My last post...I'm just to angry

[CreedCrazed]

I just wanted to say thanks to everyone on the board who made me feel welcome especially Teri...I've been a loyal die hard Creed fan for four years but I'm hanging all that up. I just can't except what went on in Chicago on 12/29 and I can't except that poor excuse for a statement that Creed e-mailed all the Chicago fans who wrote to them. You can say all you want about me...stuff like I'm not a true Creed fan and all that, but if you weren't at that concert...you truly could never understand how it felt to be slapped in the face by your idol. Yes folks, I have seen the real Creed and I never want to see them again. Their fans obviously mean shit to them and they've proved that...at least to me. Now I have to deal with all the money I've spent on their c.d.s and merchandise...maybe you can all find them real cheap on E-bay when I sell all this stuff. Anyway for those of you who hold Creed dear to your heart, I understand how that felt. I'm not here to bash the band...just wanted to state my peace and head on out...again thanks to everyone for the wonderful chat...Rock on Creed fans. Let's hope you get some great concerts in the future from the band who truly ruined mine. I had the worst night of my life on Sunday Dec. 29th, 2002. What a way to ring in the New Year.

Karen from Chicago

[whocares]

im sorry you feel the way you feel about this incident..i want also to say that im sure creed doesnt want to lose you as a fan either..one thing i will remind you of ...its the music thats suppossed to make you feel good. do you really think scott wants you to idolize him.. probably not...i would say that he would suggest maybe your parents or a close friend should fit that bill. i think that after you think about this issue for a while cooler minds will prevail...i personall think music that i love to listen to is a huge plus in my life. to see them in person is another...shit happens...albeit sad and unfortunate and im sure with no malace..its done and over...go back to listening to the music that makes you feel good. ok just my thoughts...

[Dogstar]

Well said, whocares.

[creedgirl99]

I'm sorry for you Karen. I was also at that concert. We drove 11 hours to get there, then waited in line for 2 and a half hours because I wanted to be at the rail. I was disappointed and saddened by what transpired that "infamous" night. I just kept thinking to myself that it wasn't real. It was most definitely a different show than my first Creed experience on 9/22. Despite all this, I still love Creed just as much. The reason I became interested in them in the first place was their music, and that has not changed. There is no other band out there like them. They will always remain my favorite band. Thanks for reading.....

[Bridge of Clay]

hey... are you really selling all your Creed merchandise? perhaps you should reconsider it

[PaulMcCoygirl]

Karen, don't sell all your Creed stuff yet. You have to understand that Scott was going through a lot during that time. I know you are going to say that it was no excuse for him to act like that, which he shouldn't of but there is nothing you can do about it. Don't blame the entire band though, I'm sure they were very embarassed about the entire incident. Please reconsider about not being a Creed fan anymore. That's just my opinion. We will miss you! :(

[Xterminator27]

Originally posted by CreedCrazed
I just wanted to say thanks to everyone on the board who made me feel welcome especially Teri...I've been a loyal die hard Creed fan for four years but I'm hanging all that up.  I just can't except what went on in Chicago on 12/29 and I can't except that poor excuse for a statement that Creed e-mailed all the Chicago fans who wrote to them.  You can say all you want about me...stuff like I'm not a true Creed fan and all that, but if you weren't at that concert...you truly could never understand how it felt to be slapped in the face by your idol.  Yes folks, I have seen the real Creed and I never want to see them again.  Their fans obviously mean shit to them and they've proved that...at least to me.  Now I have to deal with all the money I've spent on their c.d.s and merchandise...maybe you can all find them real cheap on E-bay when I sell all this stuff.  Anyway for those of you who hold Creed dear to your heart, I understand how that felt.  I'm not here to bash the band...just wanted to state my peace and head on out...again thanks to everyone for the wonderful chat...Rock on Creed fans.  Let's hope you get some great concerts in the future from the band who truly ruined mine.  I had the worst night of my life on Sunday Dec. 29th, 2002.  What a way to ring in the New Year.

Karen from Chicago

Fine, do whutever u want, its your loss.

[jimmy2sacs]

karen, i agree with you to a certain degree. I too was pissed that my first concert ever was blemished like that but hey, i'll live. Im not going to stop listening to my creed CDs because he was drunk, i like their music so i listen to it no problem there. I might think twice though about going to another concert. If i do go, i'm not going to spend $70 on their merchandise. I bought some Creed shirts and some patches at the concert and now im kind of embarrassed to wear them. I get alot of crap from my freinds for listening to Creed and if i wear those shirts all i hear is "I told you so". That night sure was memerable though, and i did have fun. Local H was awesome, i was the only one where i was at that was liking their music. I should have bought the local H CD instead of all the other crap.

[Debs4Creed]

well I am sorry that you put so much of your life into a band that one lousy concert adn you are swearing them off that is pretty pathetic if you ask me ;)

[musicsaves]

when did scott stapp stop being a rock star and start being expected to be Jesus?

[jimmy2sacs]

December 28 he was officially announced as Jesus.

[Xterminator27]

Ummmmm WAHT????

[jimmy2sacs]

yup, it happened.

[Xterminator27]

Uhh no it didnt

[jimmy2sacs]

it didnt? crap! someone lied to me.

[musicsaves]

apparently. i must have missed the announcement.
...actually I think Jesus was cut more slack. :rolleyes:

[jimmy2sacs]

i dont think he really is Jesus now. I remember he looked a little chubby at the concert. Jesus was ripped.

[TeriB19]

Originally posted by jimmy2sacs
December 28 he was officially announced as Jesus. DAMMIT!! I had that marked on my calender too, and I completely forgot. How was the induction ceremony? Was he wearing the crown of thorns of was that too much?

LMAO Jimmy, thanks for that!:P

[TeriB19]

Originally posted by musicsaves
apparently. i must have missed the announcement.
...actually I think Jesus was cut more slack. :rolleyes: You couldn't be more right, musicsaves!

[jimmy2sacs]

my cat fell of the desk. hehe!

[Xterminator27]

Uhh jimmy i dont get ur signature.....

[musicsaves]

maybe it's his religious background or his once jesus-like hair that made some became confused, but somehow I don't feel my savior fallen, each time stapp takes a drink...

[jimmy2sacs]

sorry

[jimmy2sacs]

its actually a "deep thoughts with Jack Handey" from Saturday Night Live. I dont know if you know what im talking about but, thats what it is.

[TeriB19]

Originally posted by musicsaves
maybe it's  his religious background or his once jesus-like hair that made some became confused, but somehow I don't feel my savior fallen, each time stapp takes a drink... And that's the attitude everyone should have. When he actually WALKS on the water, I'll start looking at him differently. But he didn't have the power to feed an entire arena of fans with a few loaves of bread and a few fish. Now THAT would be Messiah-like!

