The Stapp problem.

[FEREZ1]

:mad1:
Hey folks. I'm new to this site so be gentle. i will post my opinion of Scott later. Tell me what you think

[The Lithium]

How could Stapp ever be a problem?

[GeeK_2004]

what problem ??

:wtf::wtf::wtf:

[FEREZ1]

Stapp is the problem! I used to like him, but i sure dont now. He has made himself such an easy target! He was wrecked at the Chicago concert, didnt apologize and even insinuated that the accusers were liars.(And don't tell me he wasn't drunk).
He views Creed as HIS band and does'nt seem too bothered about Flip and Mark's problems. He is clearly a bono-wannabe who believes himself to be bigger than his band. Sometimes i look at the guy and totally cringe. He comes across as so egotistical and naive! Then we get all these idiots who defend his actions because it's "our Scott who can do no wrong". Its about time people cut through the crap and saw him as what he is.
I know he has had problems but i'm so glad Mark and Flip have broke free from him so that they can go on and acheive their true potential. It seems they have grown tired of him and want to do their own thing without having Scott as a burden on them. Unlike Stapp they seen to be pretty down to earth people, though they will probably never get the respect they deserve because people see them as the same as Stapp.
Mark has the potential to be one of the greatest rock guitarists of modern times! Would he have acheived that in Scott Stapp's band? I dont think so mate!!
I adore Creed. They have written some amazing songs, but the main reason they have been laughed at, is Stapp. The best is yet to come, but it will be Stappless.
I hope you all respect my view on this, because it is my honest opinion. I wont be pressurized to worship Scott Stapp, unlike some. :rolleyes:

[SMACKxxxCREED]

:wtf: :rolleyes:

[Sincirr]

Stapp is the problem!........( :mad: )........... :rolleyes:
wow! that sounds like it has been building up for a while.

[SCOTTSMYMAN]

:wtf:

[creedsister]

Stapp is the problem! I used to like him, but i sure dont now. He has made himself such an easy target! He was wrecked at the Chicago concert, didnt apologize and even insinuated that the accusers were liars.(And don't tell me he wasn't drunk).
He views Creed as HIS band and does'nt seem too bothered about Flip and Mark's problems. He is clearly a bono-wannabe who believes himself to be bigger than his band. Sometimes i look at the guy and totally cringe. He comes across as so egotistical and naive! Then we get all these idiots who defend his actions because it's "our Scott who can do no wrong". Its about time people cut through the crap and saw him as what he is.
I know he has had problems but i'm so glad Mark and Flip have broke free from him so that they can go on and acheive their true potential. It seems they have grown tired of him and want to do their own thing without having Scott as a burden on them. Unlike Stapp they seen to be pretty down to earth people, though they will probably never get the respect they deserve because people see them as the same as Stapp.
Mark has the potential to be one of the greatest rock guitarists of modern times! Would he have acheived that in Scott Stapp's band? I dont think so mate!!
I adore Creed. They have written some amazing songs, but the main reason they have been laughed at, is Stapp. The best is yet to come, but it will be Stappless.
I hope you all respect my view on this, because it is my honest opinion. I wont be pressurized to worship Scott Stapp, unlike some. :rolleyes: AND TODAY YOU ARE MINE !!!!!! MAN PEOPLE LIKE YOU SUCK!!!!! :cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss: !!!!

[Tamawig]

I kinda agree with this fella.

[creedsister]

:boxing: :offtopic: :bump: :bump: :bump: :bump: :bump: :mad1:
Hey folks. I'm new to this site so be gentle. i will post my opinion of Scott later. Tell me what you think

[creedsister]

:mad1:
Hey folks. I'm new to this site so be gentle. i will post my opinion of Scott later. Tell me what you think HERES WHAT I THINK FRREZ 1 :shoot: DYE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[creedlvr]

Stapp is the problem! I used to like him, but i sure dont now. He has made himself such an easy target! He was wrecked at the Chicago concert, didnt apologize and even insinuated that the accusers were liars.(And don't tell me he wasn't drunk).
He views Creed as HIS band and does'nt seem too bothered about Flip and Mark's problems. He is clearly a bono-wannabe who believes himself to be bigger than his band. Sometimes i look at the guy and totally cringe. He comes across as so egotistical and naive! Then we get all these idiots who defend his actions because it's "our Scott who can do no wrong". Its about time people cut through the crap and saw him as what he is.
I know he has had problems but i'm so glad Mark and Flip have broke free from him so that they can go on and acheive their true potential. It seems they have grown tired of him and want to do their own thing without having Scott as a burden on them. Unlike Stapp they seen to be pretty down to earth people, though they will probably never get the respect they deserve because people see them as the same as Stapp.
Mark has the potential to be one of the greatest rock guitarists of modern times! Would he have acheived that in Scott Stapp's band? I dont think so mate!!
I adore Creed. They have written some amazing songs, but the main reason they have been laughed at, is Stapp. The best is yet to come, but it will be Stappless.
I hope you all respect my view on this, because it is my honest opinion. I wont be pressurized to worship Scott Stapp, unlike some. :rolleyes:
I hate new people that come here and spread GARBAGE like this! Go back to where you came from! And NO ... I don't *respect* your view on this. How could you even write this crap!? Oh ... right ... I guess I'm one of those "idiots"!!!

[FEREZ1]

no mate, people like me dont suck, people like me are realistic and dont follow stupid fantasies like little girls! So many people on this board go on about how gr8 Stapp is, when its blantantly obvious he cares for himself only. Its people like you who must annoy the hell out of Mark and Flip. I used to adore everything about creed, but i know hate Stapp. How come? How come he gets so much disrespect from his peers? Why are so many fans losing faith in him? STOP ROMANTACIZING PEOPLE AND GET REAL!!
How could i spread crap like this, hmm cuz its my opinion. I have become totally disillusioned with Stapp.:mad1:

[creedlvr]

I'd like to to suggest ... before this goes any farther ... that no one continue to respond to this.

Even better ... Steve should close the thread.

[creedsister]

no mate, people like me dont suck, people like me are realistic and dont follow stupid fantasies like little girls! So many people on this board go on about how gr8 Stapp is, when its blantantly obvious he cares for himself only. Its people like you who must annoy the hell out of Mark and Flip. I used to adore everything about creed, but i know hate Stapp. How come? How come he gets so much disrespect from his peers? Why are so many fans losing faith in him? STOP ROMANTACIZING PEOPLE AND GET REAL!!
How could i spread crap like this, hmm cuz its my opinion. I have become totally disillusioned with Stapp.:mad1: hey i aint no damn little girl For One And my days And just because Im a chick And i dont ROMANTIACTIZIE~~~All right~~~ IM FOR WHATS RIGHT!!!!! And thats being very narrow minded of you to say that to theses GIRLS HERE!!!! If you come on a here Downing Stapp I will Kick your Ass Even if i was a Dude If You cant It sounds like to me your one of those people WHO CAN DISH IT BUT CANT TAKE IT :mad1: :mad1: :mad1: :mad1:

[FEREZ1]

Steve, whoever that is, don't close this thread. Is this how your message board works? Someone gives an honest opinion about a relevant issue, and you close it because some moron doesn't agree?! I don't want to ruffle feathers, its just that i'm so disillusioned with Stapp that i felt i had to say it. If you dont agree with my view, fine, i respect that! But i damn sure aint the only one who thinks this. Most of my creed loving friends have given up on them due to the fact they can't stand stapp. We all want to, but he don't do himself any favours. Its something that should be addressed and discussed:mad1:

[creedsister]

i cant belive this guy You CANT TELL THE LORD OF THE THREADS WHAT TO DO!!!!

[creedlvr]

First off ...
Dont' F#%!#! call me a moron!

