getting stupid...

[ryen]

i dont thank ab is going to do no where as good as scott well. dont get me wrong scott phillps is a grat drumer and mark is a grat guitar player, but there missing on thing the voice of scott stapp, and thats why there not going to be around long they may get some fans here and there but stell not iny die hard fans like scott stapp has

[Creed7352]

umm...ryen, i'm a die hard fan of alter bridge and so are all the people on alterbridgeband.net's bb...

broken wings has no solo in it.

it didn't fair well on radio cause windup stopped sending it to radio stations and hasn't done shit to promote the band.

radio is not the same as it was when creed was popular...it's flooded with these new bands that play emo-punk shit and also by the bands like the killers that are going for that british type, almost 80's pop, sound.

alter bridge is opening for 3dd cause it will get them more exposure since windup isn't promoting them or sending any singles to radio. it's a wise move cause a lot of people like 3dd and will hear ab since they're opening...by this time next year, i bet ab will be doing much better.

[Creed7352]

I'm willing to bet Potter's Field would have sold even better than it has. Afterall, 12 Stones debut CD sold 300,000 in only 2 and a half years.

ab has done more than that in less than one year (meaning it was less than one year when they passed that number)...

[titan9]

The thing with AB is that they have a larger fan base than 12 Stones, have received more promotion than 12 Stones did(which wasn't a lot) and, it doesn't hurt matters that 3/4 of AB were former Creed members. Why I think 12 Stones sales are impressive is because they did it without a number 1 hit, without any sort of connection to a big Rock band, and most importantly, without very much promotion. I wasn't at all trying to compare AB to 12 Stones, just trying to say that WU has blew it when it comes to promoting 12 Stones and other lesser known acts.

[Creed7352]

The thing with AB is that they have a larger fan base than 12 Stones, have received more promotion than 12 Stones did(which wasn't a lot) and, it doesn't hurt matters that 3/4 of AB were former Creed members. Why I think 12 Stones sales are impressive is because they did it without a number 1 hit, without any sort of connection to a big Rock band, and most importantly, without very much promotion. I wasn't at all trying to compare AB to 12 Stones, just trying to say that WU has blew it when it comes to promoting 12 Stones and other lesser known acts.

oh i didn't mean that you were trying to compare them...i was just making that point cause i thought that in the past you had said that ab hasn't sold that many records and how poor it was that they have only sold 500,000 or whatever the number is, and now you were saying that 300,000 was a lot for 12 stones. i was basically saying, "300,000 is a lot for 12 stones over 2 years, but 300,000 isn't a lot for ab in less than one year?" i had to mixed up with someone else...sorry, i apologize.

[titan9]

Nope, I've never said that AB sold poorly. I think they have sold well, all things considered. No need to apologize. :)

[Steve]

12 Stones got a ton of promotion that summer they opened for Creed on the ampitheaters tour. And they did have a #1 single didn't they? Well maybe not #1 on the charts, but in the top 10... their debut CD, the first single released... I can't remember the name of it offhand. Here it was huge.

[titan9]

Yeah, but I was mainly referring to the promotion for last year's CD, Potter's Field. I didn't state that clearly. I know WU gave'em some decent promotion with the first CD(which it seems like is a trend with WU), but hardly any with the second. And if "Broken" was a big hit, I did not hear it on any radio stations around here. The only reason I found out about 12 Stones was through Bring Me To Life by Evanescence.

[tremonti4life04]

Im actually going to see 3 Doors Down, Shinedown, and Alter Bridge at the Bryce Jordan Center on october 27th. Ive always been a huge fan of all 3 bands, but overall, 3dd has the bigger fan base, and i cant wait to see the commercial success that this will bring to Alter Bridge in the states. Alter Bridge is gonna show the Shinedown/3DD fan base what rock really is, and show them how a stage should be worked. :)