Sick Of IT?

[EvenStream]

Anyone else sick of people giving Stapp a hard time now, but when he was in Creed they said he was God?, I don't mind the ones who say they won't like his solo stuff because if your do ya do and if ya don't ya don't but to badmouth his look and stuff like that now Creed's over just SUCKS!

:shoot: :killtard:

[Bridge of Clay]

yeah, that's bs. I agree with you.

[Agent D]

Ditto. I am tired of Stapp bashing. Of course, some actual news would be nice as well.

[titan9]

I'm sick of it, but I'm also used to seeing Stapp bashed. It's been happening since Creed got big. It doesn't change my opinion of him, though. I agree with you, it's wrong how people have just turned on him since he went solo and the break up happened.

[Mr.CreedFreakTN]

I know I'm going to get bashed for this, so here goes if Mark wrote the majority of Creed's songs, then how come Scott can get away singing them on tv or radio interviews?

[Agent D]

I know I'm going to get bashed for this, so here goes if Mark wrote the majority of Creed's songs, then how come Scott can get away singing them on tv or radio interviews?

Because they shared the credit and now there's nothing to do about it. Besides, no one knows for a fact that Mark wrote the majority of the songs. Hell, the very word majority may mean something different for everyone.

[Dogstar]

Good Lord, don't we have ENOUGH threads on this already? :rolleyes:

[aussiecreeder]

well i think many of us spent time defending the man and those same people have now had their eyes opened and some of them really don't like the man at all anymore. is it a bit overblown? perhaps so...it it surprising? no

[bobben]

Go Scott!! :stappchic

[Agent D]

Good Lord, don't we have ENOUGH threads on this already? :rolleyes:

I'd have to agree, Dogstar. Pity there isn't really anything else to talk about in this forum.

[titan9]

Well, if Wind Up would ever get off their fat butts and give us some updates on Stapp's site, perhaps we'd have something else to talk about? Seriously though, his site has said "full site coming soon" since like July. When is that full site gonna be made? It didn't take'em this long to give Alter Bridge a full site. Even I could get a full site up in about three days. So what's taking'em so long? If his album is supposed to come out in February/March(that's what he was saying in interviews) then where are the updates about how it's going? Where are the audio clips? I'm beginning to get impatient.:D

[Ann Allusion]

i think many of us spent time defending the man and those same people have now had their eyes opened and some of them really don't like the man at all anymore.

and i have to take this comment as speaking for yourself...because there are still those of us that believe that stapp has a lot more to offer and we haven't decided he is some kind of "persona non grata" that deserves to be treated like many of the former Creed fans have chosen to.

i believe he has so much more to offer than people are giving him credit for.

[fly1853]

Maybe things would move along quicker if he didn't have to worry about what people thought about him all the time (bashers and fans alike). He knows what people are saying about him and probably has to work harder than the other guys, who didn't start out with an asshole reputation.

[Steve]

Irregardless of what you say or think, there's a reason Stapp has the persona he does. I'm not saying Stapp is a good or bad person, but everything the media has shown regarding Stapp has been negative - his divorce, bar fights, Creed and his ego, etc. That's the reason he's got the persona he does.

[fly1853]

Agreed Steve, but you know, he's not all bad and he's not all good. What do you think the reason is that Creed actually made it to the 10 year mark? Everybody's concentrating on why they broke up, but why they stuck it out for as long as they have with Stapp "being the way he is", nobody seems to want to hear. If he was such an ass, why didn't they call it right from the start and tell him "to hell with you"?

[titan9]

Agreed Steve, but you know, he's not all bad and he's not all good. What do you think the reason is that Creed actually made it to the 10 year mark? Everybody's concentrating on why they broke up, but why they stuck it out for as long as they have with Stapp "being the way he is", nobody seems to want to hear. If he was such an ass, why didn't they call it right from the start and tell him "to hell with you"?

I agree with what you're saying, Fly. I don't think Stapp is as bad as everyone makes him out to be.

[fly1853]

I just think when he's in a good state he can charm the pants right off of anyone, and when he's in an asshole mode he can be a real asshole. Makes him not much different from most of us. It's just a lot easier to remember the bad times than it is the good times. With this solo career he's been given another chance. What he makes out of it is entirely in his hands, musically and persona vise. I know he can turn it around, if he only wants to.