Second ...
You're rude and obviously don't know how to state your opinions in a manner that isn't offensive. You're new here ... take a step back and try realizing how you came off.

I won't be wasting my time responding to this thread again!

[Dogstar]

Look, can you at least not resort to name-calling, Ferez1? You're entitled to your opinion, but don't expect to have a lot of people agree with you when you are posting on a FAN web site.

Its something that should be addressed and discussed

It has been. There are countless threads on this subject dating to the Chicago show. You might want to look some of them up before starting yet another one. Thanks.

[creedsister]

:Look, can you at least not resort to name-calling, Ferez1? You're entitled to your opinion, but don't expect to have a lot of people agree with you when you are posting on a FAN web site.



It has been. There are countless threads on this subject dating to the Chicago show. You might want to look some of them up before starting yet another one. Thanks. Thank you!!!!!! DogStar i :) :)

[FEREZ1]

I have come across as rude, and i apologize for it. However may i say that i gave an honest opinion to start with, and no one discussed it, they just attacked me. I want people to discuss it, not to start ranting about how disrespectful i am, just because my post didnt fit the status quo. I am a genuine creed fan and i'm sorry if i didn't say what you all WANTED me to say. Oh well, I LOVE AND ADORE SCOTT STAPP, HE'S TOTALLY INNOCENT...........HE'S GOD!! :mad:

[Dogstar]

Well, Ferez1, this board isn't like others. There are standards of decency that we try to adhere to. If you can't abide by them, you will be reported to Steve, the administrator of this board, who can decide to ban you if he so chooses. There is and has been plenty of debate on this subject, and yes, it does get heated. But we don't trash people with nasty language and insults. Well, we try very hard not to, but emotions can run high sometimes.

As I stated above, you are entitled to your opinion. It's the manner in which it is being delivered that is offensive.

[Jooji_2]

I have come across as rude, and i apologize for it. However may i say that i gave an honest opinion to start with, and no one discussed it, they just attacked me. I want people to discuss it, not to start ranting about how disrespectful i am, just because my post didnt fit the status quo. I am a genuine creed fan and i'm sorry if i didn't say what you all WANTED me to say. Oh well, I LOVE AND ADORE SCOTT STAPP, HE'S TOTALLY INNOCENT...........HE'S GOD!! :mad:


Then discuss it. Other than the Chicago incident. Give me instances where the man has acted like an arrogant ass. I want you to give me specific appearances or interviews, etc. Don't just say......"I heard", cause we all know that you don't believe what you "hear". Tell me exactly what behavior has caused you to form the opinion that you felt the needed to post here.

I'm waiting...........................

[FEREZ1]

Dogstar, i understand and apologize, but i'm really upset about this. Why don't you all get off your high horses bout this? It's an opinion, and you can understand me gettin upset when people want me banned for giving my point of view, which obviously doesn't count because you all disagree with it.

[Dogstar]

Ferez1, I haven't addressed your opinion specifically, so don't put words in my mouth, please. I addressed the manner in which you presented it.

[Jooji_2]

Dogstar, i understand and apologize, but i'm really upset about this. Why don't you all get off your high horses bout this? It's an opinion, and you can understand me gettin upset when people want me banned for giving my point of view, which obviously doesn't count because you all disagree with it.

I'm willing to discuss it...read my post.....and then give me specific examples.....give me the magazine....the concert, the interview, if you have formed an opinion......explain for us why you have formed that opinion....

[JulieCitySlicker]

I don't personally idolize any of the guys, they are merely just people like everyone else ;) I'd never consider dating any of them either(ducks from flying objects) :D Of course this is coming from a black girl to ;)

[FEREZ1]

1) Saying he wishs they could do as much as Pearl Jam have, then saying he could "kick Eddie Veddar's ass!"
2) Blantantly sacking Marshall because he wasn't afraid to say what he felt.(which obviously ain allowed on this message board)
3) Saying that Creed will end when HE feels they can't go any further.
4)He was kicked out of college for marijuana, not to mention aforementioned barroom brawls, being sued for being completely wasted in concert, etc.)
5) He's being sued for his disgraceful Chicago performance, then has the GALL to defend himself! He can't even own up to his mistakes
6) I feel it to be a giant slap in the face of any Christian to openly impersonate Jesus Christ.
7) THE PUNCHING INCIDENT "Some local went up to Scott while he was dancing," says the witness, "and said, 'You should've stuck with Pearl Jam.' So Scott yelled back, 'You wanna disrespect me?' and starts screaming. And the other guy was like, 'You're not a superstar.'" Stapp then punched the other man in the face, giving him a bloody lip and black eye, before the crowd could break them up.
YEAH. NICE GUY.

[creedlvr]

Dogstar, i understand and apologize, but i'm really upset about this.Yes ... and you should be! You came here with expectations of all of us just ready to accept your barrage of insults ... both to us AND a member of a band that we all love!
Why don't you all get off your high horses bout this?Another example of your condescending, insulting attitude!
It's an opinion, and you can understand me gettin upset when people want me banned for giving my point of view, which obviously doesn't count because you all disagree with it.You're OBVIOUSLY not getting it!

I'm sorry ... did you say you were a fan??? WOW!!! Thank God they don't have too many fans like you or they'd really be in trouble!

[Dogstar]

6) I feel it to be a giant slap in the face of any Christian to openly impersonate Jesus Christ

LMAO! You have completely blown up any credibility you might have had with that statement, but I'll play along.

Re: barroom fights: Simply because someone was in a few brawls and smoked a little weed doesn't make him arrogant. There are plenty of other rock stars who have taken far worse paths of self-destruction both on and off the stage, yet they are revered by fans all over the world: Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison, Kurt Cobain, Layne Staley...the list goes one.

Being sued does not make one arrogant. I will agree that I find his responses to the Chicago mess less than admirable. He'd have been better off not saying anything rather than trying to convince people it was performance art.

Can you cite the interviews in which he said HE would stop Creed when they couldn't go any further? I do remember reading something along those lines, but I don't know if said HE or WE.

Also, wasn't it Marshall who said Scott S could kick Vedder's ass in writing music? That's what I thought was the catalyst for his being booted from the band. Didn't Scott offer some sort of apology for Marshall's remarks as well? Again, my memory could be off.

Bottom line is, it's about the music...Worship the music, not the musician. If I decided to be a fan of music based on the personalities of those creating it, I wouldn't have much to listen to.

[farmgirl]

Hey FEREZ1, If you don't like Stapp so much, why did you bother to join this site? Just to bash him and praise the others? Maybe you would be happier on one of their hate sites or one of Tremo's sites.

If you're going to insult Stapp so much on a Creed board, don't be surprised when you get different views on it.