[jimmy2sacs]

you think Stapp hasnt walked on water? how can you be so sure?

[TeriB19]

Because the media would've splashed it all over the tv, radio and papers. With a negative spin, of course.

[musicsaves]

Originally posted by TeriB19
But he didn't have the power to feed an entire arena of fans with a few loaves of bread and a few fish. Now THAT would be Messiah-like!
He doesn't have that power? wait...i must rethink my whole life...
..now tremonti on the otherhand may.....j/k

[TeriB19]

Tremonti fed us some powerful riffs in Philly. I wasn't hungry after I left that show, I can tell you that!!

[jimmy2sacs]

how do you quote people? man, i suck at this message board stuff.

[musicsaves]

Originally posted by TeriB19
Tremonti fed us some powerful riffs in Philly. I wasn't hungry after I left that show, I can tell you that!!
Amen

[jimmy2sacs]

Thats wierd Teri, i felt unusually hungry after the Chicago show.

[TeriB19]

Munchies, Jimmy, munchies.

[JenRN]

Well If you feel it nessesary to not "like" Creed anymore so be it, that is your decision! But who in this world is perfect? I can't imagine the feeling of dissapointment of thousands of people in me, it must be hard for Stapp, REALLY! All I know is the band needs a break, they need time to recooperate from a hellacious year, if you can't let go of this bad experience than it really is your loss. It is not written in stone you will always have a GREAT experiences in life, you take what life throws you and make the best of it. I know that I have certain expectations of things in life, BUT I get let down a lot and I just pick up my head and MOVE ON! I guess as you experience more let downs you will learn how to deal with them easier.

[rodirocker]

No, he should not become Jesus, but he should at least humble himself, admit that he made a BIG mistake, and go ahead and change.

I was at the concert and there is no way I would be able to pull myself away from being a Creed fan. No way in the WORLD. Being a fan of Stapp, well that is another story. I don't really like him. Mark Tremonti is my hero though. Would I go to more concerts? Yes... but I am very hesitant too after what just happened. I don't think this is going to happen again. Creed is still a bunch of incredible musicians, Stapp still rocks musically, he just has problems.

[musicsaves]

Originally posted by JenRN
I can't imagine the feeling of dissapointment of thousands of people in me, it must be hard for Stapp,
All the more reason to drink etc...

[musicsaves]

Originally posted by rodirocker
No, he should not become Jesus, but he should at least humble himself, admit that he made a BIG mistake, and go ahead and change.  

What exactly is his big mistake? Not handling all the problems in his life the way people think he should? Not performing like a robot or the fan's puppet?
What is it exactly everyone is so upset about? because he left the stage wasted concert time? because people could see his socks? I'd like to know exactly what his sin is.

imagine if we held everybody in our life up to the standards we set for scott stapp.

[creedfan47a]

Originally posted by jimmy2sacs
how do you quote people? man, i suck at this message board stuff.

Click on 'quote' in the post you want to quote in your reply.

[TeriB19]

Originally posted by musicsaves
What exactly is his big mistake? Not handling all the problems in his life the way people think he should? Not performing like a robot or the fan's puppet?
What is it exactly everyone is so upset about? because he left the stage wasted concert time? because people could see his socks? I'd like to know exactly what his sin is.  

imagine if we held everybody in our life up to the standards we set for scott stapp. That is one of the smartest things I've read that's been written so horribly often on this tired tired subject.

By the way, could you imagine the uprising that would be going on if he had HOLES in his socks? The HOLY jokes would NEVER end.:rolleyes:

[creedfan47a]

:lol: :lol:

[musicsaves]

Originally posted by TeriB19


By the way, could you imagine the uprising that would be going on if he had HOLES in his socks? The HOLY jokes would NEVER end.:rolleyes: :D not to mention the people who couldn't deal with their
savior having holes in his socks....;)

thats the thing people are holding stapp up to this standard that they don't hold actual people in their lives to. (not to mention themselves)....

[jimmy2sacs]

Jesus doesnt wear socks.

P.S. I hope you guys know im just kidding with this Jesus stuff. I know you dont know me but you should know to not take what i say too seriously.

[TeriB19]

We know, Jimmy. We understand. We all enjoy a good laugh!! Keep 'em coming!;)

[musicsaves]

Originally posted by jimmy2sacs


P.S. I hope you guys know im just kidding with this Jesus stuff. I know you dont know me but you should know to not take what i say too seriously.
and here i thought you were the anti-christ. ;)

[charlie]

Look. Everybody is missing the point. Stapp isn't Jesus, blaw, blaw...that isn't the point. I don't fault Scott for making a mistake and getting wasted before a show of thousands of people, I fault him for ripping us off and not doing the right thing to correct it...I won't attend another Creed concert. Sure I will listen to their tunes free on the radio but I am not going to give them anymore money because they haven't earned any more of my money...
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[musicsaves]

Originally posted by charlie
I fault him for ripping us off and not doing the right thing to correct it...

...they haven't earned any more of my money...
the b*stard took your $, had some whiskey and took his shoes off and then had to nerve not to apologize right.

Obviously, I'm still having a hard time understanding what this guy did that he has to be so repentant for.

p.s. it was a rock concert, not raffi.

[charlie]

F**K an apology, I want my 110 bucks back...
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[charlie]

And by the way...It wasn't some whiskey...he could barely stand up...
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[creedfan47a]

*yawn*

[rodirocker]

Originally posted by musicsaves
What exactly is his big mistake? Not handling all the problems in his life the way people think he should? Not performing like a robot or the fan's puppet?
What is it exactly everyone is so upset about? because he left the stage wasted concert time? because people could see his socks? I'd like to know exactly what his sin is.  

imagine if we held everybody in our life up to the standards we set for scott stapp.

His big mistake is being so frickin selfish, not caring about his band members, or the tens of thousands of fans at the show, and go and get butt drunk, making a fool out of himself, becoming an embarrasment to the name Creed, and also embarrasing every hard core fan in the arena. The show was HORRIBLE because of this. you cannot argue that unless you were there. I mean, fans were sitting down and booing him. People wasted a lot of money for this show, and when they left, people felt like Stapp stole that money and ran because that was not a Creed concert, that was a Creed embarrasment.

I only brought it up again because you asked.

[creedfan47a]

And of course, you're never selfish or an embarrassment to others, I'm sure.

Again, *yawn*.

Anyone else getting tired of this??

[rodirocker]

Originally posted by creedfan47a
And of course, you're never selfish or an embarrassment to others, I'm sure.  

Again, *yawn*.

Anyone else getting tired of this??

Well if I did in the same sense that Stapp did... it would be my BIG mistake. Are you trying to justify it by saying that other people have done it too? We are talking reputation here... Stapp lost it. BIG mistake!

