who cares about chart positions?

[creediscool17]

seriously... why do you care if creed is on charts like billboard or amazon or whatever. it doesn't mean anything. miley cyrus and the jonas brothers have had several number one hits... does that mean their good? the best bands these days do not occupy the charts, because they don't care about charts, they care about making good music. coldplay sells way more records than radiohead, yet they owe all their success to radiohead because their basically a cheap ripoff of them.

charts, sales, and publicity mean nothing now. like i said... miley cyrus. no matter what you find on creed about their chart positions or album sales just remember miley cyrus has at least doubled it, and im sure nickelback has as well, (and their terrible). lets just talk about the integrity of the music, that is fine enough for me.

[King Oropher]

I'd like to see the boys get more No.1s to add to the rest.
I feel Full Circle will go platinum.

[BSC]

May I just say Nickelback have only sold 30 millions records worldwide, whereas Creed have sold 35 million records worldwide.

Please get your facts straight before you post a thread criticising people's opinions.

[Tremontiriffs77]

seriously... why do you care if creed is on charts like billboard or amazon or whatever. it doesn't mean anything. miley cyrus and the jonas brothers have had several number one hits... does that mean their good? the best bands these days do not occupy the charts, because they don't care about charts, they care about making good music. coldplay sells way more records than radiohead, yet they owe all their success to radiohead because their basically a cheap ripoff of them.

charts, sales, and publicity mean nothing now. like i said... miley cyrus. no matter what you find on creed about their chart positions or album sales just remember miley cyrus has at least doubled it, and im sure nickelback has as well, (and their terrible). lets just talk about the integrity of the music, that is fine enough for me.
-Ok
-LOL....Nikelback has sold that many albums over the course of like 6 or 7 albums as where Creed did it in three
-Miley Cirrus and Jonas Brothers sell records because they enjoy the backing of Disney's media monster..Do you know how many people watch the Disney Channel or visit the Theme Parks...Hahaha...if Creed dropped songs with Disneys help they would go quadruple platinum..;p;

[nagpo]

I'd like to see the boys get more No.1s to add to the rest.
I feel Full Circle will go platinum.
I really hope so. I wan't them to sell as much as they used to. MOP and Weathered both sold 6 mil. I'd be satisfied if Full Circle did as well.

[revisfoot]

Guys, let's be realistic -- this album will sell 1-2 million, TOPS. The music industry is so much different today than it was in 2000-2002. They won't sell 6 million records again, it's just not going to happen.

[nagpo]

Im going to remain optimistic. I'm not saying it will but I hope it will.

[creediscool17]

-Ok
-LOL....Nikelback has sold that many albums over the course of like 6 or 7 albums as where Creed did it in three
-Miley Cirrus and Jonas Brothers sell records because they enjoy the backing of Disney's media monster..Do you know how many people watch the Disney Channel or visit the Theme Parks...Hahaha...if Creed dropped songs with Disneys help they would go quadruple platinum..;p;


ok you obviously missed the point of the post. i dont know exactly how many albums nickelback has sold, what i do know is that i haven't turned on the radio in the last 10 years without hearing one of their new awful songs on the radio in constant rotation. they have seriously released a new song every 2 months for the last 8-10 years or however they've been around.

my point was that record sales mean nothing, absolutely nothing. mastodon released an incredible album this year called "crack the skye" that sold maybe a few hundred thousand copies, does that mean that it sucks? no, that means that it just doesn't appeal to a large mass of people. like i said, coldplay sells way more records than radiohead, what do you have to say about that? please don't tell me you think coldplay is better than radiohead, or you have no absolutely no credibility in the music world.

oh by the way, nickelback sold about as many albums as creed, they have released 6 albums but their newest one, "dark horse" is their 4th since silver side up, which was their breakthrough album, before that no one even knew who they were. theyve basically sold the same as creed.

[pricey.21]

How are Nickelback rubbish though? Latest album isn't brilliant but the others are.

[Redeemer]

Oh god, Nickelback. But anyway, record sales are going to become more and more unreliable in determining a band's worth. Think about how many people are downloading albums instead of going to the CD store (are there even music stores still open? All the ones in NYC are shutting down) or Amazon.com or the iTunes store and actually buying a copy. So there might be, oh, say, nearly a million (random figure) people who are fans of said band, but they just did not buy the album for whatever reason they choose.