Your reasons for liking him aren't fact, just your opinion on it. :mad1:

[creedlvr]

OMG!!! Are you for real?!!?!? I'll ask it again ...
You're a Creed fan??? This must be a joke!!!
1) Saying he wishs they could do as much as Pearl Jam have, then saying he could "kick Eddie Veddar's ass!"When the F did he say that? When he challenged him to the wrestling match? Umm ... that was for entertainment only ... a way to end the animosity ... and raise money for charity at the same time. I actually thought it was a pretty good idea ... just for fun!
2) Blantantly sacking Marshall because he wasn't afraid to say what he felt.(which obviously ain allowed on this message board) Were you there? No one knows what really happened. I'm sure there was a lot more to the story than this. Besides, Scott was upset that Brian was somewhat talking negatively about another band because it makes Creed look bad ... another example of why #1 is obviously not true!
3) Saying that Creed will end when HE feels they can't go any further.I think you only WANT to believe he meant him alone.
4)He was kicked out of college for marijuana, not to mention aforementioned barroom brawls, being sued for being completely wasted in concert, etc.)So ... he smoked pot? I don't suggest we take a poll here to see how many have done the same at some point in their lives. CORRECTION --> singular bar room brawl. I don't condone this type of behavior ... but I guess a person could only take so much ... AND ... he has addressed this issue several times. Considering there was a friend waiting anxiously with a camera ... obviously, this was deliberately provoked.
5) He's being sued for his disgraceful Chicago performance, then has the GALL to defend himself! He can't even own up to his mistakes I agree that he made a HUGE mistake at this concert ... one that he will probably never live down. Yes ... he should have owned up to it ... but my guess is that he probably couldn't with the lawsuit going on. HE'S HUMAN!
6) I feel it to be a giant slap in the face of any Christian to openly impersonate Jesus Christ.I won't even address this as it is too stupid for words!!! "Impersonating Jesus Christ" ... :laugh:
7) THE PUNCHING INCIDENT "Some local went up to Scott while he was dancing," says the witness, "and said, 'You should've stuck with Pearl Jam.' So Scott yelled back, 'You wanna disrespect me?' and starts screaming. And the other guy was like, 'You're not a superstar.'" Stapp then punched the other man in the face, giving him a bloody lip and black eye, before the crowd could break them up.This incident has already been addressed above ... I guess you ran out of things to say!
YEAH. NICE GUY.I agree! He has done quite a lot of good things too!

I'm disappointed in myself for responding to this after I said I wouldn't ... this time I mean it!

[Jooji_2]

1) Saying he wishs they could do as much as Pearl Jam have, then saying he could "kick Eddie Veddar's ass!"
2) Blantantly sacking Marshall because he wasn't afraid to say what he felt.(which obviously ain allowed on this message board)
3) Saying that Creed will end when HE feels they can't go any further.
4)He was kicked out of college for marijuana, not to mention aforementioned barroom brawls, being sued for being completely wasted in concert, etc.)
5) He's being sued for his disgraceful Chicago performance, then has the GALL to defend himself! He can't even own up to his mistakes
6) I feel it to be a giant slap in the face of any Christian to openly impersonate Jesus Christ.
7) THE PUNCHING INCIDENT "Some local went up to Scott while he was dancing," says the witness, "and said, 'You should've stuck with Pearl Jam.' So Scott yelled back, 'You wanna disrespect me?' and starts screaming. And the other guy was like, 'You're not a superstar.'" Stapp then punched the other man in the face, giving him a bloody lip and black eye, before the crowd could break them up.
YEAH. NICE GUY.

1. Name the interview where he claimed he could kick Eddie Vedder's ass. And if I'm comprehending it correctly, saying he wishes they could do as much as Pearl Jam has actually sounds like a complimentary statement about Pearl Jam....and I missing something???????? Oh....and by the way....its Vedder.....not Veddar.

2. My opinion about people who insult other bands is that they have no class. Fellow Musicians should respect fellow musicians.....they may not like either other's music....but they can at least be civil....put their stuff out there and deal with what success they receive....don't diss another band. Using that philosophy.....Brian Marshall showed just how little class he had when he made the remark that brought about his removal....plus I'm guessing that there may have been other things that also contributed to that....but no one will ever know what that is.

Well if HE feels that he can't grow as a musician and he leaves Creed...then...yeah....Creed does end....I saw that remark....and if I'm not mistaken he never included any of the other band members in his remark...he was stating that about HIMSELF.

Okay....that's part I

[Kim V.]

Yes, Dogstar!! I believe you are right about the WE vs. HE issue and also about Marshall being the one to bash Vedder.

Ferez1, I agree with Dogstar. You have to understand, you are brand new here, coming in and bashing a member of a band we all love. We have already had so many of your kind who come on this bb and present their "opinions" in a way that gets everyone's back up. Stapp has made some bad decisions, yes, but he is only human and should not be put on a pedestal. I think way too many people have this idealistic standard that they think he "should" live up to, and the minute he disappoints, they have plenty of bad things to say. Are we all perfect, or do we all make mistakes? Just because someone is in the public eye all the time doesn't give people license to expect perfection from them. If you're human, you make mistakes. Hopefully, you learn from them and move on. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.......peace

[Jooji_2]

4)He was kicked out of college for marijuana, not to mention aforementioned barroom brawls, being sued for being completely wasted in concert, etc.)
5) He's being sued for his disgraceful Chicago performance, then has the GALL to defend himself! He can't even own up to his mistakes
6) I feel it to be a giant slap in the face of any Christian to openly impersonate Jesus Christ.
7) THE PUNCHING INCIDENT "Some local went up to Scott while he was dancing," says the witness, "and said, 'You should've stuck with Pearl Jam.' So Scott yelled back, 'You wanna disrespect me?' and starts screaming. And the other guy was like, 'You're not a superstar.'" Stapp then punched the other man in the face, giving him a bloody lip and black eye, before the crowd could break them up.
YEAH. NICE GUY.

4. If anyone who had ever smoked pot was prohibited from playing rock music.....rock and roll wouldn't exist...doofus.....they also have been known to trash hotel rooms too. (Van Halen is barred from life from the Holiday Inn Hotel Chain because they trashed so many Holiday Inn hotel rooms). Do you even know who Jimi Hendrix was?????? or Janis Joplin??????

5. Actually....this one shouldn't count....I told you except for Chicago....but since you insist on bringing it up. Yeah....it was a pretty bad mistake. If I had been there I probably would be mad and want my money back.....but a year later I wouldn't still be bitchin about it. See I have the ability to empathize.....to look at the situation as if maybe it was mine....and I have to admit that if it had been me....I had dealt with all the stuff that had gone on in that year....I was exhausted and ill....I just might have made the same bad decision. I'm not willing to give up on another person based on one bad decision.

6. Okay...so standing with your arms open can be taken no other way than an impersonation of Jesus Christ. Its obvious that you don't know alot about body language.....If you listen to country at all there is a video by Tim McGraw where he does exactly the same pose...11.....yes 11 times....do you hate him too? Okay....I'm not sure if he ever smoked pot in college....

7. The incident you mention involved someone who badgered Stapp all night, and didn't just mention Pearl Jam.....he brought up the guy's child. And when fists started flying....voila....there was a photographer to snap a picture. Its usually planned that way. The heckler went there for the express purpose of riling him up.....so my deal is he got what he deserved....a bloody nose. How many movie stars have you seen that punched out photographers, not for taking pictures of them.....but for taking pictures of their children. Unless you want to feel pain.....leave a person's children out of the equation.

Nice guy......well my take on it is....he hasn't done anything the most all of us haven't done too. Hey....I smoked some weed in college. I've gotten drunk before....and I'd no doubt punch the bejesus out of someone who went after my family.........

Now......would you like to discuss any further.......

[FEREZ1]

I would like to apologize for the way i represented myself with this situation. I want to get involved in your discussion if u accept me. I ain gonna change my opinion on Stapp, cuz that would be hypocritical, but i understand i came across as a jerk. I agree with a lot u av 2 say, and i still like creed immensely, but don't pass me off as a fool. I know a hell of a lot bout rock and roll and if u aren't offended i would like to continue to post in the future. There wont be any name-calling i promise!! ;)

[Jooji_2]

I would like to apologize for the way i represented myself with this situation. I want to get involved in your discussion if u accept me. I ain gonna change my opinion on Stapp, cuz that would be hypocritical, but i understand i came across as a jerk. I agree with a lot u av 2 say, and i still like creed immensely, but don't pass me off as a fool. I know a hell of a lot bout rock and roll and if u aren't offended i would like to continue to post in the future. There wont be any name-calling i promise!! ;)

To change your opinion of Stapp would be hypocritical.....I got a chuckle out of that one......takes a much bigger person to admit that they might be wrong about someone that one who is afraid of doing so because they will look like a hypocrite.