[Agent D]

I think for a lot of the people around here, it came as a crushing blow to hear such negative things from Flip and Tremo as opposed to the media. Because honestly, how many of us believed the things we heard on TV about Scott? They blow everything out of proportion but when his own bandmates begin talking about what a prick he is, I started to get worried. But whatever, it's about music and I still love Scott as well as Alter Bridge.

[titan9]

But whatever, it's about music and I still love Scott as well as Alter Bridge.

^^And that's exactly how it should be. Worship the music, not the guy who creates it. We don't know Stapp personally. We only know him musically. I think you gotta draw the line. I think Stapp's awesome musically, but I don't know how he is personally and thus, I can't say he's an angel in real life. No one on this board can because none of us know him personally. Just like we can't say Tremonti, Philips and Marshall are angels in real life,(outside of music) either. And I agree about the media blowing things out of proportion. I'm used to that happening.

[creedsister]

I think for a lot of the people around here, it came as a crushing blow to hear such negative things from Flip and Tremo as opposed to the media. Because honestly, how many of us believed the things we heard on TV about Scott? They blow everything out of proportion but when his own bandmates begin talking about what a prick he is, I started to get worried. But whatever, it's about music and I still love Scott as well as Alter Bridge.
i agree :D but i want your avi its way coooooooooooooooooooooooooool

[RockGoddess]

I just think when he's in a good state he can charm the pants right off of anyone, and when he's in an asshole mode he can be a real asshole. Makes him not much different from most of us. It's just a lot easier to remember the bad times than it is the good times. With this solo career he's been given another chance. What he makes out of it is entirely in his hands, musically and persona vise. I know he can turn it around, if he only wants to.

Very well said.

[fly1853]

Thanks Alicia

Who's to say he doesn't read here or has friends on different boards? I'm sure most of the bashers even count on it. Why say negative stuff about him if he never finds out about it, right? And maybe those friends have tried to tell people that he's really not so bad, but left because who's gonna believe them anyway? It's much easier to love a good guy than to even like a person with whom you never know what you get from one minute to another. Accepting just that is the secret to a real friendship, as hard as it is. And now I'm totally off topic..sorry :rolleyes:

[Agent D]

i agree :D but i want your avi its way coooooooooooooooooooooooooool

lol thanks

[fly1853]

..and it doesn't freak me out one bit :D

[Ann Allusion]

Who's to say he doesn't read here or has friends on different boards? I'm sure most of the bashers even count on it. Why say negative stuff about him if he never finds out about it, right? And maybe those friends have tried to tell people that he's really not so bad, but left because who's gonna believe them anyway? It's much easier to love a good guy than to even like a person with whom you never know what you get from one minute to another. Accepting just that is the secret to a real friendship, as hard as it is. And now I'm totally off topic..sorry :rolleyes:

Fly...you are not off topic by saying that acceptance of someone for who they are in both good and bad times makes a friendship...that is part
of any friendship worth it's salt...i agree with that wholeheartedly. Yet a friend would not air "dirty laundry" on a public message board, they would have more respect.

They would however be there in good conscience, to support him, and when he was being a butthead, a friend would tell him, but not in the public arena, or they would hold their silence until such time as they could tell him face to face.

I agree that anyone who knew/knows him, probably has gotten fed up with the negativity and probably post very little if at all...but yeah, odds are they do read...

What gets me is as you say, where he goes with his solo career is up to him, the choices he makes are his and at at the end of the day isn't that where where it should be left...and yet so many on the BB circut seem to feel they know him better than he knows himself, that he should be doing "this" and has no right to do "that"...

since i have been around it has always been this way, sadly...he's been bashed, trashed, lifted up and lowered down, cussed out and praised..and sometimes in the same breath (post)...then there have also been the occasional "thank you's", too...sincere or otherwise...yet he continued to sing with the passion and feeling that made him so special to many and disliked by others.

i'll leave this post with a few lines from two of Creeds songs...Weathered and Bullets...always liked what they said...

Weathered

Believe what you will
That is your right
But I choose to win
I choose to fight

Bullets

Said why...Why do we live our life
With all this hate inside
I'll give it away
'Cause I don't want it no more

[fly1853]

Ann, I don't want to take anything away from your post, because I do agree as far as friendship goes, and the way things were handled after the break up.
Who really knows how much shit it took for Tremonti and Phillips to take before they walked away? How much anger and frustration they had in themselves to actually make statements as such toward fans and the press. And the reason Stapp turned away instead of talking to the guys? Was he as hurt as everybody at the mess they ALL created? How many promises to each other had been broken before they blew it all to hell?