[creedfan47a]

I'm just saying that he made a mistake, as all people do, and we are getting really sick of hearing about it. We can't do anything about it. If you think your complaining will get you somewhere, take it to another board.

[robo74]

Originally posted by creedfan47a
*yawn*

Does this come naturally? the mouth always being open?

People are just venting, they have something to say. If you go into a post and see its about the Chicago show, then leave, we dont want to see your mouth open. Save that for someone who cares.
I always try to be nice on here, and I enjoy reading the posts about feelings and thoughts about others at the Chicago show. But your little "get over it" and "yawn" BS is getting old.

[DangerousDan85]

you whine and cry more than my sister's newborn

[JenRN]

Originally posted by DangerousDan85
you whine and cry more than my sister's newborn

LMAO! DAN:lol: :roll: Really we understand your feeling for the 100th time !!!!!!! This horse has been beat so badly it has turned into dust!:mad:

[musicsaves]

Originally posted by creedfan47a
And of course, you're never selfish or an embarrassment to others,

His post is more embarrassing then what scott did.  

Anyone else getting tired of this??

This is what happens when someone's life is so contingent on what scott stapp does.

[Debs4Creed]

Originally posted by charlie
F**K an apology, I want my 110 bucks back...


well if you were dumb enough to pay $110 bucks for a ticket to a concert that wasn't sold out then I guess you were ripped off :crying:

[Dogstar]

Originally posted by Debs4Creed
well if you were dumb enough to pay $110 bucks for a ticket to a concert that wasn't sold out then I guess you were ripped off :crying:

Slam-dunk! Seriously, though. Anytime you go to any live performance you're taking a risk. You don't get your money back for a Broadway show, or a sporting event or even the movies. It's the chance you take.

[charlie]

Originally posted by Debs4Creed
well if you were dumb enough to pay $110 bucks for a ticket to a concert that wasn't sold out then I guess you were ripped off :crying:

I took my wife with me. Hello McFly.

:headbang:

And then I got the nice $5 ticketmaster upcharge...
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[Aimee]

About Chicago. I was there. I saw scott throw back a bottle of whiskey and then start to spin onstage. I guess, at first, he thought he was having fun. Took his shirt off and his socks hanging off the front of his feet like he was my little brother endeared me even more. Yes, Scott Stapp sucked in Chicago. Scott Stapp stunk so bad even his own fans were booing. I saw him run off stage to puke in a bucket and then go back onstage after that FOR YOU! This was not my first Creed Show, by far not my first rock show at all. Look kiddies, Stapp was having FUN in Chicago. He was just acting like you when y'all get all riled up and try to drink too much to have fun. We all (over 21 that is :D ) know that line that's drawn in the snow where we should just stop there, but we're having so much fun that we take just one more shot. Aww, that's all that happened. If y'all want to complain about it, go ahead, but I suggest you not hang up your Creed undies just yet. Give the guys just one more shot. I for one, was in tears over Stapp's fiasco, but Mark, Flip, and Brett rocked my world that night, so I concentrated on them. So Wah! Wah! I had fun anyway!!!!:razz:

[creedfan47a]

Originally posted by robo74
My head is so far up my arse, I can't see anything but my own shit.  Please excuse me while I go and gratify myself

I figured your head was not where it should be. Yeah, you're excused.

[TeriB19]

The show was HORRIBLE because of this. you cannot argue that unless you were there. <b>WE ARE NOT, I REPEAT, NOT, ARGUING WITH YOU. YOU ARE GETTING TO THE POINT OF BEING TIRESOME. I AGREE WITH CREEDFAN47A'S YAWN. WE ARE NOT ARGUING ABOUT ANYTHING. YOU ARE THE ONE WHO WON'T LET IT GO. PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, GO POST SOMEWHERE ELSE WHERE PEOPLE WILL ARGUE WITH YOU. NO ONE HERE WANTS TO DISCUSS THAT GOD FORSAKEN SHOW ANYMORE. AM I SPEAKING JAPANESE?? PLEASE, SOMEONE TELL ME THAT THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT I AM RANTING ABOUT. WHY DO WE HAVE TO READ RANTS ABOUT A SHOW THAT HAPPENED ALMOST 2 WEEKS AGO BY A HUGE GROUP OF WHINERS THAT WON'T LET THINGS GO. PLEASE, GO START YOUR OWN BULLETIN BOARD ENTITLED "FANS WHO DON'T WANT TO GIVE UP ON CREED BUT WHO WON'T LET ANYTHING GO". I HEAR THERE IS A BIG DEMAND FOR SUCH A SITE.</b>

P.S. Aimee, great post. Great point of view. Thanks for the insight!! You made the best out of what you were presented, and you enjoyed yourself. I wish others would see it that way.

[creedlvr]

amiee -- you said you saw Scott throw back a bottle of whiskey.

I was just curious how you saw that. I'm not trying to impy that you didn't ... I'm seriously just curious. That's all.

[TeriB19]

She's not full of shit. Trust me, she knows. You may question how I know, but I do. She knows.

[creedlvr]

I believed her. I was just wondering what the circumstances around that were.

[musicsaves]

Originally posted by creedlvr
-- you said you saw Scott throw back a bottle of whiskey.

I guess everybody is either so dependant on creed that they can't deal with stapp acting like a rock star or they mysteriously know the band personally.

I'm really beginging to think that all creed fans are crazy.

Is there anybody left that isnt' in mourning over stapp or that has some secret "in" with the band, is anybody just a fan or a rock band?

[creedfan47a]

Me *raises hand*

[musicsaves]

Originally posted by creedfan47a
Me *raises hand*
Thank you. I was beginning to feel as strung out as the Chicago crusaders.

[TeriB19]

Originally posted by creedlvr
I believed her. &nbsp;I was just wondering what the circumstances around that were. Ok, sorry if I sounded like a bitch. I know she knows. That's all.

[musicsaves]

Originally posted by TeriB19
Ok, sorry if I sounded like a bitch. I know she knows. That's all.
ok....i'm going to not be presumptuous and ask...
do people who post on this board have some kind of connection with the band? I'm not being sarcastic, I really want to stop and ask if I'm missing something here.

[TeriB19]

Some do.

[musicsaves]

I see. I wasn't aware of that. Have you or whoever it is that we are referring to made it known in any way what these connections might be? Again just wondering if there might be something I'm not aware of. And I'm also just wondering why these people might post here...I apperciate your informing me

[TeriB19]

I'm not trying to be a bitch here, but some know more than others and may not want things to become public knowledge for fear of some wanting/expecting favors.

[musicsaves]

Teri, I'm sure your not and of course that is logical.