[SCOTTSMYMAN]

I can't believe this thread even got this far! OMG!! Scott Stapp is a human being! Not a God , a HUMAN BEING!!!!! Everyone at some point in thir lives has a made stupid mistakes! Your whole drug comment was a waste of time because how many rock stars do you know who haven't done drugs!!! God, the last two Presidents we had in office even did drugs!(sorry , I got political!!) You will criticize me just for me name , right! He's a good man who has done so many good things outside of his music. I don't know him personally but he has done good works! Creed as a whole is a great rock band. I don't feel Mark was held back by them and I hope they all have wonderful solo projects! Whatever happens in the future I will always support all of them! I believe your opinion is bias because you read too much in the paper and believe everything you read! :nono: The Chicago show is now going on over a year! Let's just get over it people! :mad1:

[SCOTTSMYMAN]

FEREZ1, I posted this before I was able to read your last post! I'm glad to see your taking a new approach! :thumbsup:

[FEREZ1]

Well i don't want EVERY1 to fall out wiv me. Some of u don't agree with me, some probably do. I just want to say soz for the negative aspects of this thread, though i'm criticizing Stapp, not the members of this message board.

[crest tattoo]

All right. I have to say something.

EVERYONE seems to blame Scott for the breakup. We all need to remember one thing: THERE ARE ALWAYS 2 SIDES to EVERY STORY!!!

I'm not saying Scott was innocent here, but I don't believe Mark didn't have any part in whatever happened. It takes two...

Also, please think of this situation this way: Have you ever been in a situation where you and another person were in an argument, and they were spreading rumors about you, and you decided to be the better person and just go on instead of saying anything.

There's way more to this whole thing than we know.

[RMadd]

no mate, people like me dont suck, people like me are realistic and dont follow stupid fantasies like little girls! So many people on this board go on about how gr8 Stapp is, when its blantantly obvious he cares for himself only. Its people like you who must annoy the hell out of Mark and Flip. I used to adore everything about creed, but i know hate Stapp. How come? How come he gets so much disrespect from his peers? Why are so many fans losing faith in him? STOP ROMANTACIZING PEOPLE AND GET REAL!!
How could i spread crap like this, hmm cuz its my opinion. I have become totally disillusioned with Stapp.:mad1:
Dude, you need to shut the hell up. I obviously don't agree with you, but I certainly don't fantasize about Scotty. He's mostly disrespected b/c Creed are a respectable band, not engaging in the stuff usually associated w/ rock artists. I mean, Fred Durst? Should we really care what he thinks about Stapp? Sure you can post your own opinions, but don't be an asshole about it.

[benkenobi]

I'm just trying to figure out what the problem is supposed to be. Mark is doing his band's album and Scott is doing his solo project. There's not really a problem.

[multifast1]

Hi all. First post to this site.. but not new at all to Creed fan sites or this site really. Lemme first say I've been a HUGE fan of Creed's music for a long time and still am. Even got to meet the band in person during a sound check near the end of their last tour (well, all except Stapp).

That said, I have to say I agree with much of what was said about Stapp in the first post. That is to say I have the same "impression" of him as a person. As a singer I think he's awesome, but from what I've seen (and yes heard) of him over the past few years.. I've got a very bad vibe about him.

Now, obviously Ferez1 shouldn't have resorted to name calling and all of the other things I think he was bated into.. (one of the first replies he got was "I think you should DYE" omg!!!).. I agree with much of what he is saying. As a fan I find this very troubling. In my opinion, much of Creed's negative perception out their is directly because of Stapp and his attitude. I have no doubt it also played a major role in the break-up too. Can't be certain but it's my impression.

I mean a bb is meant for sharing ideas and thoughts. When you ask someone to "prove" his ideas by writing an essay on everything that lead to this idea... c'mon. Ferez1 wrote somethings he's seems to regret but I think others have posted some just as offensive replies in my opinion without adding any value whatsoever.

Anyway, this has always been a great site for Creed info. I hope to post here when I can.

[creedlvr]

All right. I have to say something.

EVERYONE seems to blame Scott for the breakup. We all need to remember one thing: THERE ARE ALWAYS 2 SIDES to EVERY STORY!!!

I'm not saying Scott was innocent here, but I don't believe Mark didn't have any part in whatever happened. It takes two...

Also, please think of this situation this way: Have you ever been in a situation where you and another person were in an argument, and they were spreading rumors about you, and you decided to be the better person and just go on instead of saying anything.

There's way more to this whole thing than we know.
AMEN to that!

In all fairness, we have really only heard from Mark's camp ... nothing from Scott's. The only somewhat reliable info we've gotten has come from Mark to some fans to message boards and from Mark's brother. Again ... (no offense to the Mark fans) ... but this is very possibly slightly biased information. I, for one, do not appreciate hearing ... "Scott got the boot" or "What Mark said was the most politically correct thing he could have said." Again ... all from Mark's side and Scott not there to defend himself.

Scott has said nothing to indicate a riff between him and the others ... nor do we have any of his family members or friends here to defend him.

Right now, I think the playing field is a bit uneven and I do believe that there is a lot more to all of this. I do not believe there is any one person to blame.

Another thing I'd like to say is that it really amazes me when I hear (or read) people saying that Mark has been held back with Creed. Held back??? Creed has made Mark and the others very, very rich people ... not to mention well known and the envy of a number of other bands (which is probably the reason for most of the negativity towards them). The success that Creed has had is truly remarkable and each and every one of them should be incredibly grateful. Held back ... I think not!

[creedlvr]

Hi all. First post to this site.. but not new at all to Creed fan sites or this site really. Lemme first say I've been a HUGE fan of Creed's music for a long time and still am. Even got to meet the band in person during a sound check near the end of their last tour (well, all except Stapp).

That said, I have to say I agree with much of what was said about Stapp in the first post. That is to say I have the same "impression" of him as a person. As a singer I think he's awesome, but from what I've seen (and yes heard) of him over the past few years.. I've got a very bad vibe about him.

Now, obviously Ferez1 shouldn't have resorted to name calling and all of the other things I think he was bated into.. (one of the first replies he got was "I think you should DYE" omg!!!).. I agree with much of what he is saying. As a fan I find this very troubling. In my opinion, much of Creed's negative perception out their is directly because of Stapp and his attitude. I have no doubt it also played a major role in the break-up too. Can't be certain but it's my impression.

I mean a bb is meant for sharing ideas and thoughts. When you ask someone to "prove" his ideas by writing an essay on everything that lead to this idea... c'mon. Ferez1 wrote somethings he's seems to regret but I think others have posted some just as offensive replies in my opinion without adding any value whatsoever.

Anyway, this has always been a great site for Creed info. I hope to post here when I can.
Wow! I didn't realize so many people here knew Scott so well that they feel they are an authority on his personality.

You don't think other people here have posted anything that has added value? Well, I beg to differ. Others of us are simply trying to point out that the opinions of Scott and/or Mark are just that .... OPINIONS!!!! None of us know these guys personally. The things that have been said here are being put out there as if they are facts ... and they're not. I don't think it is unreasonable to ask for some examples of why someone feels the way they do ... especially when they obviously feel so strongly. That person said they wanted to discuss it ... okay ... then discuss it! Don't just come here and give a completely one-sided opinion, call everyone names (like us "idiots" who like Stapp) and then not be ready to back up what you've said.

[PaulMcCoygirl]

I think we're getting new people because they just wanna trash Scott. Personally Ferez1, keep your opinions to yourself. If you really liked Creed, you wouldn't have comeon to trash him like that.