That is a demographic that takes away from album sales. So sure, back in the early 2000's, Creed went double platinum or whatever y'all say (I really do not keep track of such stats so I am piggybacking here). But if 'Full Circle' does not reach the same heights, there are likely two possible reasons -- 1) people stopped giving a shit or 2) more people downloaded the album than bought it.

So maybe chart positions really do not mean shit, despite whatever the thread-starter said about Nickelback.

[creed_fdj83]

I personally think Nickelback is trash, but I'm sure there are some bands that I like that others think suck.

[pricey.21]

Yes probably, but it's the same with anyone really. I've seen Nickelback 3 times now and they're a good band but im not much for the singles they bring out and thats why most people don't like them.

[nickmiller71]

The new album will sell probably 2 million tops. It will probably take about a year or a little more for it to go platinum. The music industry and sales figures are so much different than what they were when Creed entered the scene. When Creed made it big, they were the cat's meow. Their sound was new, fresh, and appealing to a large audience. Now that kids like Miley Cyrus and Taylor Swift have literally taken over the industry recently, Creed and bands like them obviously aren't in "fashion" any longer. Let's just forget about the sales and focus on the music, because at this point in the game, nothing else really matters anymore. No matter who you are as a musician nowadays, you're going to have to face the simple fact that you're not going to be able to top the new pop princesses and princes because the bulk of music sales will continue to go to them.

[BSC]

ok you obviously missed the point of the post. i dont know exactly how many albums nickelback has sold, what i do know is that i haven't turned on the radio in the last 10 years without hearing one of their new awful songs on the radio in constant rotation. they have seriously released a new song every 2 months for the last 8-10 years or however they've been around.

my point was that record sales mean nothing, absolutely nothing. mastodon released an incredible album this year called "crack the skye" that sold maybe a few hundred thousand copies, does that mean that it sucks? no, that means that it just doesn't appeal to a large mass of people. like i said, coldplay sells way more records than radiohead, what do you have to say about that? please don't tell me you think coldplay is better than radiohead, or you have no absolutely no credibility in the music world.

oh by the way, nickelback sold about as many albums as creed, they have released 6 albums but their newest one, "dark horse" is their 4th since silver side up, which was their breakthrough album, before that no one even knew who they were. theyve basically sold the same as creed.

If you don't know how many albums Nickelback have sold then why state that they've doubled Creed's figures? Also in your last paragraph you say Nickelback have sold about as many albums as Creed, but once again, why did you say they doubled Creed's figures in your first post?

Oh, and they've actually released 8 albums.

Hesher
Curb
The State
Silver Side Up
The Long Road
Three Sided Coin
All The Right Reasons
Dark Horse

[Icedmofo]

The sad thing about creed returning is that they brought all the immature trollers back to the forums lol.

[Redeemer]

I second that emotion.

[creediscool17]

If you don't know how many albums Nickelback have sold then why state that they've doubled Creed's figures? Also in your last paragraph you say Nickelback have sold about as many albums as Creed, but once again, why did you say they doubled Creed's figures in your first post?

Oh, and they've actually released 8 albums.

Hesher
Curb
The State
Silver Side Up
The Long Road
Three Sided Coin
All The Right Reasons
Dark Horse

why is it hesher and three sided coin are not listed in their album discography? hesher had like 10,000 copies made and its almost impossible to find it anywhere. that doesn't matter what demos they put out or whatever the point of the argument was that nickelback have sold about just as many albums as creed and you can't count some EP or demo bullshit that they recorded 5 years before they became famous into their sales, its not even for sale anywhere.

[creediscool17]

* The best-selling album of 2000 was No Strings Attached, by *NSYNC.[41]
* The best-selling album of 2001 was Hybrid Theory, by Linkin Park.[41]
* The best-selling album of 2002 was The Eminem Show, by Eminem.[42]
* The best-selling album of 2003 was Get Rich or Die Tryin', by 50 Cent.[43]
* The best-selling album of 2004 was Confessions, by Usher.[44]
* The best-selling album of 2005 was The Emancipation of Mimi, by Mariah Carey.[39]
* The best-selling album of 2006 was High School Musical Soundtrack.[38]
* The best-selling album of 2007 was Noel, by Josh Groban.[45]
* The best-selling album of 2008 was Tha Carter III, by Lil Wayne.[46]


i rest my case.. garbage.

[BSC]

why is it hesher and three sided coin are not listed in their album discography? hesher had like 10,000 copies made and its almost impossible to find it anywhere. that doesn't matter what demos they put out or whatever the point of the argument was that nickelback have sold about just as many albums as creed and you can't count some EP or demo bullshit that they recorded 5 years before they became famous into their sales, its not even for sale anywhere.

