Why aren't we all deformed?

[Amish Warlord]

So...think about this. We all are supposed to come from Adam and Eve right? So.. what if we did? Think about it. When you have children with your sister, you come out deformed, and more than likely pretty dumb. Are we? no. So.. how can that work? if brothers and sisters were impregnating each other in the beginning of time, how come it's not okay now.. or how come we're all not deformed? It's good food for thought.

-James's Girlfriend

[Xterminator27]

The bible is like Creed songs but deeper. U listen to WHat if and he says. "Cant sleep benieth teh trees of wisdom, because youe axe has cut the roots that feed them" In example u would read that and think, hey theres these trees and he cant sleep under them becsue there broken. how about no.

The bible is an outline of what happened with many fillings and changes to the real story.

It was a book, written by several authors. To gete people to read it more back then they changed it to their own ways.

Adam is a way of saying that man can never be god and how we, even though no its wrong will still do it, take that "Apple" and eat it.

Adam and eve is a Saying, not a fact.

[Bridge of Clay]

I´ll have to disagree.

Before you make statements like this, you must know the case.
Read the Bible from Genesis to Revelations first.

God created Adam and Eve. They had sons and daughters.
God asked them to have children, in order to populate Earth. At that time, their kids didn´t born dumb or deformed.

Later, when God considers that there are enough people, he says "That´s enough. From now on, impregnating your sister, daughter or mother shall be considered sin." So, that´s when this disfunctions begin.

Then, after Earth was destroyed by the flood, it was the same thing. Noah and his family (I think it was his wife and 3 sons and their wives, not sure right now) had the same instruction. Again, when God considered that was enough people, sleeping with your relatives began to be considered as sin.

Too sorry I don´t have a Bible in English nearby, right now. But if you want to, I can post the passages by the end of the week, in English.

X, you can´t say Bible was changed. Despite it was written by many men, all of them were inspired and guided by the Holy Spirit of God.

You can´t say it´s just a saying, coz you have no proof of that. At the same time, I can´t tell you it´s fact, coz I don´t either have proof of that. It´s a matter of faith: you believe in the Bible and accept it´s God´s words for us or you don´t. You´ll never find proofs of this and that, coz God wants that we develop our FAITH, that we do believe in his words.

[Xterminator27]

Yesi do not have any proff of anything, noone has proof af anything. I am just stating what i have asked priests and religion teachers at my school and church.

[Bridge of Clay]

You do know Catholic Church accepts the theory we came from monkeys?

try another point of view

[Xterminator27]

And i do belive that we came from monkeys, lol

Its all teh part of evolution people. we cam from monkeys that cane from little cel lthings. Its just how it works. (Or how i belive it works)

All u are is a bunch off microscopic cells. Ur brain is you, your body supports teh brain. You ARE THE BRAIN. Teh brain is YOU. The brain is made of billions of brain cells, u take a memory cell and kill it, ull will nolonger have that memory, it wil lbe as if it never happend. U take somoen elses memory cell and somehow put it into ur head. U WILL have that persons memory. Its odd isnt it? How could we be whoel beings and think and such, out of a gray blob of microscopic creatures?. Its sooooo wierd and confusing.
I saw my cheek cell in school a few weeks ago, and it was wierd seeing a microsopit thing that makes up your cheek/

[Xterminator27]

And if ya think about THAT. whuts even weirder is that tose microscopic cells are just made out of atoms. VERRY small balls that have protons orbiting them, People are mostly made out of nitrogen atoms. UR dna is made out of 4 kinds of atoms, depeding on hwo these microscopic balls are placed changes who you are, what u look like and how u act. THATS FREKEN WEIRD

And the thing is THESE facts have been 100% proven

Also atoms are just made outof Somethen SMALLer, i 4get what there called but like 5 trillion of em make an atom.

[Amish Warlord]

Originally posted by Xterminator27
And if ya think about THAT. whuts even weirder is that tose microscopic cells are just made out of atoms. VERRY small balls that have protons orbiting them, People are mostly made out of nitrogen atoms. UR dna is made out of 4 kinds of atoms, depeding on hwo these microscopic balls are placed changes who you are, what u look like and how u act. THATS FREKEN WEIRD

And the thing is THESE facts have been 100% proven

Also atoms are just made outof Somethen SMALLer, i 4get what there called but like 5 trillion of em make an atom.

Ahh.. i love this board.

