Concerning Mark's role lyrically with Creed...

[Disillusioned]

Some new information has surfaced and being that I gravitate toward the controversial, I'm reposting it here. This came from marktremonti.net http://www.marktremonti.net/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=1;t=373
Also, some new info. concerning singles from ODR and album #2

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Ok...I get to the show early and i walk in to see mark on stage sound checking...I walk up to these guys who happen to be Tremonti1.01 and Michael...we introduce ourselves and continue to watch the guys sound check

then we were ushered to another room to wait for the guys to come out and get autographs...well when that happens and we all talk to mark...he says that we (the guys from tremonti.net) can all come with him...so we go back into the concert hall and we're told by Mike Tremonti to wait and Mark will come back out in a bit. So we do.

THIS IS THE CRAZY PART. Mark comes out about 15 minutes later and asks us to go get something to eat with him! so we all end up walking down the streets of tulsa looking for a resturaunt! We end up at a Mexican place and we continue to spend the next hour and a half eating with Mark Tremonti and his beautiful wife! I'm too fucking overwhelmed to eat, but i did manage to ask a ton of questions, along with Tremonti1.01 and Michael...some things i can't share with you but here's a few things you may want to know:

The next single will of course be Find the Real but there will not be a music video for it. After that the single will be Broken Wings and then In Loving Memory. The next CD will not have ballad songs on it like this so this is why he is releasing those.

Although Mark's tapes of his songs got stolen, he managed to rerecord it from memory and says that the songs are even better now.

Mark can not get guitars from PRS, and yes he does hate Gibson now..with a passion.

The craziest thing a fan has ever done at a show was when a girl started feeling him and Myles up on stage. Mark said she was standing right in front of his favorite place to stand when he plays and it sucked because he couldn't go over there anymore.

Mark wrote 99% percent of all Creed songs,melody, lyrics, all of them. he says Scott wrote with arms wide open and that's about it.

The song that he wishes he would have never wrote was "don't stop dancing" and that's because he didn't like the way Scott sang it.

I can't really say some things but I'll just say I was shocked to hear some stories that Mark had to tell, I just don't want to stab him in the back and put it on the internet.

Theres so much more I'm leaving out but I'll let Michael or Tremonti1.01 tell you, I don't want to hog all of this crazy info.

But after we were done eating we walked back and mark had to jump a fence to go backstage to avoid walking into the crowds of fans and being mobbed... Tremonti1.01 and Michael are great guys and it was good to meet them, this was of course, the highlight of my weekend, year, and life. I'll post a pic when I get around to it.

[DekWannaBFlea]

Dammit......I went to the dam tulsa concert......I knew i should have gotten there earlier. O well.

[heinzel]

nice dude. need more info, lol.

[Higher_Desire]

Mark wrote 99% percent of all Creed songs,melody, lyrics, all of them. he says Scott wrote with arms wide open and that's about it.

The song that he wishes he would have never wrote was "don't stop dancing" and that's because he didn't like the way Scott sang it.

I can't really say some things but I'll just say I was shocked to hear some stories that Mark had to tell, I just don't want to stab him in the back and put it on the internet.

Theres so much more I'm leaving out but I'll let Michael or Tremonti1.01 tell you, I don't want to hog all of this crazy info.
HOLY CRAP!!! :eek: Why have stories like that never been told before?!?!

Thanks for sharing that. I hope that dude posts more about what Mark said.


H-D :pimp:

[AndrewFromABRox]

Dude that's stuff i only dreams about!! How cool is that that a famous guitar player in a famus band would invite people he doesnt' know to go eat with him, and answer so many questions@!!

[ctfan]

Some new information has surfaced and being that I gravitate toward the controversial, I'm reposting it here. This came from marktremonti.net http://www.marktremonti.net/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=1;t=373
Also, some new info. concerning singles from ODR and album #2

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I'm too fucking overwhelmed to eat, but i did manage to ask a ton of questions, along with Tremonti1.01 and Michael...some things i can't share with you but here's a few things you may want to know:


Mark wrote 99% percent of all Creed songs,melody, lyrics, all of them. he says Scott wrote with arms wide open and that's about it.

