Take a step back... again

[velocityidp]

[I'd appreciate it if this message wasn't censored again. None of this is rumor, it's just my analysis of events. Take it, leave it, or respond]

OK, yeah I know this is all speculation, but I've gleamed some interesting "psuedo-facts" from what's happened so far...

Take a step back and look at the present facts we do know at this point...

OK, for those of you people that don't know, the original members of Creed were Scott Stapp, Mark Tremonti, Scott Philips and Brian Marshal. Brian resigned from or was kicked out of Creed during the Human Clay tour for some as-of-yet unknown reason. Some claim it had to do with some somewhat questionable comments Brian made about Vedder & Peal Jam, and others say it just had to do with "artistic differences." A studio bassist, Brett Hestla, filled in for Brian during the Weathered tour.

To analyze...

Now, we know that Mark and Flip are starting a new band without Scott Stapp. That doesn't necessaily tell us much. However, the fact that Brian Marshall is getting together with the band has got to say something... it's not just a coincidence. If Brian was kicked out because of his PJ comments (i.e. booted for being a "loose cannon," then why would Mark and Flip welcome him into a new band? If Brian was kicked out because of "artistic differences," then, again, why would he be welcomed back? Furthermore, why would *Brian* want to join a band with members that supposedly gave him the boot? Think about it logically.

The absence of Stapp from all this is significant. There must have been some kind of friction between these two guys -- it's the only logical explaination I can think of for 1) Mark and Flip allowing Brian to join the new band and 2) for Brian deciding to essentially re-join "Stappless Creed".

The more I think about it, the more I see how a rift could have been forming between Stapp and the other band members. To take things one step further, I'd argue that Stapp's desire to unilaterally control the direction of the band could have led to the boot/resignation as well as the de-facto breakup. Ever watch video interviews with Creed when Stapp, Mark and Flip are there? Stapp would always dominate the conversation. Even when the others spoke out, Stapp would always rein them in, taking back control of the conversation. Mark always looks miserable in those interviews, often with arms folded and looking away. I think many of you know what I'm talking about. You can sometimes tell quite a deal from people's body language.

Anyway, from those two points -- the fact that Brian is joining a "Stappless Creed" and the perceived "controling" manner of Stapp -- leads me to believe a lot of this has to do with Stapp and the direction he was taking the band into.

Again, don't get all your collective panties in a bundle! That's my analysis of the situation. If you don't like my analysis, so be it. I'm not pretending to know the true facts... but none of us ever will, so it's interesting to present some facts and try to make some sense out of them.

[Bridge of Clay]

yeah... Mark doesn't like to be on the spotlight, being interviewed and speaking... but everytime he wanted to say something, he would interupt Stapp to say his thoughts. And everytime Stapp did agree... believe it or not, Mark is shy...

Now, how much recognition does drummers get? we never hear from them... how many Flip sites are on net? that I'm aware, just Fliponline.

The vocalist is the frontman, dude. Everyband is interviewed, it's always the singer speaking at least 80% of the time.

[velocityidp]

yeah... Mark doesn't like to be on the spotlight, being interviewed and speaking... but everytime he wanted to say something, he would interupt Stapp to say his thoughts. And everytime Stapp did agree... believe it or not, Mark is shy...

Now, how much recognition does drummers get? we never hear from them... how many Flip sites are on net? that I'm aware, just Fliponline.

The vocalist is the frontman, dude. Everyband is interviewed, it's always the singer speaking at least 80% of the time.

Could be, but I never got that impression. But beyond that, one has to admit there's something a little strange about Brian joining/being invited to the new "Stappless Creed" band.

[Bridge of Clay]

There's nothing strange. At first I thought that, I admit.

But when Brian left the band, the climate wasn't good. Although Brian is, according to Mark, the best bassist he knows to play with, their relationship was downhill.

Maybe what hurt Brian wasn't the fact he was kicked out by Stapp, by them or due the fact Mark/Flip didn't stand for him at that time... who knows? we don't know the truth... maybe someday we will... but at Jan 16th, 11:30 pm, Brasilia Time, we don't know.

When people first posted at the pit that Brian would join Mark and Flip, his relatives couldn't believe and said it wasn't possible. Later, it was posted that this person never thought Brian could be so forgiving. Brian loves to play with Mark as well.