Hesher was an album made back in '96, it sold... So I guess that counts towards sales?

Three Sided Coin is a greatist hits CD released in Japan, it sold.. So I guess that also counts towards sales?

Also 5 million albums is a pretty big difference. In your second post (I think it was) you said they sold twice as many... You don't seem very informed..

[Prog]

Are we seriously talking about Nickelback? Seriously?

http://www.collegehumor.com/article:1792877

[rabidgopher04]

The most damning evidence against Nickelback is this infamous clip: http://musicforants.com/assets/vs/How%20You%20Remind%20Me%20Of%20Someday.mp3

[creediscool17]

The most damning evidence against Nickelback is this infamous clip: http://musicforants.com/assets/vs/How%20You%20Remind%20Me%20Of%20Someday.mp3


yeah that is just terrible... someone did that with a few linkin park songs once too.. its just mass produced crap, most bands follow a formula with their music but not down to every last second.


and yes prog... we are talking about nickelback... why the hell not? there is nothing else to talk about on this board no one ever posts. i was using nickelback as an example for my point and somehow we kept talking about how awful they are.

[nagpo]

there is nothing else to talk about on this board no one ever posts.
Wow, you should have been around when creed wasn't back. This place was dead. It only had a few loyal posters. Now there is a lot more people and a lot more discussion going on compared to before.

Im sure there will be even more to talk about in the weeks to come!

[BSC]

The most damning evidence against Nickelback is this infamous clip: http://musicforants.com/assets/vs/How%20You%20Remind%20Me%20Of%20Someday.mp3

With respect, I don't understand how putting two songs together which sound the same that big of a deal...

There are alot of other Nickelback songs, and i'm sure I could do that with Creed a few times, infact i'm sure ALOT of bands have two songs that sound the same.

[creediscool17]

Hesher was an album made back in '96, it sold... So I guess that counts towards sales?

Three Sided Coin is a greatist hits CD released in Japan, it sold.. So I guess that also counts towards sales?

Also 5 million albums is a pretty big difference. In your second post (I think it was) you said they sold twice as many... You don't seem very informed..


i dont seem very informed? i dont think you seem very well read... if you read my original post i obviously wasn't saying that nickelback has sold twice as many albums as creed... i was talking about how their new song "overcome" is doing well but at the same time nickelback is probably selling twice as many albums RIGHT NOW... lets see what happens with "full circle" i doubt itll sell half of nickelbacks latest album has.

i was obviously exaggerating anyway and you took it way to seriously. a greatest hits cd sold in japan? why the hell would that count that album isn't even on wikipedia under their discography... and hesher sold 10,000 copies total, then the production was cut, so no i dont consider that to count when were talking ten's of millions of albums sold... like i said chad kroeger has actually tried to get that album off of shelves because hes "ashamed" of it... i dont know why maybe because it actually has some creativity?

point being, nickelback sold a shit load of records with 4 shitty albums, just like creed sold a shit load of records with 3 albums that were WAYYY better than nickelback... so record sales mean nothing. High school musical sold the most records a few years ago.... your gonna tell me that was the best album of that year... im pretty sure TOOL and Radiohead had an album out that year.

[Icedmofo]

It should also be noted in that mash up, not that it really makes it any better, that when Someday was overlapped it was sped up almost 1/3 faster and the key was raised so that it could match how you remind me.

So all is not as it seems. I'm sure you could do that with almost any band if you slowed things down/sped things up and changed the key.

[Agent D]

Haha this guy finally begins a thread with a very well-thought out post and everyone jumps on him for his lack of Nickelback knowledge.

[creve]

Whichever way you look at it, that Nickelback clip is amazing. They literally took their own song and copied it. If they could sue themselves, they probably would've been able to.

But then again a lot of successful rock bands do it. I remember when My Sacrifice came out a lot of people were saying that it's like Higher part. 2 in the structure and the way it sounds, but I really disagree with that.

[TrulyAmazing]

Haha this guy finally begins a thread with a very well-thought out post and everyone jumps on him for his lack of Nickelback knowledge.
i know it good posting does not grow on trees and i love all of our posters who takes their time and efford here :banana: :ya,all it happens so all i say is peace be wit us post on avoid kidney punches to each other :rockon:

[Icedmofo]

In point of fact:

My sacrifice, To Whom It May Concern, and Broken Wings all have the same EXACT chords for the chorus.