[Dogstar]

In my opinion, much of Creed's negative perception out their is directly because of Stapp and his attitude. I have no doubt it also played a major role in the break-up too. Can't be certain but it's my impression.

You have no doubt, huh? Were you in the room when all these decisions were made? Please...Where were all you *fans* when there wasn't all this controversy or difference of opinion? I think Alisha's right. You're here to stir up trouble. And I'm sorry, but people shouldn't talk out of their asses without being able to back up their opinions. If you can't, then keep it to yourself.

[RMadd]

I'm just trying to figure out what the problem is supposed to be. Mark is doing his band's album and Scott is doing his solo project. There's not really a problem.
That's what I'm thinking. On Craig Kilborn, he said the he, Tremo, Flip, and Marshall committed to the band for 10 years... and it's been 10 years. He said they haven't broken up, but are taking time to explore other things.

[Jooji_2]

In my opinion, much of Creed's negative perception out their is directly because of Stapp and his attitude. I have no doubt it also played a major role in the break-up too. Can't be certain but it's my impression.

Can you explain what you mean by attitude....what is it about his attitude that you have such a problem with?

Knowing what I know now.....it seems that some members wanted to do things that maybe pushed the envelope...and some maybe didn't want Creed to go in that direction.....so they are doing their own thing on their own for a while.....why does it have to be some dirty feud between members?

[JenRN]

It amazes me how immature and ridiculous people can be. You come on here FEREZ1 and "think" your opinion really matters. Well let me tell you it is old news. People like you have been on here before to trash and stir up crap, get a new hobby :rolleyes: Just what did you think you would do coming to a CREED website and trashing the lead singer? You knew EXACTELY what you were going to get and I think that is so lame. I can tell by your bad grammer you are not from the states, go find another website to complain to you are boring us.

[creedlvr]

and take Multifast1 with you!

[Steve]

First, if you want to start good discussions you may do so but present them in a positive mannor. If you want to flame the band or the members of the band, do so somewhere else.

This discussion has been brought up several times. Yes you are new to the board, but the problem is the regulars here have dealt with this so many times in the past it gets annoying to see. Bringing up the same topics floods up the message board. It gets annoying. Please try the search function of the board and find if a conversation similar to yours has already been started before. (Note: this is just a word of advice for you and everyone else too)

Now to adress your posts:

1) Saying he wishs they could do as much as Pearl Jam have, then saying he could "kick Eddie Veddar's ass!"
Find the full transcript of the interview where he said this please and paste it here. I think the comment Stapp made was more or less a joke. Stapp, Creed, Eddie Vedder, and Pearl Jam are sick and tired of hearing these comments about both bands that both laugh and play it off now. They joke about it because it's been said so many times.

2) Blantantly sacking Marshall because he wasn't afraid to say what he felt.(which obviously ain allowed on this message board)
We don't know the reason why Marshall was removed from the band - only speculation.

3) Saying that Creed will end when HE feels they can't go any further.
Please show me the exact quote here... from my memory he said "WE" not "HE"

4)He was kicked out of college for marijuana, not to mention aforementioned barroom brawls, being sued for being completely wasted in concert, etc.)
How does his college years and one fight in a bar make him arrogant? Please explain the logic there?

5) He's being sued for his disgraceful Chicago performance, then has the GALL to defend himself! He can't even own up to his mistakes
So you wouldn't defend yourself in the same situation? It's human nature to defend yourself against acqusations.

6) I feel it to be a giant slap in the face of any Christian to openly impersonate Jesus Christ.
Dogstar summed this point up already previously. No need for me to comment on this again.

7) THE PUNCHING INCIDENT "Some local went up to Scott while he was dancing," says the witness, "and said, 'You should've stuck with Pearl Jam.' So Scott yelled back, 'You wanna disrespect me?' and starts screaming. And the other guy was like, 'You're not a superstar.'" Stapp then punched the other man in the face, giving him a bloody lip and black eye, before the crowd could break them up.
Again, how does this make him arrogant? Most people would probably do the same thing in the same position. Was this action he took the right one? Probably not, but he's only human.

Like others said, worship the music, not the musicians.

[Dogstar]

:clap: :clap: :clap:

[FEREZ1]

Wat u on about, not from the states?! wat has that to do wiv anything? Just because i disagree wiv u don't mean that i'm borin u! I'm from England, u know, that little country that always has to clean up your stupid yankie mess!

[JulieCitySlicker]

Wat u on about, not from the states?! wat has that to do wiv anything? Just because i disagree wiv u don't mean that i'm borin u! I'm from England, u know, that little country that always has to clean up your stupid yankie mess!


Um...Please :rolleyes: What the hell does that have to do with Creed or this board? Get a damn clue

[FEREZ1]

You know, you guys should learn to not be so protective and accept other people's point of view. Do you see me tellin people to shut up, or to go and die! Very mature! My post was strong worded, only because i feel that strongly about the issue. Tellin me to die and so forth just cuz you disagree is a real sign of maturity you know!

[JulieCitySlicker]

Ya well, I think I hear some crumpets and tea calling , so get lost ;)

[Dogstar]

One overzealous person said to die, so get a grip. I'm not condoning that, but you invited this when you came in flaming the band with very little to back up what you perceive as fact. You brought this on yourself. No one's being *protective* of anything. We're simply asking that you back up what you say, and so far, you haven't. Your post was rude in addition to strong-worded. Strong-worded would be fine if you could back up what you said. But you didn't.

[FEREZ1]

I don't need facts to back it up! Its a bloody opinion! Thats what this is, a place to air your opinions!!!?? You dont agree? I don't say i have all the answers but i'm trying to make up for it and be polite, and all you morons keep insultin me.
I used to like creed, but then i discovered Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, Nirvana etc... you know, REAL rock bands, not this watered down, manufactured rubbish you all listen to.
In fifty years time, when these bands are remembered for being the geniuses they are, i guarentee all you idiots will look back and say, "god, that guy was right! i used to listen to some right crap!"
You are probably all pre-pubescent kids who think creed are the shit!! A real rock fan knows that Creed are an embarrassment to the rock scene, and their insults are deserved. You want facts to back that up? Look at all the best albums lists. No creed mate! In fifty years time no one will remember them. They are just a fad, romanticized by naive youngsters who think Stapp is the next Robert Plant. Creed have no respect amongst their peers, because real musicians know who the phonies are! They laugh at them because they see them for the joke they are, and selling millions of records dont make you the bleedin Beatles, just ask Britney Spears.

[creedsister]

:mad1: You know, you guys should learn to not be so protective and accept other people's point of view. Do you see me tellin people to shut up, or to go and die! Very mature! My post was strong worded, only because i feel that strongly about the issue. Tellin me to die and so forth just cuz you disagree is a real sign of maturity you know! TO HELL WITH YOUR POINT OF VIEW WERE IT CAME FROM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IM REALLY NOT IN THE MOOD FOR THIS AND I ALWAYS GET THE LAST WORD SO EAT CRAP AND DYE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad1:

[Bridge of Clay]

:mad1: TO HELL WITH YOUR POINT OF VIEW WERE IT CAME FROM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IM REALLY NOT IN THE MOOD FOR THIS AND I ALWAYS GET THE LAST WORD SO EAT CRAP AND DYE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad1:

Girl, chill out! Geez, you so over react when Stapp is the topic.

Let the guy speak his mind, it's not like his opinion will change yours.

[Bridge of Clay]

To Ferez1:

Ok, we know you don't like Stapp. But did he ever do something against you? At least meet the guy to make an opinion. No need to be so harsh on him and other people.

If you don't like him, fine. But stop caring/worrying about him.