What went wrong in the past, they settled it. With Stapp, it maybe a bit harder (not because of Stapp, but because of what went wrong), but hopefully they can make peace.

we can't predict things. Who, among us, would say creed was going to break up? we'd call the person a freak or a troll...and laugh at it.

Some people even speculated that after almost a year, Mark was still pissed at Stapp due Chicago... but they put a unique concert a couple days after Chicago...

"Let it roll, baby, roll!"

[creedsister]

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[Steve]

[I'd appreciate it if this message wasn't censored again. None of this is rumor, it's just my analysis of events. Take it, leave it, or respond]

OK, yeah I know this is all speculation, but I've gleamed some interesting "psuedo-facts" from what's happened so far...

Just a note: you contradict yourself in your first two paragraphs. Your own speculation is in fact rumor since speculation is based upon non-factual points.

[velocityidp]

Just a note: you contradict yourself in your first two paragraphs. Your own speculation is in fact rumor since speculation is based upon non-factual points.

Could be. But my speculation is based upon fairly well-known facts (i.e. the "breakup" and that Brian has joined the new band). I'm trying to logically piece together why those facts happened. I'm not claiming my speculation is true, so I'm not really spreading rumors. Rumors are "unverified information received from another." I'm not repeating any unverified information. I'm trying to explain known facts as I see it, not introduce false ones.

It's like the difference between saying "I think Michael Jackson molested those children because he has the psyche of a child" and "Micheal Jackson beat those children with a wodden stick." One is an opinion, and the other is baseless, unverified rumor.

Am I splitting hairs? Perhaps. Perhaps not. Like I said, it's my opinion -- my interpretation. It's not necessarily true, and it's not necessarily false. Take it or leave it.

[hayley]

I think I'll leave it thanks

[hayley]

I don't know, you don't know, we all don't know, so let's just shut the hell up

[velocityidp]

I don't know, you don't know, we all don't know, so let's just shut the hell up

It's called a message board. Duh. And by the way don't tell me you don't have your own opinions about what happened and why. I'm just writting mine down. So no, I'm not going to shut up... :rolleyes:

[hayley]

Yeah no shit it's called a message board. Duh. Of course I have my own opinions about this, I have already shared them.

Sorry I know you are taking your turn in this, I apologise, but it's just all this talk, it's what has caused the arguments, the tension, the hurting on this board. The sooner this is over the better, the sooner something is out from the band the happier I will be, look I apologise again, this has just really got to me today for some reason.

[shiver]

I think its a very good way to look at things. I personally think that Brian was a very good bass player, and the band sorely missed him when he left. I have also grown tired of Stapp, and think it would be very cool to see Mark, Brian, and Flip together again. Right now for all I care, Stapp could fall of the face of the earth and the only thing that would remind me of him is a very good MOP cd. But the one thing we do know is that something went wrong, and somebody left the band. It's just that the wrong somebody left the band. But I digress...

[Jooji_2]

Speculate all you want......I pass on this one.

[creedsister]

I don't know, you don't know, we all don't know, so let's just shut the hell up oh haley girl you took the words right out of my mouth THANk YOU :D :D

[creedsister]

:bump: :bump: :bump: :bump: It's called a message board. Duh. And by the way don't tell me you don't have your own opinions about what happened and why. I'm just writting mine down. So no, I'm not going to shut up... :rolleyes:

[velocityidp]

Sorry I know you are taking your turn in this, I apologise, but it's just all this talk, it's what has caused the arguments, the tension, the hurting on this board. The sooner this is over the better, the sooner something is out from the band the happier I will be, look I apologise again, this has just really got to me today for some reason.

No problem, I understand. As far as the other guy goes, I would not go so far as saying I hate Scott Stapp.... It's just that ever since Chicago I think of him in a different light. I really wish that Creed gets back together in the future (with all the members), but I think the only way it will happen is if Stapp becomes more emotionally/physically stable and defers more control to the other members of the band.