First of all.. in the nucleus of a cell, there are PROTONS and neutrons. The protons decide what element it is(number thereof) and neutrons act as barriers, because as we know, positives oppose each other, and the neutrons, which have no charge, act as a buffer to keep them together(how is not known.. but it's the basis of nuclear physics and how to get energy from anything.) ELECTRONS orbit the nucleus, holding the negative charge. You got it right about DNA being made out of 4 different bases. Though.. most of our DNA is just instructions for making proteins. The part about the subatomic particles hasn't been proven on any level, and is still pure theory. The smallest entity we know of are photons, which are particles of light.. basically.. they're pure energy.

-J

[Amish Warlord]

As for evolution.. you pretty much got it. What's really scary is when you realize that you aren't what you think you are. 'you' are just a bunch of electrical impulses.. like the matrix talks about. what you think of as real.. is just what your brain interperets. Reality is an illusion. Why? because we're always living in the past. You cannot see in real time, light has to travel, and so does sound. The world around you could have already ended and you wouldn't know it yet. scary, huh? your own consciousness is not what you think it is... it doesn't exist.

-J

[Amish Warlord]

BTW.. don't feel bad about being wrong man. At least you're smarter than the president.

-J

[Xterminator27]

Originally posted by Amish Warlord
As for evolution.. you pretty much got it.  What's really scary is when you realize that you aren't what you think you are.  'you' are just a bunch of electrical impulses.. like the matrix talks about.  what you think of as real.. is just what your brain interperets.  Reality is an illusion.  Why?  because we're always living in the past.  You cannot see in real time, light has to travel, and so does sound. The world around you could have already ended and you wouldn't know it yet.  scary, huh?  your own consciousness is not what you think it is... it doesn't exist.

-J

For once i actually agree with you. U DO neevr see teh present! And teh REALLY straneg thing is, that if you somehow have a gient telocope far enough from th earth and it was somehow powerfull enough to see the land, you could avctually see something that happened liek 1 million years ago. And some f those stars in space are far away. When u actuall ysee em u just see what happend like 100 million years ago.

[Amish Warlord]

yeah.. the stars you're seeing tonight could have been gone for 100 million years.. and there's no way for you to know. craaaaaazy

-J

[Xterminator27]

Originally posted by Amish Warlord
BTW.. don't feel bad about being wrong man.  At least you're smarter than the president.

-J


Actually i did know the rest of the stuff, but i didnt really want to go to far into detail abut it.
Its odd as how an atom with 1 proton orbiting it can be hydrogen and an atom with 3 protosn can be something COMPLETLY DIFFERENT.

And yes peopel you CAN turn led into gold, infact you can "Possibly" Turn AYTHING Into Anything.

Although we must be carefull as how far we are looking into this, with all that cloning stuff and stem cell things, right now we could actually "Grow" a Brain or a human being. BUT we have no idea what that may efect or cause. We may create some super-natural being that will ultamitly kills us all off.
Also they possibly could clone dinosaurs if they put enough money and effor into it. Youve seen Jarrasic park. What happens if one of these Dinosaurs comes out differently then we thought? We have no idea what were getten ourslefes into here. It would be wise to stay out of it, BUT humans in general are stupid/
We are pouring tons of carbon Diozxide into opur atrmosphere. as soem may know carbon dioxide is what keeps us alive, because it traps in heat. We keep doing this and theres gona be WAY to much CD in our atmosphere and ice caps gona melt, oceans gona rise. whole climate cycles gona shatter.

Litle bugs die, Small creatures live off little bugs, they die, bigger creatures live off smaller creatures, they die. and we live of bigegr creatures... we die.

Also. At ANYTIME any WHERE we coudl all just Die Like That. Theres liek aLOT of astroids i out there, and all its takes is oen half-a kilometer astroid to kill us all. So what do we do about it? NOTHING. We COULD put billions of dollars into this and crate ways of saving ourselfs, but we dont. Why>? Because people are stupid! It happend to teh dinosausres its gona happen to us. Its not IF it happens its when.

Also. Our OZONE layer is being ripped apar was we speek, that layer of Ozone. Is being "Ripped" apart and large holes are breaking into it. That layer turns the suns Ultraviolent Radioactive rays into nice harmless heat rays. Teh ozones is falling apart and the sun rays cause skin caner because it basically mutates ur skin cells and makes em into caner cells. Its may be only 100 peopel ding this year, but in the next hundred years and this keeps happening......

ALSO. We are Cuttin gdown our Trees. we NEED those trees! Trees make Air! We NEED air! Yet every second we cut down 4 football fealds of trees. And for WHAT? Paper, Desks and otehr wood stuff. Our trees die, we die.