[WeatheredWoman]

Oh man... just look at all the attention this Ferez-dude(tte) is gettin' :rolleyes:


:ignore: !!!!!!

[Chris98GT]

I think we're getting new people because they just wanna trash Scott. Personally Ferez1, keep your opinions to yourself. If you really liked Creed, you wouldn't have comeon to trash him like that.Yeah, when Scott screws up, you're supposed to glaze over his mistakes and just remember how awesome he REALLY is. :thumbsup:

:rolleyes:

[JulieCitySlicker]

Oh Cool! Look who's back :rolleyes:

[Dogstar]

Invisible Kid, no one is *glazing over* anything. Reread the original post and the queries and the responses before you go shooting off your mouth.

[FEREZ1]

Harsh? Should i be happy that everyone here has been hammering me for giving an opinion. If they don't agree they tell me to die or what have you! Let me ask you, if so many people displayed such a complete ignorance of your opinion, and insulted you just because you believe differently, would your posts be friendly? I said i was sorry for the way i came across, and they still insulted me, i'm merely sticking up for my opinion which just because it isn't popular doesnt make it less worthy of this message board.

[creedsister]

Girl, chill out! Geez, you so over react when Stapp is the topic.

Let the guy speak his mind, it's not like his opinion will change yours.
ONE WORD PMS!!!!!!!!!! SO everybody got to die and morons like that really must die but i will shutup it only makes theme go on more!!!!! :ignore: :mad1:

[creedsister]

:ignore: :ignore: :ignore: Harsh? Should i be happy that everyone here has been hammering me for giving an opinion. If they don't agree they tell me to die or what have you! Let me ask you, if so many people displayed such a complete ignorance of your opinion, and insulted you just because you believe differently, would your posts be friendly? I said i was sorry for the way i came across, and they still insulted me, i'm merely sticking up for my opinion which just because it isn't popular doesnt make it less worthy of this message board.

[Dogstar]

Harsh? Should i be happy that everyone here has been hammering me for giving an opinion. If they don't agree they tell me to die or what have you! Let me ask you, if so many people displayed such a complete ignorance of your opinion, and insulted you just because you believe differently, would your posts be friendly? I said i was sorry for the way i came across, and they still insulted me, i'm merely sticking up for my opinion which just because it isn't popular doesnt make it less worthy of this message board.

Stop clouding the issue. Several people, myself included, have responded to what you posted as a backup to your opinion and you have yet to address that. You are zeroing in on ONE post. Stop avoiding the issue and answer the queries and responses that were directed at you. If you can't, then KEEP IT TO YOURSELF.

[Bridge of Clay]

ONE WORD PMS!!!!!!!!!! SO everybody got to die and morons like that really must die but i will shutup it only makes theme go on more!!!!! :ignore: :mad1:


see what I'm saying?

[creedlvr]

Oh man... just look at all the attention this Ferez-dude(tte) is gettin' :rolleyes:


:ignore: !!!!!!

I know! That's why I said very early on that we all should have just ignored it. But that's so hard to do when you know someone is talking out of their ass! You just feel compelled to speak up! I said 2x I wouldn't be responding anymore ... and here I am again!

[Bridge of Clay]

Harsh? Should i be happy that everyone here has been hammering me for giving an opinion. If they don't agree they tell me to die or what have you! Let me ask you, if so many people displayed such a complete ignorance of your opinion, and insulted you just because you believe differently, would your posts be friendly? I said i was sorry for the way i came across, and they still insulted me, i'm merely sticking up for my opinion which just because it isn't popular doesnt make it less worthy of this message board.

I know, I see your point. But the way you posted leads people to this kind of reaction. Perhaps if you had been easier with your words everybody would get your point and have a nice discussion. You knew you'd cause trouble posting like that, and I think that was totally unnecessary.

[JulieCitySlicker]

I agree Kerri :clap: :clap: :clap:

[hotforscott]

Harsh? Should i be happy that everyone here has been hammering me for giving an opinion. If they don't agree they tell me to die or what have you! Let me ask you, if so many people displayed such a complete ignorance of your opinion, and insulted you just because you believe differently, would your posts be friendly? I said i was sorry for the way i came across, and they still insulted me, i'm merely sticking up for my opinion which just because it isn't popular doesnt make it less worthy of this message board.

There is a tactful way to voice your opinion, you showed your ignorance by attacking him, and then basically acting as if you are better or something, give me a break. There have been several people (NOT ALL, BUT SOME) who have come on this board, and we have heard loud and clear that they don't like Stapp, or Creed, or what have you, but they went about voicing their opinion the right way, and we agree to disagree. You are acting like a child, and therefore you are getting what you deserve. Voice your opinion with respect and get it in return........Shout off insults.............and you can expect the same right back at ya!

[crest tattoo]

I'm from England, u know, that little country that always has to clean up your stupid yankie mess!

Is it just me, or does anyone else take a bit of offense to that?

And by the way, there isn't one of us on this board that will look back and call ourselves "idiots" for being Creed fans. Daaa. That's why we are here, and we all have bonded here. We've lost nothing, and we've gained ohhh soo much.

[FEREZ1]

MY insults have only come as a result of being unneccessarily attacked by those who disagree. I never said it was fact, i just gave an opinion. If i dont like stapp, i wont sit and say how much i love him. Your hostility to me right from the start was uncalled for. If you read my original post you will find no insults to fellow creed fans, just a short opinion from myself. Th response was hurtful, i meant no disrespect to anyone, i wanted your opinions on the STAPP ISSUE!! Responding with things like die, or get lost is not an opinion on the content of my post. You all took it personally and attacked me as a person because you thought i was an idiot. Re-read my first post again! Did it warrant the torrent of abuse that came my way?

[JulieCitySlicker]

Is it just me, or does anyone else take a bit of offense to that?

And by the way, there isn't one of us on this board that will look back and call ourselves "idiots" for being Creed fans. Daaa. That's why we are here, and we all have bonded here. We've lost nothing, and we've gained ohhh soo much.

Ya! Thats why I posted this ;)
(Quote) by JulieLovesCreed
Ya well, I think I hear some crumpets and tea calling , so get lost (Quote)

[creedlvr]

Is it just me, or does anyone else take a bit of offense to that?
yes ... I take great offense to it! But this person ... he, she... whatever it is ... wants us all to play nice due to an apology ... then makes a statement like this!

[Dogstar]

MY insults have only come as a result of being unneccessarily attacked by those who disagree. I never said it was fact, i just gave an opinion. If i dont like stapp, i wont sit and say how much i love him. Your hostility to me right from the start was uncalled for. If you read my original post you will find no insults to fellow creed fans, just a short opinion from myself. Th response was hurtful, i meant no disrespect to anyone, i wanted your opinions on the STAPP ISSUE!! Responding with things like die, or get lost is not an opinion on the content of my post. You all took it personally and attacked me as a person because you thought i was an idiot. Re-read my first post again! Did it warrant the torrent of abuse that came my way?

Cry me a river already. You STILL haven't responded to those who challenged your opinion with what you claim is backup.

[JulieCitySlicker]

Cry me a river already. You STILL haven't responded to those who challenged your opinion with what you claim is backup.


Probably cuz he/she doesn't have shit for backup ;)

[Steve]

Harsh? Should i be happy that everyone here has been hammering me for giving an opinion. If they don't agree they tell me to die or what have you! Let me ask you, if so many people displayed such a complete ignorance of your opinion, and insulted you just because you believe differently, would your posts be friendly? I said i was sorry for the way i came across, and they still insulted me, i'm merely sticking up for my opinion which just because it isn't popular doesnt make it less worthy of this message board.