Someday and How You Remind Me are in different keys and tempo, the clip just speeds Someday up and raises the key to MAKE it match how you remind me.

My Sacrifice, To Whom It May Concern, and Broken Wings are in different tunings on guitar, but all the choruses are the exact same chords in the exact same keys.

Just playing devil's advocate on this one.

[creediscool17]

In point of fact:

My sacrifice, To Whom It May Concern, and Broken Wings all have the same EXACT chords for the chorus.

Someday and How You Remind Me are in different keys and tempo, the clip just speeds Someday up and raises the key to MAKE it match how you remind me.

My Sacrifice, To Whom It May Concern, and Broken Wings are in different tunings on guitar, but all the choruses are the exact same chords in the exact same keys.

Just playing devil's advocate on this one.


same chords? same keys? heard of greenday? they've been playing the same three chords for 20 years in every song, every verse, and every chorus.

every band uses the same chords, its not that.. those two nickelback songs had the same intro (acoustic) same exact vocal entrance, and the same drum build up and the same distorted chorus sound... same same same. also theres a difference between creed-alterbridge and nickelback.... myles kennedy and scott stapp ACTUALLY CHANGE THEIR VOICE. if its a slow emotional song like broken wings myles kennedy sounds emotional.. if its a fast heavy paced song he sings faster with a higher pitched voice, accenting the emotion given with the music.

chad kroeger... uses the same voice... in every song. every..single...song.

no matter what the tempo, tone, or volume of the song... heavy or soft, loud or quiet... he uses that same annoying voice. has he once used vibrato in a song? like actual singing? he just YELLS. nickelback is TERRIBLE. period.

[BSC]

Jesus christ. Your just contradicting yourself.

First you say he doesn't change his voice, and then you say when he does he just yells?!?!

You don't like Nickelback, we get it. Leave it at that? Your opinions are poorly backed up. It's obvious you don't listen to Nickelback, because if you did. You wouldn't be saying what you've just said.

[Icedmofo]

every band uses the same chords, its not that.. those two nickelback songs had the same intro (acoustic) same exact vocal entrance, and the same drum build up and the same distorted chorus sound... same same same.


The same could be said of Is This The End and One Last Breath. Both start with a soft finger picked intro, then a clean chorus, then build in the rest of the band, then have a distorted chorus into a more dramatic bridge and then into a clean chorus, then repeating the chorus again with the full band and distortion.


My point isn't that other bands do it, it's that ALL bands do it to some extent, so your argument of nickelback is a poor one because all bands repeat not only chords, but structure, vocal quality, and rhythm on at least 1/4 of their material.

Very few bands have a song that after you hear it you can say they have no other song in their entire repertoire that is in any way similar.

It's not a bad thing, it's called style.

Chad Kroeger may have a style you don't like, but it's simpler for you to just say you dont' like the quality of his voice than to make a poorly supported argument to make yourself sound intelligent when the same point could be made for many other bands.

You telling me the lead singer for AC/DC is bad because he doesn't sing with vibrato? He sounds pretty much the same on everything but it's still kickass because that's his style and his signature.

Where's the line? David Draiman of Disturbed has two parts to his voice that he sings in, the melodic, and the screamed part. I like the screamed part and i hate when he sings without it, does that make him a bad singer? Or is that just his style? A lot of Disturbed's music is very similar, frequently the entire song is distorted, does that make their music bad? Or is that just their style? Is two parts to your voice not enough to make you good? Or is that just your style?

Is Chad Kroeger somewhat of a one trick pony? Sure. Do i like Nickelback's music? No. But there are some AWFUL singer/songwriters out there that can't hold a key or string together a decent lyrical sentence, and he can, and he's one smart ass business man, regardless of what you think of his music.

Not everyone is born with a versatile voice. You have what you are given the day you walk onto this planet. Some people can't sing with vibrato whatsoever, all they can do is straight tone. Some people have no control over their vibrato. Some people have a really fast vibrato that makes them sounds like a tweeting bird and it's really fucking ugly. Some people are born with perfect pitch, some aren't. Chad Kroeger was born with a really good rasp to his voice, but he's unable to sing without it.

Look up Raul Esparza, he's a broadway actor. He has an amazing voice when he sings straight tone, but he has a naturally fast vibrato when he sings, and i think it sounds terrible when he let's his voice go there. There's the possibility that Chad Kroeger maybe has a vibrato and it just sounds awful naturally, so for the style of music he writes it's better for him to not even make the attempt.