[creedsister]

No problem, I understand. As far as the other guy goes, I would not go so far as saying I hate Scott Stapp.... It's just that ever since Chicago I think of him in a different light. I really wish that Creed gets back together in the future (with all the members), but I think the only way it will happen is if Stapp becomes more emotionally/physically stable and defers more control to the other members of the band. :deadhorse

[hayley]

oh haley girl you took the words right out of my mouth THANk YOU :D :D

It just get's too much sometimes

[creedsister]

It just get's too much sometimes i know

[hayley]

No problem, I understand. As far as the other guy goes, I would not go so far as saying I hate Scott Stapp.... It's just that ever since Chicago I think of him in a different light. I really wish that Creed gets back together in the future (with all the members), but I think the only way it will happen is if Stapp becomes more emotionally/physically stable and defers more control to the other members of the band.

Ever since Chicago, I haven't lost respect for Stapp, I just feel sorry for him. Let's not even mention Chicago.

I know this is you sharing your opinions, but how can you say, "I think the only way it will happen is if Stapp becomes more emotionally/phisically stable" :wtf: Come on dude, you don't see it all behind the eyes of the band. You can't see into the hearts of their personal lives. You can't say that, if Stapp hasn't been "Emotionally and physically stable" Don't you think they would have left and done solo albums much more quickly than this? It just doesn't make sence to me what you are trying to say, how you are interpreting these things.

[creedsister]

Ever since Chicago, I haven't lost respect for Stapp, I just feel sorry for him. Let's not even mention Chicago.

I know this is you sharing your opinions, but how can you say, "I think the only way it will happen is if Stapp becomes more emotionally/phisically stable" :wtf: Come on dude, you don't see it all behind the eyes of the band. You can't see into the hearts of their personal lives. You can't say that, if Stapp hasn't been "Emotionally and physically stable" Don't you think they would have left and done solo albums much more quickly than this? It just doesn't make sence to me what you are trying to say, how you are interpreting these things. because haley shes a dumb :censored:

[hayley]

Uh-oh lol

[velocityidp]

It just doesn't make sence to me what you are trying to say, how you are interpreting these things.

Makes a lot of sense to me... I don't claim to know his heart -- nobody can but him. I'm just looking at what's happened. Were you at the Penn State Show? At Chicago? Haven't you noticed Stapp's voice faltering over the past few months? The fact that Mark/Stapp aren't talking to each other? The fact that the band is separating? I also think the amount of (dis)respect they get in the "rock community" is another factor that perhaps caused the separation. We all know fans and non-fans realize that Stapp has a bit of an ego... don't you think it's *possible* that it might be a factor?

Hey, I'm just thinking out loud here. I'm an old school Creed fan, but I'm not afraid to speak my mind. Oh, and creedsister, I'm a 24 yr old male. Not female. ;)

[Jez]

You spelled separating correctly.....matter of fact I think that you spelled every word in your post correctly. I think I love you. :cool:

[velocityidp]

You spelled separating correctly.....matter of fact I think that you spelled every word in your post correctly. I think I love you. :cool:

Huh? lol ;)

[hayley]

That's the thing, maybe you shouldn't think out loud so often.

No, I didn't go to Chicago, I live in New Zealand. I haven't heard any live concerts by Creed over the last few months, any interviews, or any recent audio from Scott Stapp, so I obviously wouldn't be able to notice his voice faltering.

The fact that Mark and Stapp aren't talking...fuck, here we go again. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, SO JUST LEAVE IT THE HELL ALONE!!!

And I don't think that it's a possibility, no, not really. The "rock community". Creed have had alot of critics, alot of bashers over the years, they have taken alot of crap for what they do, you think that some "disrespect" would worry them and lead to a break up? I seriously doubt it.

[velocityidp]

That's the thing, maybe you shouldn't think out loud so often.

Thinking out loud is great, especially on message boards. If you don't like me thinking out loud, why reply? It just gets me thinking more. :D

No, I didn't go to Chicago, I live in New Zealand.

You'd understand a little more if you were there. Penn State show too. The show was one thing, but Stapp's subsequent voicemails and letters to reporters, plus his appearances on shows like the Abrams Report -- where he completely denied being intoxicated and that he was just "expressing" himself -- was quite telling of his nature, as far as I'm concerned. Judging from that very high-profile and serious incident/response, I would conclude he's the kind of guy that doesn't like to admit he's wrong. Did that nature contribute to Creed's separation? I think it very well could have.

The fact that Mark and Stapp aren't talking...fuck, here we go again. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, SO JUST LEAVE IT THE HELL ALONE!!!