FEREZ1, you can be free to have your opinion, but that opinion must be formed based on something. That "something" you have yet to address. The information you used to "back up" your opinion appears to be false and inaccurate data. Several people, including myself, have pointed this out to you, yet you have not addressed this yet. If you refuse to address these points, then I will assume you have ended your discussion of the topic and I will close this thread.

[creedlvr]

Okay, I did go back to read your first post. What I found was a flaming angry face ... even before you typed a single word! (Having trouble with the Smilies, or I'd post it here.)

Then, in your second post (after berating a man you don't even know), you stated the following ...
Then we get all these idiots who defend his actions because it's "our Scott who can do no wrong". Its about time people cut through the crap and saw him as what he is.
I think you started right away with the "idiot" comment.

[Dogstar]

Steve is right. This thread is going nowhere.

[creedlvr]

Steve is right. This thread is going nowhere.
Yep!

[WeatheredWoman]

:ignore:

[jma91]

:ignore:

I agree. We've all wasted enough time reading these responses. ;)

[Jooji_2]

Wat u on about, not from the states?! wat has that to do wiv anything? Just because i disagree wiv u don't mean that i'm borin u! I'm from England, u know, that little country that always has to clean up your stupid yankie mess!

Ya know....I tried having an decent conversation with you....but I really don't think that's what you want......you came here to start an argument. I responded to every accusation you made...

And as for cleaning up stupid yankee mess......pick up a history book and do some research on World War II. ;)

[facelessman]

interesting...

[TeriB19]

First Quote:


i'm so glad Mark and Flip have broke free from him so that they can go on and acheive their true potential. Unlike Stapp they seen to be pretty down to earth people, though they will probably never get the respect they deserve because people see them as the same as Stapp.
Mark has the potential to be one of the greatest rock guitarists of modern times!
I adore Creed. They have written some amazing songs The best is yet to come,



Then.........
I used to like creed, but then i discovered Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, Nirvana etc... you know, REAL rock bands, not this watered down, manufactured rubbish you all listen to.
In fifty years time, when these bands are remembered for being the geniuses they are, i guarentee all you idiots will look back and say, "god, that guy was right! i used to listen to some right crap!"
You are probably all pre-pubescent kids who think creed are the shit!! A real rock fan knows that Creed are an embarrassment to the rock scene, and their insults are deserved. You want facts to back that up? Look at all the best albums lists. No creed mate! In fifty years time no one will remember them. They are just a fad, romanticized by naive youngsters who think Stapp is the next Robert Plant. Creed have no respect amongst their peers, because real musicians know who the phonies are! They laugh at them because they see them for the joke they are, and selling millions of records dont make you the bleedin Beatles, just ask Britney Spears.


Hmm, now is it just me, or is this person talking out of both sides of his mouth? I smell a troll.

And yes, I take offense to the yankee crap remark. This is just my opinion, take it for what it's worth, but if it looks like a troll and smells like a troll, chances are......

[JulieCitySlicker]

Darn right Teri ;)

[Chris98GT]

Look who's back
[eminem] Back again....

*dances*

:smokin:

[JulieCitySlicker]

:cool:

[DangerousDan85]

damn 755 views, 93 responses, this guy can really stir up shit, lol

[DangerousDan85]

You want facts to back that up? Look at all the best albums lists. No creed mate! In fifty years time no one will remember them. They are just a fad, romanticized by naive youngsters who think Stapp is the next Robert Plant. Creed have no respect amongst their peers, because real musicians know who the phonies are!

hmmm, in the past 6 years, Creed has accomplished more than most bands could dream of, "no respect", "just a fad", i think not

Weathered tied The Beatles' Anthology for the most consecutive weeks (8) at Number One on Billboard's Top 200 chart since the beginning of the SoundScan era (1991).

First band with seven consecutive Number One Rock Radio singles.

First band in history to have four Number One Rock Radio singles from a debut album.

First band to have the first three singles from every album released chart simultaneously at the Active Rock format.

"Higher" broke the Active and Mainstream Rock airplay records for the most consecutive weeks at number one, holding the coveted spot for eighteen weeks.

YEAR 2003

AWARDS

People's Choice Awards
-Favorite Musical Group or Band (split with Dixie Chicks)

American Music Awards
-Favorite Band, Duo or Group - Pop or Rock n' Roll Music
-Favorite Artist - Alternative Music

2003 Grammy nomination:
-Best Rock Performance by Duo or Group

BMI Pop Awards
-"With Arms Wide Open" (2nd award)


YEAR 2002

AWARDS

Guitar World - Readers Poll
-Best Rock Guitar Album - Weathered
-Best Rock Guitarist 2002 - Mark Tremonti

Billboard Awards
-Group/Duo of the Year
-Group/Duo Albums Artist of the Year
-Catalog Artist of the Year
-Catalog Album of the Year: Human Clay

VH1 Awards
-Hit Me Baby One More Time (best new album from a hitmaker)

YEAR 2001


AWARDS

2001 Grammy Award for Best Rock Song - "With Arms Wide Open" (Scott Stapp / Mark Tremonti songwriters)

2001 Grammy Nominations:
-Best Rock Performance By A Duo Or Group With Vocal - "With Arms Wide Open"
-Songwriters Award - Best Rock Song - "With Arms Wide Open" (Scott Stapp / Mark Tremonti, songwriters)

Billboard Awards
-Catalog Artist of the Year: Creed
-Catalog Album of the Year: Creed, My Own Prison

Blockbuster Awards Nominations:
-Favorite Group of the Year
-Favorite Rock Group
-Favorite CD
-Favorite Single ("Higher")

Juno Awards Nomination (Canada's version of the Grammys)
-Best Selling Album - Human Clay

American Music Awards:
-Favorite Alternative Artist
-Favorite Pop/Rock Album - Human Clay

NARM Convention Awards:
-Best Selling Rock Recording
-Best Selling Chartmaker Recording

Guitar World - Readers Poll
Best Rock Guitarist 2001 - Mark Tremonti


YEAR 2000

AWARDS

2000 MyVH1 Music Awards:
-Group of the Year
-Song of the Year - "Higher"
-Welcome to the Big Time
-2 For 2

2000 Billboard Music Awards:
-Rock Artist of the Year

2000 Radio Music Awards:
-Alternative/Active Rock Song of the Year - "With Arms Wide Open"
-Alternative/Active Rock Group of the Year

BMI Songwriters' Awards
-Pop Award - "Higher" (Scott Stapp / Mark Tremonti songwriters)
-Pop Award - "With Arms Wide Open" (Scott Stapp / Mark Tremonti songwriters)

Album Network
-Artist of the Year
-CD of the year - Human Clay

Guitar One Magazine Best Rock Guitarist - Mark Tremonti

CHARTS

BILLBOARD MONITOR
Active Rock #1 Artist

Mainstream Rock Radio
#1 Artist
#4 Song "Higher"
#5 Song "With Arms Wide Open"

Heritage Rock Radio
#1 Artist
#2 Song "Higher"
#3 Song "With Arms Wide Open"

Top 40 Radio
#4 Artist
#4 Song "Higher"

Modern A/C Radio
#2 Artist
#4 Song "Higher"

Rock Radio
#2 Song "With Arms Wide Open"
#6 Song "Higher"

CHR/Pop Radio
#3 Song "Higher"

ALBUM NETWORK MAGAZINE
Album of the Year - Human Clay
Rock Artist of the Year
#1 Most-Played Rock Album of the Year - Human Clay

My Own Prison spent 33 consecutive weeks at #1 on Billboard's Top 200 Catalog Chart.


VH1's "Behind The Music" on CREED was the 4th highest rated episode for the Emmy nominated program.

Played live in front of over 1 million fans in just 90 dates in the United States.