The fans really were put in a horrible position to have to chose, and nobody on any message board can tell me that as long as they're still participating in conversations like this one, "it's all about the music". It's about fallen "heroes".

[HigherGirl]

Anyone else sick of people giving Stapp a hard time now, but when he was in Creed they said he was God?, I don't mind the ones who say they won't like his solo stuff because if your do ya do and if ya don't ya don't but to badmouth his look and stuff like that now Creed's over just SUCKS!

:shoot: :killtard:

I LOVE Scott and always will!!!! He is still awesome and he has a great voice I will always LOVE Creed wheather they are together or NOT!!! :D

[Disillusioned]

Who really knows how much shit it took for Tremonti and Phillips to take before they walked away? How much anger and frustration they had in themselves to actually make statements as such toward fans and the press. And the reason Stapp turned away instead of talking to the guys? Was he as hurt as everybody at the mess they ALL created? How many promises to each other had been broken before they blew it all to hell?

:bow2: *ding, ding, ding* we have a winner...I think you hit the nail on the head!

[fly1853]

Still, it doesn't make it right to air your privat beef with someone on the internet and turn as many people as possible against your former friend/bandmate. If we all did this just to make ourselves look better, who'd be left to trust us?

Some people call Stapp delusional for not acknowledging what's been said, but maybe he's just respecting what they had together and in turn their fans. If this doesn't mean shit to the band members, it sure means a lot to me as a Creed fan.

[Scotts Angel]

I have to agree fly. I think Scott does not want to bash his friends/former bandmates. I don't think he wants to burn anymore bridges between them, especially if there is ever a chance they can put thier differences aside and come together even as friends, and/or a band in the future.

I don't think it's fair for any of us to bash ANY OF THE MEMBERS OF CREED, as we have not been there behind the scenes all these years. I also think sometimes fans start bashing certain members, as a way to deal with what has happened. We know everyone likes to have someone to blame, and since the finger has been pointed at Scott, and we have not heard much from Scott, it's easy for some people to do. I am just as anxious (very impatiently I might say), as anyone to see what is happening with Scott's future career!

Eagerly waiting,

Scotts Angel

[titan9]

Yup, I'm awaiting Scott's solo efforts, too. I just wish we'd get more news on it. Like, is it coming out in March like he's said in the past? I'd like to know when to expect the CD.

[Agent D]

I'm beginning to think that Scott's album is going to go to the same place GNR's Chinese Democracy went--limbo.

[Ann Allusion]

Oh ye of little faith... :D

[Dogstar]

I hope not, Agent D.

[DekWannaBFlea]

Ill be honest, I don't really care if scott comes out with solo stuff, i am so immersed in so much other music, i doubt i will have time.

[Agent D]

Oh ye of little faith... :D

I know, I know, I'm just drowning here. We haven't seen him do much of anything except some interviews and performing Higher with shitty backing bands lol.

[titan9]

I'm anxious to hear his stuff, too. But I'm being about as patient as I can be. I believe we'll eventually hear it, I'm just not sure when. I admit, it's tough hearing all this negative stuff(like Teaparty not working with him anymore) and trying to remain positive, but I'm optimistic that when he does release the solo album, it'll be good.

[Ana4Stapp]

since i have been around it has always been this way, sadly...he's been bashed, trashed, lifted up and lowered down, cussed out and praised..and sometimes in the same breath (post)...then there have also been the occasional "thank you's", too...sincere or otherwise...yet he continued to sing with the passion and feeling that made him so special to many and disliked by others.
You' re right!!!!!! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :stapp:

[RMadd]

Besides, no one knows for a fact that Mark wrote the majority of the songs. Hell, the very word majority may mean something different for everyone.
i'm not here to bash scott, but i thought it was common knowledge that mark wrote the music (i.e. notes for guitar, bass, etc.) & scott provided the lyrics. at least that's the impression i'm under. and you make a good point by stating they co-wrote. if you look in the credits or whatever you call 'em, "Stapp/Tremonti" is listed as the writer. so i guess either of them would be able to use the songs if they so desired.
but, as far as the definition of majority, i always thought that, to most people anyway, a majority is defined as 50% + 1 (or more). now, i know there's different types of majorities, but when someone uses the term "majority" without clarifying, it's generally understood that they mean at least half plus one extra person (or whatever is being quantified).

[titan9]

I've always believed that Mark wrote just about all of the music and that Stapp wrote the lyrics.