Well, if you believe Mark's brother (i.e. the info surrounding the Creed separation), then you have to believe everything he says. Micheal said that both Stapp and Mark "have gone their separate ways." Sounds fairly cut-and-dry to me.


And I don't think that it's a possibility, no, not really....you think that some "disrespect" would worry them and lead to a break up? I seriously doubt it.

Come now... if you're a musician and you consistently get negative reviews and popular *hatred* (not just disrespect) from a lot of rock fans, you don't think it has any effect at all? I think it had at least something to do with it.

[creedsister]

:ignore: Thinking out loud is great, especially on message boards. If you don't like me thinking out loud, why reply? It just gets me thinking more. :D



You'd understand a little more if you were there. Penn State show too. The show was one thing, but Stapp's subsequent voicemails and letters to reporters, plus his appearances on shows like the Abrams Report -- where he completely denied being intoxicated and that he was just "expressing" himself -- was quite telling of his nature, as far as I'm concerned. Judging from that very high-profile and serious incident/response, I would conclude he's the kind of guy that doesn't like to admit he's wrong. Did that nature contribute to Creed's separation? I think it very well could have.



Well, if you believe Mark's brother (i.e. the info surrounding the Creed separation), then you have to believe everything he says. Micheal said that both Stapp and Mark "have gone their separate ways." Sounds fairly cut-and-dry to me.




Come now... if you're a musician and you consistently get negative reviews and popular *hatred* (not just disrespect) from a lot of rock fans, you don't think it has any effect at all? I think it had at least something to do with it. :ignore: :ignore: :ignore: :horseshit

[hayley]

Thinking out loud is great, especially on message boards. If you don't like me thinking out loud, why reply? It just gets me thinking more. :D
I didn't say that you shouldn't think out loud, no kidding that's what message boards are for, but maybe you shouldn't think out loud as often as you do.

was a very telling of his nature, as far as I'm concerned. Judging from that very high-profile and serious incident, I would conclude he's the kind of guy that doesn't like to admit he's wrong.
Conclude, conclude, conclude. Is that really all you ever do? So maybe Stapp doesn't like to admit he's wrong. I haven't really taken that into consideration and thought that maybe he's one that acts like that, I highly doubt it, but you can think what you like.

Micheal said that both Stapp and Mark "have gone their separate ways." Sounds fairly cut-and-dry to me.
Yes but there's more to it. Things that we don't know.

Come now... if you're a musician and you consistently get negative reviews and popular *hatred* (not just disrespect) from a lot of rock fans, you don't think it has any effect at all? I think it had at least something to do with it.
Oh, you are talking about disrespect from the fans! I thought you were talking about getting that from the critics, etc. But wait a second, wait a second. You have picked up hatred, and disrespect from the fans. How much "hatred" have you picked up on, exactly?

There's no hatred and disrespect toward Scott, Flip, OR Mark, from true fans on this board. I know you didn't exactly mention this boad, but I'm just saying

[creedsister]

thats right

[velocityidp]

Yes but there's more to it. Things that we don't know.
Sure. But we've been told they have gone their separate ways. And if I'm not mistaken I think he also said they weren't talking (which is implicit in "separate ways" anyway). So that part is true.

Oh, you are talking about disrespect from the fans! I thought you were talking about getting that from the critics, etc.
From the critics and a lot of ROCK fans. Perhaps it's not that way in NZ, but there are tons of (dumb) people out here that simply HATE Creed.

[velocityidp]

thats right Brilliant :rolleyes:

[creedsister]

Brilliant :rolleyes: oh yes my sweet but not as brilliant as you oh can i please add you on my buddy list or better than that how about your Aim

[velocityidp]

oh yes my sweet but not as brilliant as you oh can i please add you on my buddy list or better than that how about your Aim

:confused:

[creedsister]

:confused: please do me a favor and shutup tonite which i know you wont But I promise i will always get the last word inn Just go and do something else really ive had it with you your like an insect that wont go away

[hayley]

Sure. But we've been told they have gone their separate ways. And if I'm not mistaken I think he also said they weren't talking (which is implicit in "separate ways" anyway). So that part is true.
I don't recall Michael saying that Stapp and Tremonti were not talking? Did I miss something there? Maybe he did, and I just missed out on that post.