Anyway, if you hate cheesy lyrics, just say that. If you hate his voice and the way it sounds, just say that. Don't make some convoluted argument based on made up facts without putting any contrast whatsoever to any point you make and expect us to think you're smart for it. Especially when you clearly know nothing about vocal technique or the physical aspects that go along with determining what someone's voice sounds like and why.

[creediscool17]

The same could be said of Is This The End and One Last Breath. Both start with a soft finger picked intro, then a clean chorus, then build in the rest of the band, then have a distorted chorus into a more dramatic bridge and then into a clean chorus, then repeating the chorus again with the full band and distortion.


My point isn't that other bands do it, it's that ALL bands do it to some extent, so your argument of nickelback is a poor one because all bands repeat not only chords, but structure, vocal quality, and rhythm on at least 1/4 of their material.

Very few bands have a song that after you hear it you can say they have no other song in their entire repertoire that is in any way similar.

It's not a bad thing, it's called style.

Chad Kroeger may have a style you don't like, but it's simpler for you to just say you dont' like the quality of his voice than to make a poorly supported argument to make yourself sound intelligent when the same point could be made for many other bands.

You telling me the lead singer for AC/DC is bad because he doesn't sing with vibrato? He sounds pretty much the same on everything but it's still kickass because that's his style and his signature.

Where's the line? David Draiman of Disturbed has two parts to his voice that he sings in, the melodic, and the screamed part. I like the screamed part and i hate when he sings without it, does that make him a bad singer? Or is that just his style? A lot of Disturbed's music is very similar, frequently the entire song is distorted, does that make their music bad? Or is that just their style? Is two parts to your voice not enough to make you good? Or is that just your style?

Is Chad Kroeger somewhat of a one trick pony? Sure. Do i like Nickelback's music? No. But there are some AWFUL singer/songwriters out there that can't hold a key or string together a decent lyrical sentence, and he can, and he's one smart ass business man, regardless of what you think of his music.

Not everyone is born with a versatile voice. You have what you are given the day you walk onto this planet. Some people can't sing with vibrato whatsoever, all they can do is straight tone. Some people have no control over their vibrato. Some people have a really fast vibrato that makes them sounds like a tweeting bird and it's really fucking ugly. Some people are born with perfect pitch, some aren't. Chad Kroeger was born with a really good rasp to his voice, but he's unable to sing without it.

Look up Raul Esparza, he's a broadway actor. He has an amazing voice when he sings straight tone, but he has a naturally fast vibrato when he sings, and i think it sounds terrible when he let's his voice go there. There's the possibility that Chad Kroeger maybe has a vibrato and it just sounds awful naturally, so for the style of music he writes it's better for him to not even make the attempt.


Anyway, if you hate cheesy lyrics, just say that. If you hate his voice and the way it sounds, just say that. Don't make some convoluted argument based on made up facts without putting any contrast whatsoever to any point you make and expect us to think you're smart for it. Especially when you clearly know nothing about vocal technique or the physical aspects that go along with determining what someone's voice sounds like and why.


1. i never said that any band doesn't follow some formula at some point.
2. one last breath and is this the end, the intros sound nothing alike, just because their finger picked doesn't mean their the same, get a clue
3. chad kroeger wasn't born with a "raspy" voice, he just can't sing, he yells.
4. yes the singer from ac/dc is bad, their the most overrated band in rock music, every song has the same 4 count drum beat, the same chords, and the same terrible lyrics.
5. singing isn't a god given talent, believe or not... many singers actually work hard and do all the right things to keep their voice in good shape, if you ever took a vocal lesson you would know this
6. proof for number 5? listen to mark tremonti on my own prison when he sings, now listen to him singing on "a thousand faces" live in their houston show... WAY better, why? because he has had much experience since then.
7. you made an argument about singing without mentioning Thom Yorke... if you don't know who Thom Yorke is, you don't know who the single greatest singer is of our generation, and you have no credibility.
8.... Im done with the fucking nickelback argument.

[creediscool17]

Jesus christ. Your just contradicting yourself.

First you say he doesn't change his voice, and then you say when he does he just yells?!?!

You don't like Nickelback, we get it. Leave it at that? Your opinions are poorly backed up. It's obvious you don't listen to Nickelback, because if you did. You wouldn't be saying what you've just said.


umm you missed what i said. i said that he ALWAYS yells. its obvious i dont listen to nickelback??? let me make this clear... i hardly ever listen to the radio, ever... but the 10 minutes a day i do listen to the radio, i hear at least one nickelback song. i bought "silver side up"... so i've bought one album of theirs... but ive heard at least 12-15 songs from them, so thats probably enough to know what they've got... oh yeah and i've also heard my 12 year old sister rockin out to their music a few times when i was over at my folks house... yeah my 12 year old sister... she listens to the same music as you, thats how cool you are.

seriously though, do you know how to read? im not tryin to be mean though but i clearly said that he always yells, not that he changes his voice to yelling... what are you 7 years old?