OH GOD, That is too freakin hilarious!!!! Mark did all that??? LMFAO!!!!!!! Why he's a, he's a one man band!!!!

[Ann Allusion]

OH GOD, That is too freakin hilarious!!!! Mark did all that??? LMFAO!!!!!!! Why he's a, he's a one man band!!!!

:laugh:...Ain't that the truth...!!! Why i bet the next thing that we find out is that stapp really didn't even sing the songs...that it was Mark too, and all stapp did was lip sync to Tremonti's pre-recorded vocals...

ETA:

Mark wrote 99% percent of all Creed songs,melody, lyrics, all of them. he says Scott wrote with arms wide open and that's about it.

i'm sure that Mark contributed...but this just seems a bit out of perspective...

man...<shakes head and walks out of thread>

[OneOmerta]

Why he's a, he's a one man band!!!!

LMFAOOOOO! that was funny ctfan :D





:laugh:...Ain't that the truth...!!! Why i bet the next thing that we find out is that stapp really didn't even sing the songs...that it was Mark too, and all stapp did was lip sync to Tremonti's pre-recorded vocals...

hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.....oh my....funny!!!!!!!

[Trimontana]

Mark is a great guy!!!!!!! I really believe what he said, those kind of things are the ones he couldn't say when he was in Creed. He is a talented guy and i bet that the Stapp's stuff is true.
Mark is a autenthic and genuine person, he deserves all the best with AB.

:D

[SaveMe]

Man i have got to met Mark... i thought i saw him at the mall once but i didn't follow the guy and i should of....anyways strangely enough i believe that Maek did right all those songs and i think Mark should have sang them to. Anyways anyone whose able to get ahold of Mike or Mark let them know MARK NEEDS TO COME HOME!!!!!!!! :D Thanks

[Ann Allusion]

Mark wrote 99% percent of all Creed songs,melody, lyrics, all of them. he says Scott wrote with arms wide open and that's about it.

Disillusioned...i believe if you had researched the site you got this information from...you would realize that the comment above might not have been what was REALLY said.

Marks words were, "scott would say...umm...change that word in the bridge to so and so"

the above words were more than likely what was said (also posted by the same person eating with Mark, that evening), and then he chose to embellish it with his own assumptions...the percentages changed from 90% to 99%...from one post to the other.

From the second quote, it appears that it was a PARTNERSHIP, not ALL Mark lyrically involved in the process.

I must admit, that AB's lyrics are a far cry from the flowing lyrics written by Stapp for Creed.

[Bridge of Clay]

yeah, I know Mark wrote all of Hide, then Stapp changed the lyrics... but Michael didn't know how much of the original was left, just that it was supposed to be a love song...

[fluttergirl]

Well, you know what?
Let's write down every note played by Creed, then every lyric written by Creed, and add them all together, and make this as perfectly fair as possible. I sincerely doubt that Mark literally meant 99%, there wasnt even a decimal after it.
Basic point-he wrote the majority. That 9 % oor whatever really doesnt matter to me.

[Disillusioned]

Basic point-he wrote the majority.

Exactly. When I posted this thread it was 1:59 AM my time and to be honest, since I had previously believed that Stapp was the primary Creed lyricist, when I came across this review I was floored! Prior to posting this I had not "researched" it for accuracy, but my reason for posting it was for the purpose of discussion and feedback...it was not my intention to pass it off as something Mark said verbatim.

This afternoon however, I took the time to go through the mt.net board reading various threads to see if I could come up with a more complete scenario of what went down over dinner in Tulsa.

Mark and his wife didn't have dinner with just this one person...more like a total of approx. 10 people were at the table, meaning several people were privy to this conversation which included Micheal Joiner (the site owner/administrator of marktremonti.net), who I believe to have credibility. Because of his credibility and out of respect for Mark, if it hadn't been for the fan who "tagged along" for dinner and then dished-out a few details on the message board, I think that even fewer details would have surfaced from that night.