From the critics and a lot of ROCK fans. Perhaps it's not that way in NZ, but there are tons of (dumb) people out here that simply HATE Creed.
There are defenitly Creed haters in New Zealand, plenty of them. So, what's your point? You think that Creed are going to be worried or bothered about people that hate them? Remember the saying, "Love us, or hate us". They don't care, that's the least of their worries. We, as fans, don't pick out EVERY SINGLE damn fault that our boys do, just the major ones. Or the ones that we feel are major. But we don't disrespect or hate them for that, we are just pointing it out to discuss the matter, to talk about it. No one is perfect, not all of Stapp's comments are going to be good, but that's life, and that's a fact. If we don't talk about these things, share how we feel, then how are we supposed to see the full Stapp? Just because we see his faults and discuss them, doesn't mean we don't like him, doesn't mean we have lost respect for him, that's just bullshit. We still love him with all our hearts, always will, weather he does something we don't really approve of or not.

[velocityidp]

We, as fans, don't pick out EVERY SINGLE damn fault that our boys do, just the major ones. Or the ones that we feel are major.

I'm mentioned stuff that's pretty major, I think.

If we don't talk about these things, share how we feel, then how are we supposed to see the full Stapp?

Exactly...

[Julbright]

Nicholas I know I am opening myself up for abuse but I have to agree that I have thought much of what you have said. I don't want to argue with anyone or get into it - but I do think it isn't wise to live with blinders on right now - there is something going on - it is serious -

as an aside it has always bothered me how Mark looked in one VH1 interview clip that they often ran on top of the OLB video when it was on the countdown - Scott starts talking about not being able to be away from Jagger for more than a week and it always looked to me that Mark was rolling his eyes with the crossed arms and such that you mentioned... always wondered what that was about - body language is the most powerful form of communication there is.

[hayley]

Exactly...

Well then what the hell are you moaning for

[hayley]

it has always bothered me how Mark looked in one VH1 interview clip that they often ran on top of the OLB video when it was on the countdown - Scott starts talking about not being able to be away from Jagger for more than a week and it always looked to me that Mark was rolling his eyes with the crossed arms and such that you mentioned... always wondered what that was about
Wow, he would roll his eyes when Stapp mentioned that about Jagger? :eek: What's that all about.

body language is the most powerful form of communication there is.
I agree with you on that one, Julbright!

[velocityidp]

but I do think it isn't wise to live with blinders on right now - there is something going on - it is serious -
I agree. I mean, this is serious stuff in terms of the music industry. Creed was the larget band in the world and they've separated. Something fairly serious had to happen. Bands don't just break up on a whim.

as an aside it has always bothered me how Mark looked in one VH1 interview clip
Yeah, that's one of those kind of interviews that I'm talking about... I always thought something just wasn't quite right.

Thanks for writing. ;)

[velocityidp]

Well then what the hell are you moaning for

Uhm, you started off moaning about me expressing my opinion "too much," then you said "If we don't talk about these things, share how we feel, then how are we supposed to see the full Stapp?"

All I've been saying is that it's good to "talk about these things" and "share how we feel" so that we can see the "full Stapp." Sounds like we both agree on that point. I'm not seeing the problem, here. :confused:

[facelessman]

:banana:

[Bridge of Clay]

oh, please... can someone make a smilie of that stupid banana being shot???

[musicmind226]

velocityidp, I agree with everything you have said thus far. Some people just don't want to think outside the box.

The truth is or could be truth is that the following things could of had a major influence to the seperatation of stapp and mark

-constant hate from the media, some fans and the genral public.

a good example would be just last night, any body here see last nights SNL? They were doing a mock american idol thing and had jason from 98 degees being like him with arms wide open and chest out singing higher. Then they had this voice going like we put up famous pop stars to see how talentless they are.

And mind people here more then not and how many times I have taken shit, that indeed 95% of the hatred of creed IS because of stapp and his cockyness. I mean, when your taking shit from every which way somethings going to give, no matter how much you put into the "hate us or love us" crud.



-The famous chicago incident

There are going to be so many people who will never forgive creed because of that night. and refere to my last point, the fans-hatred.

Think of it this way,

youre in a muti-platnum band, you have a singer that fucks up on stage and as a result some fans friggin SUE you, how would you feel? Think about it. Really, use your brain. You go to court, lawyers and all that non-sence.