I'm not trying to be a bitch either. You and other here seem like very nice people in a lot of ways.
but to be honest I don't believe what is being suggested here. It's not against anybody as a person, but just this one issue. It think it's a bunch of BS and thats just my opinion.
And I really feel that if anyone here was in the position to grant favors to anyone then they wouldn't be here in the first place.
I don't have any hatered toward anyone, but I am disapointed in the whole fan base in general now for this and other reasons.
I would love to talk to anybody who is just a regular fan from here privately, but I need to find a place to relate to other fans, where there are only self-proclaimed fans. And if that doesn't exsist then I just need to stay away from these kinds of things in general.
Sorry to go on, I'm just very disapointed in people right now. I hope you all, have wonderful experiences being fans of creed. Thanks for talking with me Teri.

[Dogstar]

Musicsaves, don't give up on the board yet. Before Chicago, this was the only Creed BB that felt comfortable. This, too, shall pass, hopefully.
What do you mean when you say you are disappointed in the fan base in general?

[TeriB19]

I would love to talk to anybody who is just a regular fan from here privately, but I need to find a place to relate to other fans, where there are only self-proclaimed fans. And if that doesn't exsist then I just need to stay away from these kinds of things in general. You HAVE been talking to regular fans. Jesus, it's not like Mark, Flip and Scott post here. We are all fans. There is NO one here that is related to Mark, Flip, Scott or Brett for that matter (that I know of). Don't go walking away just yet. You've found a place to relate to other fans.

[musicsaves]

Originally posted by TeriB19
You may question how I know, but I do. She knows.

But I don't relate to that.

however I probably should not stop post with EVERYBODY because of it.

[TeriB19]

Good idea. We probably ALL aren't distant cousins of Scott Stapp. Just MOST. (just kidding)

[musicsaves]

thats not at all what i mean...
it's this i'm going to make everybody think I'm important with the band, business, i but i guess my attention is just what this attitude desires.

[Steve]

Ok, here's an analogy for you all... take it as you will.

I'm a huge football fan. I love the Green Bay Packers. Lets say that I purchased two tickets for the Wildcard playoff game between the Packers and the Atlanta Falcons. Well we all saw the outcome of that game (at least you did if you are a football fan). Well I paid $150 per ticket for seats on the 20 yard line. The Packers played like shit and lost the game badly. They embarassed themselves out there... I WANT MY MONEY BACK.

You went to the Creed concert with an expectation to see a good concert, just like I went to the football game to see a good fame played - we both lost out, and that's that.

Folks, it doesn't work that way. Get on with your life. Complaining isn't going to get you anywhere. We have all thouroughly discussed this and I think the general consensus is that Stapp screwed up. End of story. Maybe next time they come to town you just won't buy a ticket. Great. Now can we move on to some other subjects. There's not much left to say on this topic.

[TeriB19]

Originally posted by the King of Creedfeed: There's not much left to say on this topic.

1. Outstanding analogy
2. You are exactly right.

[Tia67]

Steve, I love your reply. I can relate. I am a HUGE football fan myself. Follow college more closely(buy season tickets to MSU) BUT try to keep up with the NFL. My little boy loves the Packers. He was all decked out in his Greenbay uniform to watch the game and his heart was broke. But, he got over it and wore his #4 jersey to school on Monday. I like Greenbay myself but I have to confess mainly because of Brett Favre-MS boy(my home state)

[DangerousDan85]

I am a Ram's fan (i want a refund on the first 6 games) :P

[Mr.CreedFreakTN]

Great reply Steve, sorry about your Packers. I just hope my Tennessee Titans pull it out Saturday.

[hotforscott]

Maybe now that Steve said something, people will get it through their heads to LET IT GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[creedlvr]

She's not full of shit. Trust me, she knows. You may question how I know, but I do. She knows.

Personally, I am the type of person that questions everything. There are too many people that "claim" to know a lot.

For me, if someone says they know ... then it is usually not enough for me unless I know HOW they know.

In one post, there are comments that imply people here do have "connections" and then in other posts, it's said that no one here has connections.

IMO, it doesn't really matter either way. It just makes a difference as to what I truly believe and what I take for what it's worth with out putting full stock in it.

[shunammite]

I read all the accounts of the Chicago concert, I agree it sounded just horrific.

Sigh.

I think the announcement is ok, they sort of "stonewalled" but I think that is in the best interests of Creed, and that's the interest I care about.

I think he did the best he could, he was in no shape mentally to be performing, as one nice little article said, he's not handling the spotlight too well, he was obligated to finish out those last few shows and finally just collapsed under the pressure, trying to sing all that hopeful courageous positive never say die stuff when he was personally dying inside.

I think he maybe misjudged how much he could drink and still perform adequately. I know when you are really hurting a little alcohol never seems like enough, it is tempting to keep on drinking until the pain is subdued, but you have to be at blackout point really, when you are really in despair. Um, I know about this.

I don't want to see him grovel at the fans feet. I think he is punished enough just knowing that he really DID "tear down the walls and show the scars he's covering". And now we see why that might not always be a wise course of action, not everyone out there is in a mood to "just give love to all". Some are out to get even for the times they've been walked on.

I think it is just NOT TRUE that he didn't care about the performance, I really believe he thought the drinking would enable him to perform despite his own personal struggles.
As much as Creed means to many of us, this band means far more to Stapp. I am sure he would not deliberately sabotage a performance.

A lesson for all who saw him, large amounts of alcohol are really not a good way to cope with a bad situation, it might feel a little better in the short run, but in the long run it makes things MUCH WORSE.

I was so glad he was able to pull himself together enough to perform two days later. And everything Creed has done, in their work, remains untarnished for me. Just because they can't live up to all they aspire to, well that's no reason to stop looking up. It takes time to get "higher".

I love Stapp. And the rest of Creed. But he is the heart of Creed. I think he must have done bad by both Brian and Hillaree, but surely it seemed right to him at the time, but those are two very painful things that are never going to go away, they both resurfaced big time recently, he will have to live with all the painful consequences.

I don't fully understand the split with Brian, I got the idea from an old interview that they were both strong personalities, and had a good bit of conflict, Stapp doesn't do well with those who are against him, he's "pugnacious". Tremonti and Phillips are both relatively peaceful. And then the number one theme of Creed is NOT CRITICIZING/JUDGING/HATING and NOT LETTING OTHERS DO IT TO YOU EITHER. And that public statement by Brian, critical of another artist, it was just so against all Creed was standing for. But I can't understand how you can sever ties to a brother over that, I guess Stapp felt he had to, I don't know.

Hillaree, it sounds like she was making him choose, Creed or her. To give her what she wanted would be the end of Creed, to give her all the attention she felt she needed. It's just so tragic. I don't blame her, or him, or Brian, it's just tragic all round. But life goes on, and it's the "tragic experiences" that really "show us everything". And some really wonderful things arise when we really learn stuff.

