Mtv Sucks

[jrsman12]

VH1 forever. MTV is all about R&B and rap and hip hop, VH1 is about rock----real music. I could care less about MTV and whether or not they feature Creed, VH1 does, and that is because VH1 is about music, not a bunch of losers jumping up and down and swearing every other word really fast. Music first!!!!!!!!


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[Read JDM]

I agree that VH1 is better than MTV, though whether they show Creed on MTV isn't part of the reason why. I think MTV is a political machine with a woefully one-sided agenda. I also don't like how MTV always has to talk about how great MTV is, like when they show all these documentaries about their history and all. Coincidentally, it's the same reason I'm not too keen on rap music: Rappers, by and large, seem to rap only about the fact that they're rappers, and that gets annoying after awhile. I can't identify with that. I can identify with Creed.

[jrsman12]

Good point
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[Weathered]

i agree

[Aimee]

VH1 Behind the Music!!!
:dancing:
Nuff Said

[Unforgiven Fan]

MTV represents the corperate youth culture...and that side of culture is not good and horrible. They try to apeall to many people..young children that want the pop and the people who want the rap and hip-hop. MTV can not really cross the lines like VH1 does becuase of MTV wide range of audience ages. VH1 is still basically on the principle that music is first and how music effects the culture. MTV is not Music Television it is CTV..Crap Television...

[SweetXtreme4]

I know I hate MTV anymore, they have the dumbest shows on there. I watch VH1 alot more now. MTV is nothing but shows what ever happend to the videos?!?!?





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[Unforgiven Fan]

fat cats who own the network wanted more money so they try to appeal to a larger audience by creating shows the are beyond the relm of music and what they think what the culture of today wants to watch.

[Dogstar]

I say turn off the TV and turn up the music. Would much rather LISTEN to music than *watch* it. No cable for me, so no MTV or VH1. No great loss.

[Read JDM]

Dogstar, while I like watching a music video every once in awhile, for the most part I definitely agree with you. I remember Steven Tyler of Aerosmith once said (I believe in a commercial for MTV, no less) that he was angry he had to paint a picture for his music to get across to people. I think he's got a great point. MTV has contributed greatly to today's youth being a generation that communicates through things visual. And while there's nothing wrong with visual communication, in and of itself, I worry sometimes whether some people weaned on MTV even have the capacity to communicate (or care) otherwise.

[Aimee]

MTV is nothing but shows what ever happend to the videos?!?!?
They all went onto Mtv2- You know, the one you have to PAY for.
BTW Dogstar, I don't have cable neither. But I do miss the Discovery channel! :D

[TeriB19]

MTV was only good 25 years ago when it was all commercial free. All videos all the time. It died for me when they started commercials and shows.

[Dogstar]

Originally posted by Read JDM
Dogstar, while I like watching a music video every once in awhile, for the most part I definitely agree with you. I remember Steven Tyler of Aerosmith once said (I believe in a commercial for MTV, no less) that he was angry he had to paint a picture for his music to get across to people.  

Yes, I agree. I've downloaded a few Creed vids, too, and enjoy them. I think visual communication can be useful in the right context. I don't want anybody, even the author, painting a visual picture for me of his or her music. I want to interpret as I see it. That's the beauty of music and words: they evoke different interpretations for different people.

Aimee....I miss ESPN!

[Rolo1446]

MTV = Teenage control device

MTV is about telling us what to wear, how to think, who to follow, what's hot, what's not, and who to model ourselves after, all the while making HUGE profits from merchandise sales. The most profitable sales can be made from obviously hitting up the most merchandisable music markets -- rap and pop ... Rap sells from rappers talking about their brands, clothing, what they like, what's cool...pop sells from pure mass hysteria due to peer pressure...caps, shoes, watches, clothing, heck, even games ... (**shudder** may Britney's Dance Beat burn in PS2 Hell...)

Has anyone ever heard a respectable rock band sing about wearing platinum rings with platinum chains, along with their Fubu's, or riding they're Bentleys, or backing that proverbial "azz up", or about how they "Oops, Did It Again"?

(Yes, I realize I'm being excessively stereotypical, not all rap/pop music is about making money, but most of it is...)

I mean, is Britney really about her music or making money? What about N'Sync? Bah.

MTV is about making money. VH1 is about good music, with a message.
Rap/Pop is about making money. Rock is about good music, with a message.