Do I take verbatim as coming from Mark what this fan said? No. But I believe that as the conversation went down, it was revealed that Creed, lyrically, was more Mark than what had previously been presumed by many...to the point of it being understood that apart from WAWO, the "partnership" amounted to small contributions from Stapp.

[Wylde-Tremonti]

The next CD will not have ballad songs on it like this so this is why he is releasing those.

SWEET... that means they'll probably go for a more SevenDust/Metallica sound!!!! :D

[The Lithium]

The next single will of course be Find the Real but there will not be a music video for it. After that the single will be Broken Wings and then In Loving Memory. The next CD will not have ballad songs on it like this so this is why he is releasing those.
Well, I don't know what to believe about that anymore

[aussiecreeder]

its being stated often that stapp wrote most of the lyrics and weathered lists stapp as vocals/lyrics. its clear that mark wrote quite a bit of the lyrics for creed but stapp was the main lyricist i've always thought.

[aussiecreeder]

i don't mind having the odd ballad although perhaps ODR has a few too many. creed's audience is probably going to get polarised with the very different directions the two camps are heading towards.

[Trees of Wisdom]

Well, I don't know what to believe about that anymore

That concert was a while ago and that's what Michael and Mark had thought were going to be the next singles.

[SaveMe]

Im sorry about all those typos... it was my b-day and i was tired.

[BobbyMcGee]

Is totally LMFAO at this thread. Mark wrote 99% of Creed's lyrics umm yeah and pigs fly!

Just for comparison look at Creeds lyrics and A/B lyrics no comparison.

Is still LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!
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[fluttergirl]

Looking...seeing....
why are you laughing?
What is your point?
Was there a point?

[Xterminator27]

Blah, one day remains / shed my skin / watch your words should all be singles.

In loving memory?? Thats my most dis-liked song of the entire CD, and its not because its slow, With Arms Wide Open is one of my favorite songs in the world.

heh 99%, but really when it comes down to it, i dont really give a shit. As long as mark keeps making me music, I will give him my money. :D

[Xterminator27]

Is totally LMFAO at this thread. Mark wrote 99% of Creed's lyrics umm yeah and pigs fly!

Just for comparison look at Creeds lyrics and A/B lyrics no comparison.

Is still LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!

Denial is the first step

[aussiecreeder]

mark did write some of creed's lyrics and perhaps he wrote 50% of them but the best songs had scott's lyrics. is this the end is but the first example....

[OneOmerta]

mark did write some of creed's lyrics and perhaps he wrote 50% of them but the best songs had scott's lyrics. is this the end is but the first example....


I agree. There is no doubt that Mark did indeed write some of Creed's lyrics....but 99%? LOL....no, I don't think so. This whole "who wrote what" bullshit has been going on for YEARS...even back on Creednet. There have been posts made by Michael Tremonti himself...saying that on MOP, STAPP wrote 90% of the album.
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From Guitar One 12/98:

GO: Did you write any of the vocal melodies or lyrics on My Own Prison?

Mark: I wrote the lyrics to "Torn" and alot of "Whats this life for." I wrote some lyrics for "My Own Prison" and "Pity for a dime" I ususally sit down and write a guitar line and hum a little melody. What Scotts's real good at is songs like "Unforgiven". I could never write a melody over that choppy verse. He is good at doing the choppy stuff like "Big Sister" (typo on the writers part?) and "Unforgiven". I'm the chorus man, he's the bridge-and-verse guy.
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From Michael Tremonti posted on one of the bb's (not sure which one..I think it was PIT):

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On the MOP album? The first verse and chorus for Whats This Life For. Chorus for Pity For a Dime. Chorus for My Own Prison(the part he sings). I think thats about it on that cd. Scott handled 90% of the lyrics on that cd. Until recently Mark was more of the melody guy than a lyricist.

Michael


Quote:
Some, Mark had no lyrics or melody ideas only music. An example would be Bullets. Mark had the music but no lyrics and had no idea how the song should be sung so Scott did all of that.
Well we were just talking lyrics so on Pity all Mark wrote was "sell my pity for a dime, just one dime." The only reason I even know that was because before Creed started Mark had that song and sang that part all the damn time and hummed the rest of it.