People that never go through anything bad, they stay babies. But I don't think anyone avoids all "bad". It's just kind of funny, how Stapp thought he was "weathered" BEFORE this year. I wonder what he would call the next album, "beaten to a pulp" maybe. Or risen from the dead, I hope.

One thing I got from all the attacks on Stapp for "aping Jesus". And I don't think he deliberately did that, but maybe he did intend to bring Christ to mind, as an idea, in many of the songs.

Every man goes through "crucifixion". Some are more visible, but man is born to trouble as the sparks fly upward, it's in Job. Hang on for the ride anyway, it'll be all right.

"Christasanidea", the Idea is different from what many people commonly think of to me. That every person is directly connected to God via the One Mediator (I Tim 2 and elsewhere), no spiritual hierarchy among brothers. The common understanding is that Christ means you don't drinkdodrugshavesex. Well those can complicate your life, but I think there is something higher in view if you think about it.

[Dogstar]

Very well said, Shunammite! Nice to see you back.

[TeriB19]

Welcome back Shunamite! Excellent points, all!!!

[ronda]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Steve
[B]Ok, here's an analogy for you all... take it as you will.

I'm a huge football fan. I love the Green Bay Packers. Lets say that I purchased two tickets for the Wildcard playoff game between the Packers and the Atlanta Falcons. Well we all saw the outcome of that game (at least you did if you are a football fan). Well I paid $150 per ticket for seats on the 20 yard line. The Packers played like shit and lost the game badly. They embarassed themselves out there... I WANT MY MONEY BACK.

You went to the Creed concert with an expectation to see a good concert, just like I went to the football game to see a good fame played - we both lost out, and that's that.

Ok,, steve say you went to the game and the players all came out on the field with T-shirts on and no pad. And played touch football. WHen you went to see tackle foot ball???????? And what if the cheerleaders came out in bath robes. Ant the team shut down after a few plays to take a break because they were haveing a bad day??? Your analogy SUCKS. This is my opinion.
I am done witht the whining and complaining . I just think your analogy sucked is all.

[JenRN]

Very well said Shunammite:clap: You can stay here anytime!;)

[Dogstar]

Originally posted by ronda
Ok,, steve say you went to the game and the players all came out on the field with T-shirts on and no pad. And played touch football. WHen you went to see tackle foot ball???????? And what if the cheerleaders &nbsp;came out in bath robes. Ant the team shut down after a few plays to take a break because they were haveing a bad day??? Your analogy SUCKS. This is my opinion.
I am done witht the whining and complaining . I just think your analogy sucked is all. [/b]

Get a grip. It was a perfect analogy. When you're dealing with human performance, you can't be assured of anything, even when you do plunk down the dough for the tickets. And I'm sorry, I think your analogy is ridiculous. From what I have read of others who attended the 12/29 show, the rest of the Creed *team* pulled together like a team does and played their asses off.

There's a thread on here about a petition to complain about the Chicago show. Why don't you go and find it.

[hotforscott]

Shunammite! That was a wonderful post. Thanks so much!

[TeriB19]

Originally posted by ronda


Your analogy SUCKS. This is my opinion.
I am done witht the whining and complaining . I just think your analogy sucked is all. You are right, it is your opinion. But IMO and the O's of many others, Steve's analogy is DEAD ON. The rest of the Creed Team picked up the slack, as do the other players on a team when one is not playing up to their best potential. And apparently you are NOT done with the whining and complaining. Dogstar is right, go find Robo74's petition, sign it, and post on that forum. I'm not saying you should leave this forum, so please don't take it that way. I'm saying if you want to post with others who will commiserate with you, there is the perfect place to do so.

[ronda]

to dog star.
In a football game you know there is a winner and a looser. In a concert there is a performance for the fans. Concerts are not sporting events. The outcome is not set in a game , the outcome of a concert is somewhat under the control of the performers.
Yes , I agree with you the rest of the band did a wonderful job. I dont think we would of noticed them so much if Scott would of been himself.
The anology sucked for me about football. If you liked it well, good for you.
I am not still upset with the 29th show. And not complaining.
I just dont think paying to see a game is the same as paying to see a show. Yes you may be disappointed your team did not play well. But games are like that , you know your team has a 50/50 chance of loosing. The out come was in the control of the band, he had control of himself. Getting drunk before a concert and not performing, is not the same as missing a field goal.

[TeriB19]

So you're not upset anymore about the Chicago show, now you're upset with Steve's analogy?

[ronda]

Dogstar?
Do you mean all of these posts you are writing on the subject of the Chicago show and you were not even there???????????

[ronda]

Not upset with steves anology, Just dont think we are comparing apples to apples is all.
I did not do the comparison.. I just dont agree with it.

[Dogstar]

Originally posted by ronda
Dogstar? &nbsp;
Do you mean all of these posts you are writing on the subject of the Chicago show and you were not even there???????????

Yes, and I have a right, just as you do, TO STATE MY FRICKEN OPINION, so get off my fricken back about not being there. I felt as if I WERE there with the myriad posts on this show. Many others on this board who did not attend have done the same. That's what we do here. I happen to not agree with your opinion and vice versa. In the adult world, this is called debating.

Getting back to the subject at hand: I don't think it's at all comparing apples to oranges. There have been other things besides human frailty that have conspired to ruin a good game/concert...technical problems and the like. The Penn State show was riddled with mic problems, amps blowing out and a 20-minute power failure. The set was shortened and the band did their best to carry on despite all that. Granted, it's not the same as the lead singer showing up piss-ass drunk, but I didn't demand my money back because they at least finished the show. I've been to many a concert from other bands where technical problems sent the lead singer to the showers and we were left with less than half a show. Been to plenty of other shows where some band members were stoned, drunk, off-key, too. SHIT HAPPENS.

[creedlvr]

I think it is really unfair to say that just because some of us weren't at the Chicago show, that we aren't entitled to have an opinion.

I really love Creed and Scott Stapp. I truly admire what they stand for. I think that is what makes me like them even more.

When I heard about what happened in Chicago, my heart sank! I had logged on to find out how the concert went because I was going to see them on NYE. When I read the reviews, I couldn't believe it! Was this the same "Creed" ... the same "Scott Stapp" that I respect and admire for his beliefs??? I literally had a pit in my stomach. I had paid $115 per ticket after bidding on them online ($230 for 2), paid almost $200 for a hotel room (a REALLY crappy one at that!!), took a day off from work, made my husband take a day off from work to take me, and had to drive 3 hours to get there ... only to wait in line outside for 7 hours! If Scott had come out on stage drunk, I CAN'T say I wouldn't have been incredibly disappointed/pissed off or whatever else. I will tell you this, after reading those reviews, I certainly was concerned about what to expect for our show. BUT ... I was REALLY concerned about Scott.