Any questions? :cool:

[Read JDM]

Originally posted by Dogstar
I don't want anybody, even the author, painting a visual picture for me of his or her music.

To that end, I think it's safe to draw this analogy: Videos are to music what movie adaptations are to books, which is to say they exist for the sole purpose of stealing the soul from true works of art. Usually. There are some exceptions, but, by and large, this holds true.

[Read JDM]

Originally posted by Rolo1446
I mean, is Britney really about her music or making money? What about N'Sync? Bah.

But let's be fair. Britney and N'Suck don't even count as music. They're 100% pure products of commercialization. Rap at least comes from somewhere, and existed as a culture before it existed as a product. Without MTV or radio or Pepsi commercials, Britney would cease to have ever existed, or would've been relegated to off-Broadway shows or the Dallas Cowboys' sidelines.

[Mulletman]

thats true

[Dogstar]

Originally posted by Read JDM
To that end, I think it's safe to draw this analogy: Videos are to music what movie adaptations are to books, which is to say they exist for the sole purpose of stealing the soul from true works of art. Usually. There are some exceptions, but, by and large, this holds true.

Which is why I won't go see movies made of my favorite books.

[Read JDM]

Originally posted by Dogstar
Which is why I won't go see movies made of my favorite books.

Nor will I. Except for Jaws. I liked the book better, but the movie had its moments (and yes, I'm talking about the theme song).

[Dogstar]

I'll give you that one. One of my favorite books is The Shipping News. I had my own vision of the characters and I couldn't bring myself to see the movie even though I love the story.

[Read JDM]

Oh, I remember the Shipping News. I never read the book, nor have I seen the movie, but I vaguely remember what it was supposed to be about. Who's it by? I'll check it out.

[Dogstar]

E. Annie Proulx...the cadence of the writing is a bit jarring at first, but once you get used to it, it's great. It's a gem. I believe it won a Pulitzer.

[Read JDM]

Thanks. I'll check it out for sure.

[Unforgiven Fan]

look at this..MTV plays the new slutty, whorey video by the princess of trashness Christina and they did not want to play Bullets by Creed..what is worst Christina acting like a whore promoting the wrong ideas of women or Creed saying, not in literial terms, "shoot a bullet through my head"....

[allison]

Doesn't MTV own VH1?

[Unforgiven Fan]

MTV and VH1 are owned, I belive, by Viacom company..

[jrsman12]

You obviously have no grasp for the message in the song Bullets, as I believe that's what you're refering to. He is not saying shoot me, he's saying know the facts before you judge someone and criticize them. The whole meaning of the song is anti-prejudice.
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[allison]

Originally posted by Unforgiven Fan
MTV and VH1 are owned, I belive, by Viacom company..

Oh, I see, they are just owned by the same company, but neither owns the other. :idea:

[Read JDM]

MTV owns VH1, and you and me, and everything ever, because they're like so totally cool, and I really, really, really hope Carson plays Fly because Sugar Ray is like sooooo totally cute and that song reminds me of last summer.

[allison]

LOL.

So MTV owns VH1? I wonder why none of the discrimination towards Creed that MTV dishes out doesn't come from VH1 as well? Or does it?

[Pittock]

I get very disappointed whenever I turn on MTV and its all rap. It used to be music television. Now it is rap television. I'd much rather watch VH1.

[Lady Valkyrie]

VH-1 is great for getting info on artists and bands and for the few videos they do show. MTV SUCKS! MTV-2 is kewl! I like it because they give equal time to all genres of music.

[Aimee]

Allison,
That's a good question. Maybe the difference has to do with the actual programmers. I'm only guessing but I'd think that just because the same huge corporation owns the two doesn't mean the predjudices of the people who work there are the same?

[allison]

Originally posted by Aimee
Allison,  
That's a good question.  Maybe the difference has to do with the actual programmers.  I'm only guessing but I'd think that just because the same huge corporation owns the two doesn't mean the predjudices of the people who work there are the same?

But Read JDM said that MTV owns VH1, right? hmmmmm:confused:

[Siana]

The European VH1 is great...MTV sux all the time

[jrsman12]

To set the record straight:
MTV and VH1 are owned by the same parent company, just as Time magazine and Warner Bros. Entertainment and CNN are all owned by Time/Warner. This does not mean they have the same editors, the same views, or even much of anything in common at all. The same applies here. Both Maliciously Terrible Vomit(MTV), and Vh1 are owned by Viacom. They are, however, not affiliated an any way other than that.
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