-brian re-joing with mark and flip

I'm persoanlly extatic to see them jamming and making music again, nothing could make me more happier.

yea....I have said enough for now...

So, velocityidp how do you think this new band will be perceived?

[creedsister]

:bump: :bump: :bump: :bump: :bump: :bump: I agree. I mean, this is serious stuff in terms of the music industry. Creed was the larget band in the world and they've separated. Something fairly serious had to happen. Bands don't just break up on a whim.


Yeah, that's one of those kind of interviews that I'm talking about... I always thought something just wasn't quite right.

Thanks for writing. ;)

[Julbright]

[QUOTE=addicted2stapp]Wow, he would roll his eyes when Stapp mentioned that about Jagger? :eek: What's that all about.

Well I should not say with certainty he rolled his eyes - I will say that he looked unsettled, his eyes looked up at the ceiling, he seemed totally disinterested in what Scott was saying - my interpretation was the he was tired of hearing about it - or that Mark was tired of Scott being interviewed instead of the band. does that make sense?

[creedsister]

[QUOTE=addicted2stapp]Wow, he would roll his eyes when Stapp mentioned that about Jagger? :eek: What's that all about.

Well I should not say with certainty he rolled his eyes - I will say that he looked unsettled, his eyes looked up at the ceiling, he seemed totally disinterested in what Scott was saying - my interpretation was the he was tired of hearing about it - or that Mark was tired of Scott being interviewed instead of the band. does that make sense? does anything

[hayley]

Uhm, you started off moaning
Uhm, excuse me I wasn't moaning I was pissed off.

All I've been saying is that it's good to "talk about these things" and "share how we feel" so that we can see the "full Stapp."
Yeah, that's all you've been saying. :rolleyes: Look sorry don't worry I'm not going to express how I feel because we will just start arguing, just forget about it.

Sounds like we both agree on that point. I'm not seeing the problem, here. :confused:
Okay then, so let's just drop it. Peace.

velocityidp, I agree with everything you have said thus far. Some people just don't want to think outside the box.
If that was pointed at me, I do think outside the box, thank you very much. I have an open mind, I express my emotions and my opinions, if you don't like it, I don't care, deal with it. If that wasn't pointed at me, I apologise, but I got the impression it was.

my interpretation was the he was tired of hearing about it - or that Mark was tired of Scott being interviewed instead of the band. does that make sense?
Yes, that does make plenty of sense. Still strange though, I have only seen few Creed interviews, I guess that doesn't show much, but from the ones I have seen he does look fairly happy, but from your comment, that's not a nice thing to hear, that really sucks, I didn't think Mark would act like that, hmm.

does anything
Nope :D

[creedlvr]

Think of it this way,

youre in a muti-platnum band, you have a singer that fucks up on stage and as a result some fans friggin SUE you, how would you feel? Think about it. Really, use your brain. You go to court, lawyers and all that non-sence.
Well ... so much for standing by your friend! What about all the good that Scott has contributed? True ... a lot of people don't like Creed because of Stapp. However, a lot of people do like Creed ... because of Stapp.

[creedlvr]

Well I should not say with certainty he rolled his eyes - I will say that he looked unsettled, his eyes looked up at the ceiling, he seemed totally disinterested in what Scott was saying - my interpretation was the he was tired of hearing about it - or that Mark was tired of Scott being interviewed instead of the band. does that make sense?
I have noticed the same thing. I saw that clip on "Rock's Most Eligible Bachelors." I got the same impression ... either he's sick of hearing about Scott's son, or he's sick of Scott getting the spotlight. That clip has always bothered me.

I am not going to presume to know what Mark was thinking or feeling. I can only speak on what I saw ... and he clearly looked unenthusiastic. I'm sure I will get attacked by the die-hard Mark fans for what I'm about to say (or type) ... but IF this is the case, I think he needs to get over it! Like it or not, the frontman usually gets the most attention.

[DangerousDan85]

yeah i dont think he would be jealous of Scott getting the spotlight, i mean he said himself that he's pretty "introverted"

[hayley]

I think he needs to get over it! Like it or not, the frontman usually gets the most attention.

Yeah that's true. I wouldn't say that he needs to get over it, I don't know how much input Mark puts in when Creed are interviewed, but by the sounds of things, it's pretty low. But if Mark does come accross as rolling his eyes or looking unenthusiastic, I have to say that does dissapoint me to read that. These things are easy to pick up and can't be missed, so I was a little taken back when I read that. Didn't think he would show it on camera, thanks for sure.