ALSO. The main one of our Supreme stupidity Is WAR. We are figjting with oursefes here. Fighting over write and wrong. Fighting over differences, Fighting over Greed. We are makeing Mass devastatin weponds like Nukes and VX gas. Right now he have enough nukes to end life on earth 8 times. yet we still maek em. IF we ever have a nuclear war its goan be liek this. HE shoots nuke, they shoot nukes. We ALL die. Shure we could blow up their side of the planet. But ultamitly that will kill US to. VX gas is a gas that is SO toxic that 10Mg (Raindrop weighs 80mg) will kill u. So 1Eights of a raindrop and ur dead. They pour this into citys and there wont be a single living thing left. Btw While were killen ourslefs some alien race thinsg gona come up and be like "oh these people are dumb... lets kill them!" Theyll shoot whatever they have, well all die THE END. Everything weve done. for NOTHING everything weve acomplished. FOR NOTHING. EVRY HISTORICAL THING, EVERY EARNIN GEVERY STRUGGLE.

FOR NOTHING>

So I say. WHY CANT WE FIX OURSLEFS!??!
I wish i could help but all we can do is wait.
The peopel with all the power are the peopel who do not care.
Right now MONEY owns the world. Our world is RUNNED by money. people kill for money, people die for money. people do Many horrible things for money. Just WHY cant We see whats REALLY happenng and SAVE OurSelfs FROM ourslefs!!

Wow that was a pritty long post. Hmm I hope oneday we will see the truth and fix teh world....but i think ill be waiting a looooong time.. In the mean time all we can do is wait, be happy and enjoy our lives as we have em!:dancing: :bounce:

[Amish Warlord]

Protons don't orbit the atom.. Proton's MAKE the atom what it is. Electrons orbit the atom.

anyway.. *skims over post*

Good points man.. i agree with you on a lot of things there. One little note to add.. the way everything is decomposing and reacting.. one day.. everything will be iron. All atoms will be iron.

-J

[Bridge of Clay]

dude...

I think you need more faith to believe in all this evolution crap than the faith needed to believe you were created by a higher form of intelligence and more powerful, which would be God himself.

The things God revealed us are enough for our salvation. Further details aren´t relevant, although He will reveal this "misteries" when we get to Heaven, where we´ll be smarter and stronger. Maybe we just don´t have the capacity to understand His acts, since human race went all downhill after sin.

[Amish Warlord]

Originally posted by N30°14'?.7 W84°
<b>dude... &nbsp;

I think you need more faith to believe in all this evolution crap than the faith needed to believe you were created by a higher form of intelligence and more powerful, which would be God himself.

The things God revealed us are enough for our salvation. Further details aren´t relevant, although He will reveal this "misteries" when we get to Heaven, where we´ll be smarter and stronger. Maybe we just don´t have the capacity to understand His acts, since human race went all downhill after sin. </b>

Which is farther fetched? That there's a magical man in the stars that has all the power in the universe, and created us. But he's so insecure, that he can't stand the thought of us not believeingin him or questioning him, so he threatens us with hell... or.. that over millions of years.... the fittest survived and moved on, while the weak perished and did not reproduced.

of course he didn't provide details.. then he could be proven wrong. Religion is nothing more than crowd control.. and very good control at that. You're made to feel guilty about things you didn't do.. you're made to fear someone you don't know, with no proof he exists, and you're made to give money to the richest entities on the planet. Sounds screwed up to me.

-J

[hotforscott]

I feel you can beleive in God without religion. Religion is a lot of what makes things tough when it comes to these topics. People disagree and perceive the bible in different ways and there set of rules outlines their religion. I attend a non-denominational church. I believe in God and feel that you should read from the bible exactly how it states. A lot of religions beleive that the woman should be silent in the church, yet they have women singing in their choir. I don't go to church as often as a should, but I think that there a lot of things taken in so many different ways from the bible that it causes a lot of chaos and a lot of hipocritical statements.

[JenRN]

Originally posted by hotforscott
I feel you can beleive in God without religion. Religion is a lot of what makes things tough when it comes to these topics. People disagree and perceive the bible in different ways and there set of rules outlines their religion. I attend a non-denominational church. I believe in God and feel that you should read from the bible exactly how it states. A lot of religions beleive that the woman should be silent in the church, yet they have women singing in their choir. I don't go to church as often as a should, but I think that there a lot of things taken in so many different ways from the bible that it causes a lot of chaos and a lot of hipocritical statements.