[BSC]

umm you missed what i said. i said that he ALWAYS yells. its obvious i dont listen to nickelback??? let me make this clear... i hardly ever listen to the radio, ever... but the 10 minutes a day i do listen to the radio, i hear at least one nickelback song. i bought "silver side up"... so i've bought one album of theirs... but ive heard at least 12-15 songs from them, so thats probably enough to know what they've got... oh yeah and i've also heard my 12 year old sister rockin out to their music a few times when i was over at my folks house... yeah my 12 year old sister... she listens to the same music as you, thats how cool you are.

seriously though, do you know how to read? im not tryin to be mean though but i clearly said that he always yells, not that he changes his voice to yelling... what are you 7 years old?

Lol... I listen to Creed, so you do... Does that make me a douchebag like you?

Oh and, in your post above your last one, you said this...

Im done with the fucking nickelback argument.

You don't know how hard I laughed reading that! So... According to yourself, you were done with this Nickelback arguement, but then post again bringing up the Nickelback arguement?

Thanks for the laughs.. It really brightens up my day.

[pricey.21]

creediscool17 you really need to grow up.
You talk absolute nonsense.

[nagpo]

So...peanut butter & jelly sandwiches rock

[Icedmofo]

In point of everything you just said creediscool, singing is in fact a god given talent.

There are people who take lessons all their life and work on singing non stop and still can't hold a tune, the same as there are those who naturally have the ability to be amazing, and people that are middle of the road.

I have in fact taken voice lessons, i sort of went to college for it.

The chords for Someday and How You Remind me don't sound the same, they're in different keys. You were comparing structure, and structure wise the two creed songs i listed are identical the same way the two nickelback song structures are.

Chad Kroeger really isn't yelling, he's maintaining pitch, if you wanto hear yelling listen to chris cornell singing Show Me How To Live (live) or Scott Stapp singing Reach Out, they're flat and cracking and nowhere near any sort of pitch in key. Chad Kroeger has a mad rasp on his voice, but it's still singing. Listen to old metallica, Hetfield does the same thing, it's only in recent years that he's lost it.

Mark Tremonti has gotten better at singing, you're right, but he ALWAYS had the ability to sing. He didn't train from not being able to match pitch to be a really good singer, he had the ability to sing from the beginning. Was it a strong ability? No, but he still had the natural talent. So again in point of the fact that you obviously know nothing about singing, he was born with the ability.

Not knowing one singer doesn't mean i have no credibility, i didn't point out raul esparza to demean you, i pointed him out as an example.

What really lends someone no credibility is arguing about someone's voice when they know absolutely nothing about vocal qualities, training, or the physical aspects.


Your voice is something you are born with the same way some people have straight hair or curly hair. It's genetic. Some people are born with a naturally strong voice, some with a naturally weaker voice that they work hard and train to get under control. Some people are born with no ability to sing or any musicianship no matter how much training they go through. I know, i've taught the entire gamet of musical and vocal ability in students.

[josha31042]

So...peanut butter & jelly sandwiches rock


I'm quite partial to ham and cheese, myself.

[Agent D]

Can we just get this moronic thread locked and/or deleted?

[creediscool17]

creediscool17 you really need to grow up.
You talk absolute nonsense.

yeah? your avatar is a black soccor player.

talk about nonsense.

[creediscool17]

Lol... I listen to Creed, so you do... Does that make me a douchebag like you?

Oh and, in your post above your last one, you said this...



You don't know how hard I laughed reading that! So... According to yourself, you were done with this Nickelback arguement, but then post again bringing up the Nickelback arguement?

Thanks for the laughs.. It really brightens up my day.


way to not actually respond to what i said tard

[TheGreatDivide]

yes Nagpo, peanut butter and jelly sandwiches rock

[Icedmofo]

Marshmellow Fluff. Discuss

[creve]

We've somehow moved onto racism. Pricey, if I were you I'd do my best not to respond to that because it's what he wants. And I mean he can't spell 'soccer'. Which is actually football, because, you know, the FEET of the player actually are pretty much in constant contact with the ball...

I think we should just let this one die guys.