[creedlvr]

Could be that he's just somewhat uncomfortable and just comes off that way.

[hayley]

Yeah I guess. You can interpret body communication in so many different ways, I would have to see the video to judge

[Bridge of Clay]

Mark looks like that in about 95% of the interviews, even when he's alone and when he's talking. That's just his way. He always said, as Dan posted, he doesn't like to be on the spotlight. (except when he's playing live! :D lol )

[hayley]

Oh, that's good to hear, then. Well not good, but better than some people getting the impression that he's unenthusiastic or he was rolling his eyes while Stapp was talking about Jagger, know what I mean?

That's a shame that he's like that

[hayley]

(except when he's playing live! :D lol )

haha there's not a doubt about that!

[Julbright]

I can honestly admit that I am not an expert on Mark, but that one clip is certainly odd and it has struck many of us the same way. I don't think it was an intentional look but a look nonetheless and for all I know the way they edit things it could have nothing to do with Scott talking or talking about Jagger or whatever. I can say however that it isn't Mark's best moment on camera and it leaves a lot of room for interpretation. Other interviews - even later on in that same interview Mark appears much different than he did at that moment.

[JenRN]

Everytime I have been in the pit, Mark always has this intense look on his face. He has an incredible smile when he does smile. But I think a lot of people look WAY too much into things. Sometimes you grasp at straws to figure out what is going on, but I just think someday it will all resolve itself. They are incredible musicians together and they will be incredible in thier projects as well. I am trying to not take sides here, I see points to both sides really.

[Kim V.]

I don't think I've been going through this with blinders on, so to speak, just wishing to hear official word (which we all know never came) before accepting the rumors as truth. I know it's "only a band", but Creed and their music have had such an impact on my life; seeing them live on NYE in Philly was one of the most exciting moments in my life. It makes me so depressed to think that a band that has meant so much to so many people might not play together again. I know, we've all heard so many different things; they're just doing solo projects, there's no time frame on this; they may indeed reunite some day, etc. I can't even begin to tell you how sad this makes me, and what makes me even sadder, in a strange kind of way, is seeing how easily most people on this bb and the Pit are taking it and moving on, like it's no big deal, even looking forward to Mark's new band, almost glad that Stapp's not in the picture......maybe I just don't adapt to change very well....I just thought we'd be hearing so much more from Creed in years to come, and the thought of that not happening sickens me. I pray that somehow, whatever happened between the guys, they can put aside their differences and work through them. Mark and Scott started Creed as good friends, making music that changed people's lives. Can they really throw all that away? The friendship? The magical music they created together? Is anyone else having a hard time with this the way I am? Peace.....

[Xterminator27]

to long didnt read

[hayley]

Is anyone else having a hard time with this the way I am? Peace.....

You are DEFENITLY not alone with how you feel, Kim V. I know exactly how you are feeling, and the thought that they might never put out another album, might never tour again and perform together as Creed for their fans, sickens me also. I have said before that I can't imagine my life without Creed, and now that that may be just the case, I can't seem to get my head around it, I really can't, it hasn't sunk in properly because Creed have had such an impact on my life, who I am. And about Creed being "Only a band". I have had family, friends, even enimies say that to me, that they are only a band, but they can't possibly understand. I am an absolutley obssessed Creed fan, and I am proud of it. (I could have a worse obsession). Creed have made me feel more complete about myself, and to know that they might no longer be around, to produce more of their magic, it scares me and I am left feeling empty and hollow. There are days when I think "Holy crap they are no longer a band", I get flashes of reality, and it's just daunting to even think more. This has taken apart of me, it has broke my heart.

But, we DO have their solo projects too look forward too, we have got to see the bright side of this, it did take me ahwile to see it, but now I have, and it's looking better.