Holy smokes are you my long lost sister?:D I feel the same way!!!! I was raised VERY reliously confused form Catholic to Pentacostal!:eek: And I felt very torn about what I believe. Every religion has it's own "interpretations" of the bible, how do you know which one is right?

[Xterminator27]

Noone know which is write, or wrong or that if any of them are right.

For all we know We could have been created by some little kid of a super-race that has technology beyond our iaging ation. with liek a universe in can toy. we know nothing. We may be little specks of dust that some over super powerfull race is controling. We may be a game, where several ultamite races make their own planet, people, make us kill the others and see which one is strongest. also i do STRONGLY belive that their are other creaturs out there as smart or smarter than us. God mayby created millions of intellegent races, and at times goes to each one and trys to fix it. Us bing in the year of Jesus. We no nothing we cannot know anything because it is to hard to find out. We may have likved billions of lives before our own right here, but if you just dont remmeber it it would seem as it never happend. All we can do is use what we have ad learn from what we know. And so far we "know" Extremely little.

Do I belive that Jesus came? Yes
Do I belive in God? Yes, definatly
Do I belive that there is ALOT more than we know and that there are countless Things that we have no clue about? Definatly

[Steve]

Originally posted by Amish Warlord
you're made to fear someone you don't know, with no proof he exists

I don't know what religion you are talking about but the Catholic church I went to growing up as a kid never taught us to fear God. We were taught God is a loving being.

[AmishGirl]

I asked someone close to me that is a very religious person and this was her explanation in a nutshell...

She says that brothers and sisters having deformed children doesn't happen in all cases. She claims that in reality we ARE all brothers and sisters. That's why when two people (like my mother and step-father who have two autistic sons) who aren't actually related have children with disablities. My mother did nothing wrong during her pregnancies and there is nothing mentally with her...so why did her children come out with disablities? Its something no one really has an answer for. Scientists she said say that deformities happen when cromozones (or however you spell it...I'm quite sick at the moment) get crossed or something like that.

She also says no one really does have the answer to this question..but that is the explaintion that she has heard be said..since my question is a frequently asked one. So I thought I would post this.

[Read JDM]

Adam and Eve probably weren't the only family around. Just think how Cain was looked down upon by the rest of society when he was banished for killing his brother. I mean, if Adam and Eve were the only parents, what society would there be to look down upon him? To that end, these people were something of a living metaphor, and it can be argued that God was populating the Earth in several places all at once. It really sort of gives credibility to the idea that evolution fits into creationism. Who's to say that the first 7 days didn't represent 7 periods of time? They might've. Ever heard the expression "this day and age"?

[iris69]

I don't know what religion you are talking about but the Catholic church I went to growing up as a kid never taught us to fear God. We were taught God is a loving being.

you must have been born AFTER vatican II like myself. we have a totally different view of the catholic church than our parents do.

back to creation and evolution. i never understood why they have to be at odds with one another. god created the world...it's just the details that are throwing everyone into a tizzy! the creation story is so much more than just a blueprint of how it happened. it's rich in symbolism and relates all the way to the new testament with jesus being the new adam and mary being the new eve. there is so much more there than just he said this...and it was so.
i don't need to know how we got here...i'm here and i have a purpose and god loves me. and i'm supposed to learn how to love others...that's about it.

[Bridge of Clay]

Originally posted by Steve
I don't know what religion you are talking about but the Catholic church I went to growing up as a kid never taught us to fear God. We were taught God is a loving being.

nor did I, and I´m not catholic... I´ve always seen God as a loving being too.

[Bridge of Clay]

Originally posted by Read JDM
<b>Adam and Eve probably weren't the only family around. Just think how Cain was looked down upon by the rest of society when he was banished for killing his brother. I mean, if Adam and Eve were the only parents, what society would there be to look down upon him? To that end, these people were something of a living metaphor, and it can be argued that God was populating the Earth in several places all at once. It really sort of gives credibility to the idea that evolution fits into creationism. Who's to say that the first 7 days didn't represent 7 periods of time? They might've. Ever heard the expression "this day and age"? </b>

Adam and Eve had a lot more children than just Cain and Abel. They had boys and girls, who had boys and girls, who had more boys and more girls...

[AmishGirl]

Originally posted by N30°14'?.7 W84°
Adam and Eve had a lot more children than just Cain and Abel. They had boys and girls, who had boys and girls, who had more boys and more girls...

Which is the entire point of this thread? If they could do it then...or if it truly ever did happen..why is it forbidden now?

[Bridge of Clay]

why?
coz the intention of they doing was to populate Earth...now Earth is way over populated...that´s why...