Michael
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it's obvious to me by listening to my AB cd...that Mark did NOT write 99% of the lyrics with Creed.

[Disillusioned]

I started this thread for the purpose of igniting discussion and feedback over what I considered to be, if true, a completely different twist on an issue that has remained somewhat clouded with confusion...the lyrical/musical collaboration of Tremonti and Stapp. My personal reasons for wanting feedback was because up until I became a fan of Alter Bridge, I hadn't ever even lurked, let alone posted at a Creed message board. Although I do gravitate toward controversy, I really was looking for answers.

On the alterbridgeband.net board, one of the mod's from mt.net who was also privy to the Tulsa dinner conversation, stepped in to clarify what went down.

"Hey everyone,

I'm Drew, the other mod at mt.net. Me and Michael (Tig) spent the day with Alter Bridge at the Tulsa show and we happened to run into a member of our board, so he took it upon himself to decide that him and his 2 friends were going to join us. Not that I objected, but just so you know... we didn't ask this guy to come. Things were said at the dinner table that shouldn't be spread over the internet. I've come to find that to be the difference between MT.net and others... is that when someone like Mark entrusts you, someone he knows to be a loyal fan, with information that normally wouldnt be disclosed to the John Q public, you should definately know when and when not to pass that info on to others. For example, the band breaking up... certain people who i dont know wanted to be the ones that were "on the inner circle" and thought they should take it upon themselves to let the world know creed was finished. Do you think Mark would have wanted all of his fans to find out like that? Or do you think he would of rather it been a little less soap-opera?

Considering the majority of members on this board are people who have their vcr timers set to record all their fav soap operas, i guess that makes perfectly good sense.

Mark did NOT say he wrote 90% of the lyrics for Creed, he was talking about the music, and the melody lines. Rumor terminated, by a first hand witness.

Now, what is up with actually bashing another site and saying that one is better than the other? Its not a competition in any stretch of the word. Each one of these boards has its own cliches, thats obvious, but its ridiculous to bash people, or worse, websites, over the internet. Stalkeresque, personalized banners, and Adobe Photoshop do not make a website great. Neither does gossip. Carry on...

When asked the question "What all creed songs did you write?" Mark replied, "Man i wrote 95% of that stuff." Anyone could mistake that when Mark didnt specify that he meant music and melody lines. The guy didnt make a thread about this and make a huge scene, he put it in his fan review and somebody came to your site and blew it out of context and proportion."

*For the record, I wasn't the one who posted this guys review at alterbridgeband.net. I posted it here, and I've already explained my reasons for doing so.

[Ann Allusion]

I really was looking for answers.

and now you, and a lot of others have them. :D

I've always found it quite interesting that for the number of times this particular subject is brought up and explained, that there are still those that doubt the answer.

[evyllsummer]

Yeah, one of the MT.net mods (Drew) came onto abb.net and clarified that Mark was talking about the music and the melody, not lyrics...I would imagine that he wrote a fair amount of lyrics as well, but, yeah, he was NOT talking about lyrics in that remark, according to said mod that was also in attendance...here was the quote, "Mark did NOT say he wrote 90% of the lyrics for Creed, he was talking about the music, and the melody lines. Rumor terminated, by a first hand witness."

[creeddane]

....
like one knew all along.... :D

[XenoN]

I'm kind of skeptical about most of this, but would rather just call it here.

I say this thread gets the official stamp of "whatever". So what if Mark wrote most of Creed's music? Creed is over. Yay for Mark or yay for Scott. We all see where each is going with their musical talents - let that be the deciding factor. The "he said, she said" shit tends to skew everything.

"Watch your words
Or your words might drown you."

Rock on, and enjoy the music!

[Agent D]

I'm not going to comment on the "who wrote what?" crapola. They were a team, period. It doesn't mean squat.

But I do have to ask...haha can you just wander into the venue before the show and start talking to Mark and the boys? 'Cause a lot of people seem like they're getting to meet him by just showing up early. The only reason I ask is...well, I wanna be prepared whenever i get the chance to go to one of their shows.