[hayley]

to long didnt read

You don't know how much I laughed when I read that

[creedsister]

to long didnt read i know it that happens from time to time dosent haha

[DangerousDan85]

to long didnt read

and they say Americans are lazy :laugh:

[JenRN]

I don't think I've been going through this with blinders on, so to speak, just wishing to hear official word (which we all know never came) before accepting the rumors as truth. I know it's "only a band", but Creed and their music have had such an impact on my life; seeing them live on NYE in Philly was one of the most exciting moments in my life. It makes me so depressed to think that a band that has meant so much to so many people might not play together again. I know, we've all heard so many different things; they're just doing solo projects, there's no time frame on this; they may indeed reunite some day, etc. I can't even begin to tell you how sad this makes me, and what makes me even sadder, in a strange kind of way, is seeing how easily most people on this bb and the Pit are taking it and moving on, like it's no big deal, even looking forward to Mark's new band, almost glad that Stapp's not in the picture......maybe I just don't adapt to change very well....I just thought we'd be hearing so much more from Creed in years to come, and the thought of that not happening sickens me. I pray that somehow, whatever happened between the guys, they can put aside their differences and work through them. Mark and Scott started Creed as good friends, making music that changed people's lives. Can they really throw all that away? The friendship? The magical music they created together? Is anyone else having a hard time with this the way I am? Peace.....

BELIEVE ME, I am upset over this and wish it was not true. But what is getting all bent out of shape and upset going to do? NOTHING!!!! In the last few months of my life I have had MUCH bigger things to get upset and devestated about trust me! I wish Creed was together as much if not more than a lot of you. They were my saving grace for so many years, and "escape" for me. But I refuse to get myself all bent out of shape over it, my psyche can't take anymore sadness!
I just choose to "go with the flow" what other choice do any of us have anyways? Getting upset and racking our brains over what happened is not going to get them back together. I have and ALWAYS will have a deep burning love and desire for STAPP, that will never change. But I like the rest of the band members as well. They would not of been CREED as we knew it without all of them. So I wish them well and hope they are happy, I have learned that simple things like happiness are precious and so important in life. So if they go on to do seperate things then so be it. Yes it is sad, and it lets me down, I wanted so bad to go to see another tour this year. But that is just not going to happen. Creed has given me so much even if they were around for a short time. The great friendships, the incredible music, the "escape" I will always be grateful to them.

[Sheila63]

All of this makes me sad too. Creed has brought so much to my life in the last 2 years - great friends, music that makes me feel better and comforts me when I'm down, brings me to new heights of happiness when I'm feeling good and helped me to grow and change as a person. Like Kim V. said, seeing them on NYE in 2002 was one of the best nights of my life. I will cherish and remember that night for as long as I live. So, yes, at times, it makes me sad. But, like Jen, I'm doing my best just to go with the flow and I look forward to their solo projects. I think all of them are awesome but it was Stapp that drew me into the band and I will always follow him. With that, I also plan to buy Mark's cd and if any of them tour, I'll be there. And yes, I hope at some point in the future, they get back together again to create the musical magic that is Creed. More than anything I want them to be happy and healthy.

[hayley]

I just choose to "go with the flow" what other choice do any of us have anyways? Getting upset and racking our brains over what happened is not going to get them back together.

I know. I now realise that, when I first heard the news, I was devestated, I still am, but not to the extent that I was when I first heard the news. So I mean we can only look forward to what is to come now, the boys can only go forward, and we are all going to be behind them ALL THE WAY!!! :D :jam:

[titanguy9]

AHH just let tremonti dicover is inner singing voice and the new band will be unstoppable!! MUHAHAA!

[titanguy9]

Maybe If We Play Scotts Album And Tremontis Album At The Same Time, Theyll Link And It Will Be A Ultimate Creed Album!! Muhahahaa

[hayley]

No

[Bridge of Clay]

No

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

[hayley]

lol it was just the way he said that

[Bridge of Clay]

yeah, but your way was really funny as well! It reminded of me and my friends! :)

[hayley]

haha why's that?

[Bridge of Clay]

well... whenever someone tried to make a joke, even if it's funny, we pretend we're all serious and say "no" and don't laugh... so the guy makes a shitty face! hahauhauha

nevermind, we're weirds! heh

[hayley]

lol. Well I'm that way sorta, I always say, "Um, how about no" In a "tone" Whenever someone tries to be funny, or tries to act funny. That's my way of laughing at people j/k. :D

[Bridge of Clay]

yeah, it's a great one, isn't it? ;)

[hayley]

Aren't we mean friends :laugh:

[Bridge of Clay]

talk about yourself!!! hehehehe :D j/k

[hayley]

lol ;)