[uncertaindrumer]

I have ALWAYS bashed Stapp. Maybe you don't like it but a least I'm not a hypocrite! lol

[fluttergirl]

dude dead thread
and thats going to go over REAL well here
be mature at least

[uncertaindrumer]

First of all how could it be dead? It was only like the fith or sixth listed. Second, the question was "are you sick of people turning on Stapp" or at least, close enough. I am just expressing the viewpoint that plenty of people--myself included--never particularly liked him, it isn't like we are changing all of the sudden.

There was nothing immature about my post at all.

[Trimontana]

I have ALWAYS bashed Stapp. Maybe you don't like it but a least I'm not a hypocrite! lol


WWWWOOOWWWWW...........i think the same way than you.

[fluttergirl]

First of all how could it be dead? It was only like the fith or sixth listed. Second, the question was "are you sick of people turning on Stapp" or at least, close enough. I am just expressing the viewpoint that plenty of people--myself included--never particularly liked him, it isn't like we are changing all of the sudden.

There was nothing immature about my post at all.
youre fairly new, maybe this was just a fluke
at the time this thread was started, there was nothing but 'Stapp bashing' going on, that has finally died down, the six or seven threads that it had totally ruined were finally gone, and this was in the Stapp forum, going to the stapp forum just to post that you have always bashed him is immature.

[titan9]

youre fairly new, maybe this was just a fluke
at the time this thread was started, there was nothing but 'Stapp bashing' going on, that has finally died down, the six or seven threads that it had totally ruined were finally gone, and this was in the Stapp forum, going to the stapp forum just to post that you have always bashed him is immature.

Yup, I agree. I honestly wish that those who dislike Stapp(both his music and him as a person, though that shouldn't come into the equation when discussing him as a musician) would stay out of Stapp's forum. Let's keep the Stapp bashing out of a forum dedicated to Stapp. It leads to less fights/arguments here.

[uncertaindrumer]

youre fairly new, maybe this was just a fluke
at the time this thread was started, there was nothing but 'Stapp bashing' going on, that has finally died down, the six or seven threads that it had totally ruined were finally gone, and this was in the Stapp forum, going to the stapp forum just to post that you have always bashed him is immature.

I don't think so, but fine. I wasn't "bashing" him, I was saying that not all of us who dislike Stapp just started once the breakup has occured. I was only contributing what I think is a valid point. The notion that everyone only started bashing Stapp after Creed broke up is false, that's what I was saying. I didn't come in here saying he is an egotistical maniac, or that his lyrics suck, or that his solo career is pitiful or anything like that. If you think I am bashing Stapp venture out into ANY musicians forum on the web and you will see REALY Stapp bashing. I was only presenting my opinion.

And I didn't just venture on here to announce to the world that I have always disliked Scott. I thought there might be a few thigns to talk about since I actually don't particulary mind his voice and I thought *some* of his lyrics were decent though not most. Just because I'm not his biggest fan doesn't mean I should never enter a Scott Stapp forum. Esepcially on a board as small as this.

[fluttergirl]

just because you can doesnt mean you should
it just stirs the pot, and im sick of that particular one being stirred, ive had my fill.
i was in no way defending stapp, nor do i want to get into that with you. this thread was dead, you brought it back up, i posted as much.
if you like the other boards, there you go.

[Ana4Stapp]

Yup, I agree. I honestly wish that those who dislike Stapp(both his music and him as a person, though that shouldn't come into the equation when discussing him as a musician) would stay out of Stapp's forum. Let's keep the Stapp bashing out of a forum dedicated to Stapp. It leads to less fights/arguments here.
:clap: :clap: :clap: Go on Stapp !!!!:stappchic

[OneOmerta]

just because you can doesnt mean you should
it just stirs the pot, and im sick of that particular one being stirred, ive had my fill.
i was in no way defending stapp, nor do i want to get into that with you. this thread was dead, you brought it back up, i posted as much.
if you like the other boards, there you go.


who gives a crap if someone came in here and bumped this thread up that "you" considered dead. Perhaps they had something they wanted to post and they don't come here often? I mean..should we all just start clearing our "possible posts" with you beforehand Amber? If you have had your fill of the pot being stirred in this forum...then why are you clicking on this thread then? :wtf: If it upsets you...then I imagine your old enough to just refrain from clicking no? ;)

Yep..tired of the bashing..and tired of people who like to order others around on a message board, where the whole point of having said message board is to post opinions....dead ones or not. I may not agree with his opinions...but the dude has a right to post it 6 months from now if he so chooses.