You have to stop and think ... what could've caused this?? THIS IS NOT LIKE HIM! he has NEVER done anything like this before.

I have had very mixed emotions about the whole thing because I really do put Scott and Creed on a higher level than a lot of other bands. Hearing about this whole incident was quite disconcerting. I was disappointed in him ... and I wasn't even there. I felt like he let me down. But on the other hand, the "human" aspect took over and I realized that he has troubles right now. NO ... he didn't handle them properly. YES ... he used INCREDIBLY poor judgement. But it doesn't make him a bad person. IT JUST MAKES HIM HUMAN!! He is not Jesus Christ. Most of his lyrics (and beliefs) reflect the way he WANTS to be ... not necessarily the way he IS.

He's had many, many amazing shows ... let's try to focus on those! And again, I was NOT at the Chicago show ... but that does not mean that I am not entitled to an opinion. I'll bet if everyone who wasn't at the show, agreed that Scott Stapp was an ass that night and that he is some horrible person for letting the fans down, then none of those concert goers would complain about our having an opinion.

I did want to share this article that I found ... perhaps some of you have seen it already. While it DOES rehash ... in detail... the events of that dreadful evening, and CLEARLY this person is very upset with Scott ... at least it is a pretty logical opinion and shows a concern for Scott and the band. It is pretty long (so is this post .... sorry!) and again, certainly isn't at all implying we should all just forgive and forget ... but I actually really enjoyed this article. Check it out if you'd like.
http://www.februarystars.org/12292002.html

Shun ... GREAT POST!!!

[Dogstar]

Great find. Thanks for the link.

[Mr.CreedFreakTN]

Was your Hotel the Holiday Inn Stadium? I f it was I understand.

[creedlvr]

YES ... it was! Did you stay there, too? It was absolutely awful. I knew it wasn't going to be anything special. I only booked it because it was so close to the Spectrum.

When we checked in, they first couldn't find our reservation. While we were standing there we heard people complaining in the lobby about their rooms ... no hot water, no heat, handles breaking off the toilets, no working TV, etc.

When we went back after the concert, we thought we had walked into a hotel version of Hollywood Blvd. There were girls in there that I would've sworn were hookers! ... and they thought they looked GREAT!!

We went to our room after having to walk up 7 flights of stairs ... because waiting for the elevator would've taken till the next morning to get us to our room ... and couldn't get in because neither of our key cards would work.

We then proceeded to walk back downstairs. After listening for about a 1/2 hour of arguing in the lobby about how the bar in the restaurant was charging $20 to get in on top of cost of drinks ... even though it was after 1am and the bar was closing at 2 ... someone finally addressed us.

She "said" she fixed our cards. So we ... again ... walked up 7 flights of stairs ... and STILL ... could not get in! [REPEAT previous 2 paragraphs!]

After the manager came up to FINALLY let us in our room ... where the lights weren't working ... we had to listen to the manager banging on the door next to ours so that the guy next door would stop beating up his pregnant wife/girlfriend long enough to open the door!

Needless to say ... I couldn't wait till morning!

I'm sure that was way more info than you needed. Just had to vent!

Sorry!

[Mr.CreedFreakTN]

I got there Tuesday morning around 12:15, The pictures on the website looked alot better. We checked in and went to our room and I 'd requested a king bed and the room had doubles. I called to complain and guy said sorry that's all we have. So I told him iI'd take it up with his manager in the morning. The hotel stunk so bad I couldn't wait so I called around and found the Park Hyatt at the Bellevue, it was very nice but pricey, I didn't care I was someplce I didn't know and I wanted to be safe. I went down to tell the guy we were not staying and he tolld me that we had been in the room for atleast 15 minutes that they had to check the bed to make sure we didn't have sex in it. I'm sure their were hookers there , I saw a few my self. Live and learn I guess.

[ronda]

Wow, Great web site and wonderfully written. Creed lvr thanks for putting up the web address for that fan letter.
No I did not say you people that missed the Chicago show cant have an opinion.
I meerly asked dogstar a question. Never said she couldnt have an opinion on it. Let her have her friggin opinion.
You all can have an opinion.
I know lots of people with opinions on subjects they do not have first hand knowledge on. I dont care about the opinions of people, that I know DO NOT have first hand knowledge on the subject.
If you do not like my opinions, I could care less. I did not come on this web site to make friends. I dont need anymore friends. I have friends, dont need your approval of my opinions.
I came here after I became upset about a concert, I came here to get the word out. To try to get the word to the Creed management to join forces with other fans that needed a place to state thier feelings about the show. In hopes of some kind of retribution.
Difference of opinion is debating in the adult world , true. But in a debate you have some basic rules and guidelines. Apparently in here anything goes. How old are you dogstar? Just wondering.

[Aimee]

Crdlvr and others-
Please don't walk away. Believe you can fly. Creed will take this much deserved break and come back victorious (we hope). BTW- Please don't be nasty to me because I say I know what I'm talking about. I understand that a lot of people say things like this, but if you have any doubts, please PM me, don't tear me down in this thread. Like a mother who protects her young, I feel the need to dispel rumors and myths.
Ciao!

To musicsaves who doesn't know what I'm talking and doesn't care anyway...
Did you not say this?
I see. I wasn't aware of that. Have you or whoever it is that we are referring to made it known in any way what these connections might be? Again just wondering if there might be something I'm not aware of. And I'm also just wondering why these people might post here...I apperciate your informing me

[JenRN]

Ronda:

Dogstar is a well respected member of this board, she can reveal her age to you if she wants to. I just know that I have read a lot of things you two have gone back and forth on and I have kept my mouth shut, but all I have to say is we stick up for one another, if anyone gets ugly with her there is usually hell to pay with "some" of us! I am not trying to be a jerk or anything BUT things can be said with respect for yourself and for her! I can stand to listen to people for so long than I blow, like when Teri got attacked by a "certain member" well needless to say I shut them up REAL QUICK! So if things stay civilized and everyone shares their opinion respectfully than there will be no problems. Everyone is entitled to their opinion!:D

[Dogstar]

Originally posted by ronda
Dogstar? &nbsp;
Do you mean all of these posts you are writing on the subject of the Chicago show and you were not even there???????????

No I did not say you people that missed the Chicago show cant have an opinion. &nbsp;


Really? That first one sounded like a rhetorical question, implying rather boldly that I had no business having an opinion on Chicago because I wasn't there. That's called inference.

I dont care about the opinions of people, that I know DO NOT have first hand knowledge on the subject. &nbsp;


Really? Then why the heck do you keep posting on this subject?