Between 1998 and 2000, CREED played to more than four million fans worldwide, not including the enormous crowd who witnessed their performance at Woodstock '99


YEAR 1999

Human Clay debuted at #1 on the Billboard Top 200 Charts in the United States
Human Clay debuted at #1 in Canada

1999 Billboard Music Awards
-Rock Artist of the Year
-Rock Song of the Year - "One"

BMI Songwriters' Awards
-Pop Award - "What's This Life For" (Scott Stapp / Mark Tremonti songwriters)
-Pop Award - "One" (Scott Stapp / Mark Tremonti songwriters)

YEAR 1998

1998 Billboard Music Awards:
-Rock Artist of the Year

Album Network
CD of the Year - My Own Prison

BMI Songwriters' Awards
-Pop Award - "My Own Prison" (Scott Stapp / Mark Tremonti songwriters)

My Own Prison was the #1-selling Hard Music album on SoundScan's Hard Music chart

[creedlvr]

You rock, Dan!!!

[TeriB19]

Enough said. Thanks Dan.

[JenRN]

Wat u on about, not from the states?! wat has that to do wiv anything? Just because i disagree wiv u don't mean that i'm borin u! I'm from England, u know, that little country that always has to clean up your stupid yankie mess!
That is even worse, you are from England and can't even type good grammer :rolleyes: Go have some tea or something.LOL! It seems the only immature pre-puberty person on here is YOU!!!! Get a grip! If you step into a HOT kettle you should expect to get burned! Go cry to someone who cares what you think!

[Ann Allusion]

FEREZ1...Mulitfast...LOL...these s/n's are quite familiar..altho FEREZ1 has posted under different ones from time to time...the attitude is the same...

No one is going to berate you for you opinions...but it is not a very smart move to come to a bb that is a FAN site and begin TROLLING.

Personally,FEREZ, i don't think i would trust you any further than i could throw you....don't you have anything in your LIFE you can become this angry at that is worth the anger???...Some humanitarian cause or something...

Scott Stapp should not be one of them...you wish to lay the blame somewhere?...then lay it on yourself and all the rest of the people that have decided this HUMAN BEING didn't live up to THEIR expectations....this man owes nothing to anyone but himself...period...what he does is his choice and how he does it is his choice as well.

Go ahead and keep your opinions, FEREZ....no body is going to try and change your mind because it is people with minds like your's that i personally do not choose to associate with...

~Ann~

[farmgirl]

I wasn't going to reply again to this but since it was bumped.

multifast, you made a comment saying you have "no doubt" Scott played a major role in the breakup but follow it up with, "I can't be sure". You have no doubt but can't be sure??? That doesn't make sense so the credibility of your statement leaves alot to be desired.

FEREZ1, in your initial post you claim you adore Creed, then in a follow-up post, you call them "watered down manufactured rubbish". Again, like multi-fast, you are contradicting yourself.

Most of us here are NOT pre-pubescent kids so that comment is just not worth even responding to. Alot of us here are parents and still love Creed.
Creed has one of the widest range of ages for their fans that I know of.

As far as Creed not being in the top album lists, have you seen what is actually in them? Christ, Britney was voted in one of them, what does that say about the importance of those lists? Nothing.

[RMadd]

Wat u on about, not from the states?! wat has that to do wiv anything? Just because i disagree wiv u don't mean that i'm borin u! I'm from England, u know, that little country that always has to clean up your stupid yankie mess!
Wow, if that's not the biggest load of bullshit I've ever heard from a non-politician! I'm not sure I know where to begin! Let's see, there's WWI, WWII, so on and so forth.

[multifast1]

I wasn't going to reply again to this but since it was bumped.

multifast, you made a comment saying you have "no doubt" Scott played a major role in the breakup but follow it up with, "I can't be sure". You have no doubt but can't be sure??? That doesn't make sense so the credibility of your statement leaves alot to be desired.


WOW. Guess I picked the wrong thread to make my first post in!! LOL. Please don't confuse me with Ferez1.. I'm not even close and also pretty offended by some of the things he said, particularly the stuff after my post. And I don't agree with everything he said either... just the sentiment about Stapp having some personal problems is all.

Let me clarify a bit, please. And just in case anyone is wondering, I AM a longtime Creed fan and follower... always will be. The only reason I commented here at all is because I think that some of the negativity about Stapp is not as uncommon in Creedfanland or in mainstream thought as most of you would think. It's my impression from being on several Creed related sites over the past five or so years and from following the music industry, that lots of people have similar thoughts about Stapp and this person who also posted for their first time shouldn't have been shouted down like he was.

Now, from seeing many of his following posts and the way he handled himself after inital attacks.. he was more than likely just trying to start chit.

Anyway, about my "contradicting myself" ... and therefore have no credibility.. LMFAO. First off, I don't consider it a contradiction. I have no doubt in my own mind that his attitude was a major factor in the break-up... but I know there were other factors and I'm not sure how big a factor it played. Maybe I didn't state it clearly and for that I'm sorry. See, that's exactly why I grimiced when you someone asked for an item by item listing of specific things that brought Ferez to his ideas... It's soooooooo easy to pick one line out of an entire arguemnt and then discount the whole thing because you find fault in one sentence.

Again, I'm sorry if my few paragraphs of my one and only post here made you think I was a hater or something. Not here to cause trouble at all. In fact, I've enjoyed this site for years with all the Creed info it has. By far one of the best fan sites around. I've just never posted here for some reason... and picked a bad one to drop in on I guess....

[RMadd]

MY insults have only come as a result of being unneccessarily attacked by those who disagree. I never said it was fact, i just gave an opinion. If i dont like stapp, i wont sit and say how much i love him. Your hostility to me right from the start was uncalled for. If you read my original post you will find no insults to fellow creed fans, just a short opinion from myself. Th response was hurtful, i meant no disrespect to anyone, i wanted your opinions on the STAPP ISSUE!! Responding with things like die, or get lost is not an opinion on the content of my post. You all took it personally and attacked me as a person because you thought i was an idiot. Re-read my first post again! Did it warrant the torrent of abuse that came my way?
Let's see here, you came to a site used by fans of the band, and bashed one of the members (the most visible member, nonetheless) in one of your very first posts. Then you make ignorant comments about the UK cleaning up our messes (see my previous post). Why are we not allowed to be hostile towards you and your opinion, eh? You're hostile towards those of us who think you're full of shit b/c you claim we're attacking you. But aren't you doing the same, attacking us and something we hold dear to ourselves (namely, that Scott isn't an arrogant, egotistical bastard, etc.). Plus, as I've seen, many of your "facts" are actually quite unfactual. In response to your final question quoted above, yes!

[Mr.Anderson]

Wow, theres a lot going on in here. Anyways I'm going to add my two cents. I don't really know the whole story of stapp and if he really is a an ass or what, but throughout the history of rock music the lead singer has pretty much always been the center of trouble for a band. Take any band you'll find that the singer is usually to blame for everything. Why is this, who knows. Does this make Stapp guilty of all of the shit he is accused of? Probably not, but it doesn't make him innocent either. None of us will probably never know the truth behind all of the BS Stapp is getting. So its probably better off to just drop the whole fight considering there is like no proof for anything.

[Agent D]

:laugh: Haha, FEREZ1, you make me laugh.

No reason to post here anymore, my fellow CreedFeeders. Dan's post with Creed's accomplishments on it was all we needed to win this argument. ;)

[SleeplessAngel]

Some people are just too judgemental...it's sad.

[The Lithium]

Yeah, they are

[farmgirl]

Why would you bump a thread about Stapp being a problem after 7 months of no new posts on it? We all know you prefer AB but this kind of crap isn't necessary. :wtf:

[Bridge of Clay]

she's right, Seb.