HELLOOOO...message board..that's what it's here for :rolleyes:

[fluttergirl]

hey, one omerta, before you starting handing out your little speels of advice, try going back and actually reading, i mean, geez, thats what a message board is for..... :rolleyes:
i never told him not to post here
nor did i tell him he couldnt
i believe, oh wait here, allow me to quote my self
dude dead thread
hmmmmmmm
looks to me like a statement. which is what it was intended as, if it was popping up new to him, well, dandy, it was old to the rest of us, and my sharing of my opinions is no different than the sharing of his, im not telling him not to, if he wants to start a new thread to do so, then by god, go for it. its common knowledge that most members find it irritating when old dead threads are brought up gain, especially ones as inflammatory as this one.
plus, i just dont know what your deal is, you act like ive ran over your dog or something, and this is the first post i have ever made in relation to you, why are you all over my case about something that had nothing to do with you in the first place?
now, this may be hard for you to understand, but by telling him that, i wasnt bumping up the thread, but trying to start to cut off some of the crap before it started
and no, you dont have to clear anything with me first, im a member here, although i dont like to see fighting on the board, it makes it harder to come here, im sorry if thats all you get out of this place, but i think of a lot of people on here as my friends...anyways, im just like anyone else, if you want to go out and make retarded posts without reading what other people have said, feel free, looks like youre well on your way.

[OneOmerta]

hey, one omerta, before you starting handing out your little speels of advice, try going back and actually reading, i mean, geez, thats what a message board is for..... :rolleyes:
i never told him not to post here
nor did i tell him he couldnt
i believe, oh wait here, allow me to quote my self

if your going to quote yourself...you can at least include the part where you told him he shouldn't have bumped it up :rolleyes: here...I'll do it for ya

Quote: (Originally Posted by fluttergirl) just because you can doesnt mean you should
it just stirs the pot, and im sick of that particular one being stirred, ive had my fill


hmmmmmmm
looks to me like a statement. which is what it was intended as, if it was popping up new to him, well, dandy, it was old to the rest of us, and my sharing of my opinions is no different than the sharing of his, im not telling him not to, if he wants to start a new thread to do so, then by god, go for it.

looks to me like you told him he could....but he shouldn't have, because you've had your fill. Sounds to me like you told him what to do ;)

its common knowledge that most members find it irritating when old dead threads are brought up gain, especially ones as inflammatory as this one.

I agree....most members do, and I'm no exception...however one thing that irks me the most after all these years on these message boards...is other people deciding who should or shouldn't post to what. If the thread wasn't to be commented on...then by god it should have been deleted if it was such a problem for the 2 people that even bother to come here to this forum anymore LOL!

plus, i just dont know what your deal is, you act like ive ran over your dog or something, and this is the first post i have ever made in relation to you, why are you all over my case about something that had nothing to do with you in the first place?

my dog is fine, thanks...and hmmm **looks around**...no deal here. Just commenting and sharing my opinions....as you are. Nothing said on a message board riles me up enough to make it a "deal". I just shared my opinion like everyone else does here.

now, this may be hard for you to understand, but by telling him that, i wasnt bumping up the thread, but trying to start to cut off some of the crap before it started

I'm not 2...likely I'm old enough to be your mother lol...so no problem understanding here.

im sorry if thats all you get out of this place, but i think of a lot of people on here as my friends...anyways, im just like anyone else, if you want to go out and make retarded posts without reading what other people have said, feel free, looks like youre well on your way.

I guess I don't go to most bb's to form lasting friendships..but rather to interact in conversations that are posted. Sure...I've made my share of online friends thru the years since Creednet...some of them I'm rather close to...but what I get out of any bb...is conversation, and to share opinions on things that I'm interested in. Nothing more...nothing less. I've been a member on this board for at least a year....give or take....and I've rarely posted unless it's something I feel I want to say. If it makes you feel better to call my posts retarded (which btw..is an offensive term in itself) then go right ahead. But know that I DO read before I post. In fact...most of the time at all the bb's I go to...reading is all I do.

Now...thanks for letting me share my opinion in this thread :cool:

[uncertaindrumer]

Its hard to tell when a thread is dead or not on this forum. There are VERY few posts on this board per day. I have sometimes seen days go by before a new post is put on a WHOLE BOARD. I don't see how one can tell what a dead thread is on here. On most message boards, a thread that hasn't been posted in for a whole day is dead by a LONG shot, but such is not the case on this board because it is tiny. Hence, how can a topic be dead when it is only six or seven down from the top?