I came here after I became upset about a concert, I came here to get the word out. To try to get the word to the Creed management to join forces with other fans that needed a place to state thier feelings about the show. In hopes of some kind of retribution.


Mission accomplished as far as getting the word out.

Difference of opinion is debating in the adult world , true. But in a debate you have some basic rules and guidelines. Apparently in here anything goes.

One of the *basic rules* is to have a modicum of logic to back up your opinion. When I see posts that to me express opinions that I happen not to agree with, I respond. Isn't that what you are doing as well? Not sure what you mean by *apparently in here anything goes*. We are both simply stating our opinions, on which neither one of us is apparently ever going to agree.

How old are you dogstar? Just wondering.
If you bothered to read any other threads in here aside from the ones dealing with the Chicago show, you would know how old I am. Your original purpose in coming here was fine. I have no problem with people venting, expressing their feelings, whatever, about what happened in Chicago. And if it took a few days for people to vent, fine. I'm sure I would have done the same. But if you are such a fan, as you claim to be, you'd be interested in talking about other matters pertaining to Creed as well, like, um, THE MUSIC!


To Jen....Thank you!

[hotforscott]

WHOOO HOOOO! Go Dogstar, you know the best things to say in situations like this. I have so much respect for you, sometimes I want to just drive my fist down a few people's throats, but you always put things so tactfully. I hope you can come to Creedfest because I can't wait to meet you.

[Dogstar]

LOL, hotforscott, thank you. You are too kind :). I sure hope I can make it to Creedfest, too. I can't wait to meet you and everybody else. This is a great group of people on this board! Just keep your fingers crossed that some more senior knucklehead at work doesn't bump me off the days I requested to make it. I have to sweat it out until March!

[JenRN]

Once again Dogstar has proven why she is so respected on this board! She always has the right way of saying what is on her mind!

[Dogstar]

Right back at ya, Jen!:D

[ronda]

Dog star,
No I am not going to spend days on end reading posts of people chatting about Creed, just to get your age.
I am not even remotely interested about old chat boards. I think you are just in here ( this thread to defend Creeds honor and bash the people that wanna bitch about them.)
Think mission accomplished with the complaints already.
Creed dont read this shit anyhow.

[Dogstar]

Ronda,

This will be my last post to you because it's apparent you and I will never see eye-to-eye on anything, and you are intent on bitching just to bitch and take issue with everyone who doesn't share your opinion. Fine, whatever.

I don't bash, I debate. Big difference. You wouldn't really want to see what I have to say if I chose to bash. I do, however, respond when I see posts that have absolutely no basis in logic and make no sense. Hence, my responses to some of your posts. If you don't give a shit about what is posted here, then take your bitter butt somewhere else where people enjoy endless ridiculous banter.

Oh, and, um, duh, I know the members of Creed don't read any of this. :rolleyes:
Buh-bye

[ronda]

Just one last thing to say to you Dog , I am not bitter and do not just take issue with people that do not share my views.
You are very , very skilled an taking words of others and turning them into your own agenda.
You have manipulated my quotes to make me seem like a bad guy here. If that makes you feel good then OK.
This will be my last response to you , I think you are a very boring person to converse with. Again I did not come here to converse with you or make friends.
I came to share my experience with others and see what other people thought about the 29th. That would leave you out then wouldn't it. No need to respond to that one. I already know you were not there, but have loads of opinion on the subject.
That is the only subject that interests me on here, you can attempt to judge me however you want. How i feel about that subject should be no concern to you , but you seem to also take issue with people that do not share your views.

[JenRN]

I am just curious Ronda are you always so bitter? I really am not trying to be a jerk, but it just seems like you are always so pissed. If you came here to talk about the 29th then stay in the post about it! Like I said before we all do not agree on everything BUT we at least respect each others difference of opinion! Lighten up a little!

[Mr.CreedFreakTN]

Girls just take a chill pill, Ronda, Dogstar is very good at debating , we all have our own opinions on certain issues so lets try to be nice and not be so rude, from earlier posts all Dogstar was doing was debating you not slamming you, so show some respect.

[ronda]

Do I seriously seem bitter?
I am not really. I do however seen to get a bit sensitive when anyone seems to be as you call it "debating " me.
I will show respect of people when and if they earn it with me. You respect her that is fine too. I can see how people in here have made friends and seem to stick together.
I have had my quotes pulled out of every post by some people in here, to me that was offensive (disrespectful of my opinions)
I did not know my opinions were that interesting to some.
It seems that not everyone in this world is going to get along . That is ok too. Would be very boring if we all were the same and all shared the same views. ;)
ok, I will try this
If I cant say something nice I will (TRY) to not say anything at all.
Human ..LOL

[TeriB19]

Yes, Ronda, you seem VERY bitter.

You are very , very skilled an taking words of others and turning them into your own agenda. &nbsp;
You have manipulated my quotes to make me seem like a bad guy here. &nbsp; Dogstar had NO part in making you look bad. That was all you.


If you do not like my opinions, I could care less. I did not come on this web site to make friends. I dont need anymore friends. I have friends, dont need your approval of my opinions. So you came here to vent your frustration at a show that sucked. Why have you decided to stay around. I don't know about you, but I'm here to hang with my friends and enjoy the posts. We're not about negativity here unless someone stays around too long harping on a subject that has been beaten so far into the ground China's starting to see it. You are right, you don't need approval of your opinions, but wouldn't you think by now, that if no one else wanted to discuss the issue, you'd know when to let it go? There is a forum posted somewhere for the Chicago fans to go and sign that petition for 'retribution' and chat. Can you take your anger there? Again, I'm NOT telling you to leave, but as long as you stay, isn't there anything else that you can contribute to this bb other than Dogstar bashing and 12/29 concert boo-hooing? It's REALLY getting boring.

And by the way, Dogstar is the LEAST boring person on this bb to converse with. Perhaps she just uses words you don't understand.

[JenRN]

Teri is on FIRE tonight!:madder: :grr: :roll: :lol: And I am loving it!:D

[TeriB19]

:madder: :madder: Just don't care for unnecessary unkindness toward my friends.:madder::madder:

[ronda]

To all the Ronda haters out there. This board is for opinions, if your opinions dont agree then watch out... If you disagree with one of these people in the "CLick" ,, then you get hacked. Just like high school. I am not saying it is wrong to stick up for someone. I just think anyone new here that disagrees is hacked up right away.
My opinions are a bit strong at times, That I will admitt. I am even offensive at times, that too I will agree with.
I can not believe I got caught up in this banter at all. I am over the chicago show, only mentioned it to state the reason for me being here in the first place.
I try not to put people on the spot by pulling out quotes of the way they feel. I admitt , I have also done that too. I am done now with the back and forth with you on this subject.
This forum has a wonderful tool. Called ignore member. Type in the name and the posts will not show up for you .
People complain about mancow radio,,, his response is well you people have the dial,, turn it.
My advise is put anyone on ignore you dont care to read, it works. I am using it already !