And once again, I NEVER bashed Stapp in this topic. I merely stated that in the past I have and in the future I will, and that I have not suddenly changed since the breakup of Creed. I NEVER liked him, but I wasn't emphasizing WHY I don't, I was just emphasizing the fact that I NEVER have, and hence, I am not one who jsut suddenly started verbally abusing him as soon as Creed broke up.

And fluttergirl, you say you are sick of topics like this? Than why on freaking earth are you POSTING in one, huh?

[fluttergirl]

1, this is hardly about stapp anymore, it you two being mature little people by posting those awesomely cool little zingers that go straight to me, and, oh, just hurt so bad....
so no, by posting anything, im not stirring anything up or making anything worse. posting in a thread doesnt mean you are posting about a thread
2you can try and draw whatever you want to from what i have said
doesnt change that i didnt say that
just because you can do things, doesnt mean you should. i could kill a person, but i dont. me posting that i dont like it is my opinion, not a statement of what he should do. if i the presumptions to knowing him enough to actually think i could tell him he shouldnt do something, then i will, i havent told anyone what to do, period.
steve only deletes threads that have becume problems, not the ones you deign should be deleted. whos being presumptuous now?
3 yes, there was a deal, you came out of nowhere and attacked me for posting my opinion, and then try to twist what im saying to make it sound like im denying another person of their opinion. if you took offense to my statement, you shouldnt have
your age is irrelevant, this isnt 'whos going to need botox first', this is a message board. knowledge does not comethrough age, but stubborness seems to....
and like i said, and now youre referencing to be an ass i guess, you dont have to clear anything with anyone. its a board.
uncertaindrummer, the # from the top isnt a good source, erhaps the dates would be a better thing to look to.
if youre referencing why the stapp forum hasnt had any activity, its because his cd hasnt come out, and theres nothing eles outstanding for him to do, pretty much all the stapp fans are just waiting right now.
as for the whole forum, theres usually 2-3 pages when i havent been here in a day or two.
again, reinterating, i was posting in an attempt to keep crap from being stirred. apparently, that was out of line of me.
how i dare i give a shit about people on this board, youre right.
ill just stay out of here. you two kids have fun talking more smack, i hope someday youll grow and up and get over it.

[Agent D]

Fluttergirl, you rock. :jam:

[Dogstar]

If this thread continues in this fashion, it will get locked. It seems to be going nowhere.

[fluttergirl]

please do
i dont mean that in a smart ass way
i dont think anything else will come of it

[OneOmerta]

you can try and draw whatever you want to from what i have said
doesnt change that i didnt say that

i havent told anyone what to do, period.

ahhh, but you did...and I quoted you...period

steve only deletes threads that have becume problems, not the ones you deign should be deleted. whos being presumptuous now?

Did I ASK for the thread to be deleted? I think you might want to take your own advise...and READ the posts before making a "deal" out of it. I'll repeat it for you since you didn't get it the first time. What I said was, if the thread wasn't to be commented on anymore...then by god it should have been deleted then. While it may annoy you and lots of us when people bump up dead topics....it's a FREE Country and their right to bump it if they have something to say...even if what they say isn't agreeable to everyone.

3 yes, there was a deal, you came out of nowhere and attacked me for posting my opinion, and then try to twist what im saying to make it sound like im denying another person of their opinion. if you took offense to my statement, you shouldnt have

I came out of nowhere? LOL...sorry...but am I a ghost? FYI...I don't spend much time on the bb's because, well, I'm just too busy to spend alot of time at the various boards that interest me. When I have the time to make the rounds...I do.

your age is irrelevant, this isnt 'whos going to need botox first', this is a message board. knowledge does not comethrough age, but stubborness seems to....

you spoke to me like I was a child, and I was letting you know otherwise. Since your making snide remarks about botox...(which I assure you...I would never get botox...nor do I need it LOL) in an attempt to make me feel old, let me point out snidely that your spelling and grammer needs some improvement.

You made a big deal out of someone bumping this thread...yet you continued to bump it yourself by posting to it as well. I posted an opinion about that fact...get over it. If your offended by my opinion on that...then you need to step away from the computer and not take this so seriously. I know I don't.

Lock the thread...seems to be the norm these days anyway.

[Dogstar]

Ok, enough of this. Closing...