[TeriB19]

Maybe we haven't had to use the ignore button because for the most part, we all get along and it hasn't been necessary. I, for one, have been hoping to see you branch out and have an opinion on something else BESIDES the Chicago show. I saw you post in Hockeysue's thread about appearances and I was glad to see that you have something else to add to the bb. That's why I haven't put you on my ignore list.

[luvscott4ever]

Originally posted by TeriB19
That is one of the smartest things I've read that's been written so horribly often on this tired tired subject. &nbsp;

By the way, could you imagine the uprising that would be going on if he had HOLES in his socks? The HOLY jokes would NEVER end.:rolleyes:

OMG!! TOOOOOOOO FUNNY!! :roll: :lol:

[luvscott4ever]

Originally posted by Mr.CreedFreakTN
Great reply Steve, sorry about your Packers. I just hope my Tennessee Titans pull it out Saturday.

I'm not sorry about the Packers....sorry Steve..:) But being as I'm from Minnesota, I guess I can't be...lol...but anyways, I'm with you Mr., and now that it's Sunday and THEY WON!! YEAH!! I was REALLY glad that they won...I'm a HUGE football fan and I'm a huge Steve McNair fan too!! Hope they go all the way!! But atleast this year it should be a good Super Bowl to watch...just like last year!! GO TITANS!!

[Mr.CreedFreakTN]

I'm a huge McNair fan myself, we started out 1 and 4 this year and look were we are today. My predictions are Titans and Eagles in the Super Bowl.... Go Titans

[hotforscott]

Glad to see this thread has taken a turn for the better. Not too big of a sports fan, but GO TEAM, whichever one you root for. :P

[JenRN]

Originally posted by hotforscott
Glad to see this thread has taken a turn for the better. Not too big of a sports fan, but GO TEAM, whichever one you root for. :P I like to play sports more than watch them on TV. Although a good football game is always fun!:)

[Dogstar]

Gooooooooo Eagles! The choking-dog J-E-T-S Jets, Jets, Jets are G-O-N-E Gone, Gone, Gone!!!! Wooooo-hooooooo!!!

[hotforscott]

LMAO! I have become a Hog Fan because I married one, but I am not one who gets into sports like a whole bunch. I can play better then I can watch.

[TeriB19]

Originally posted by Dogstar
Gooooooooo Eagles! The choking-dog J-E-T-S Jets, Jets, Jets are G-O-N-E Gone, Gone, Gone!!!! Wooooo-hooooooo!!! OUTSTANDING. Love to see New York lose!!!

[gade202]

Anyone have pics of the Chicago show?? I live in NJ and was going to go to the News Years Eve show in Philly but I went on a trip to Florida instead. I would be very interested in seeing pics or hearing any bootlegs anyone might have from the show...

[Dogstar]

There was a thread in here with a link to three or four photos, but I can't remember which one it was. Sorry.

[gade202]

Hehe, I just did a quick search on the net for creed concert reviews for that night and found this little blurb from mtv.com about a Dec 9th concert they did with several other bands. Here is what it said about Creeds preformance:

Beck and the Flaming Lips followed by Coldplay provided a few hours of envelope-pushing — so much that when headliners Creed took the stage afterward, they were met with boos and half the venue clearing out.

In all fairness, Creed would have likely been a hit on Saturday's bill, but singer Scott Stapp didn't score sympathy points when he stormed offstage during the first song because his mic wasn't working. He returned, but the set felt off.

Not really sure if it was a sign of things to come but even then they said their show didn't seem right. Hopefully things will improve although I do find the response from Wind Up a little rude and I wasn't even at the Chicago show. They would probably have been better off just not saying anything. From what I have read, Scott was drunk, is that right?? Hehe, makes me think of the band Oasis....

[Dogstar]

Gade, the thread is called Chicago pics, Oh My...it's under this forum on a previous page if you want to check them out.

[gade202]

Got em, hehe. Love the no shoes approach! I would have loved to have seen what happened after the show was done. They probably took turns whaling on him since that show, although Scott was the problem, reflects them as a band, not individuals. If you guys don't want this happening again, all you have to do is sneak cameras in and take lots of shots. I know someone did that but if 1000+ people had sets of photos of Scott laying down singing and such and sent them to MTV, VH1, and other sites and got them aired then it would show them that your not gonna waste your time and money going to their shows just to see Scott fool around and pretty much blow the show. Now a days bands come and go, Creed is lucky they have stayed in the publics eye for as long as they have but if they keep this up they will most likely break up. I just read that Mark has already started writing solo stuff which is definately not a good sign from a Creed standpoint...

[Dogstar]

I disagree. I think it's a natural progression for the band. A good break from each other and side projects could stoke their creative juices. After two albums, two EPs and tons of touring, Alice In Chains did it and still managed to put out a really good record (Tripod in 1995) after Layne Staley branched out and did Mad Season with the guys from Pearl Jam and Screaming Trees. Pearl Jam also has survived solo turns of Mike McCready and Stone Gossard. What killed Alice was Layne's heroin addiction. I think it would do Creed good to branch out and expand their creativity a bit. And really, it's only been one show where Scott got completely out of hand. He had a few problems with the mic at the Penn State show and dissed the crowd a bit for not standing up and rocking out. I thought the PSU crowd needed it anyway. You're right, it's rare for a band to hold the public as long as Creed have, but it still doesn't mean they can't keep making good music and making a living doing what they love.

[luvscott4ever]

Originally posted by Dogstar
Gooooooooo Eagles! The choking-dog J-E-T-S Jets, Jets, Jets are G-O-N-E Gone, Gone, Gone!!!! Wooooo-hooooooo!!!

Remember what they really should be called??: Not Yets!! :D
I knew you'd be just as HAPPY as I am!! Loved the 2nd half of the game!! Now I can sit back and ENJOY what's left of the football season!! Anyone can go to the Super Bowl now...I like every team that's left...But I would REALLY love to see the Titans go...in the NFC, I'd take either one...but for you DS, I guess I'll have to root for Philly, but I am a Bucs fan too...It's gonna be really tough for me on Sunday!! :angel:

[Mr.CreedFreakTN]

GO TITANS, REMEMBER THE TITANS, GO TITANS

[Dogstar]

Originally posted by luvscott4ever
Remember what they really should be called??: Not Yets!! &nbsp;:D &nbsp;



Muhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha....Yesssss!!! I listened to WFAN on the way home from work and the overnight guy, who is a huge Jets fan, might as well have been crying in his beer. You should have heard all the fans calling in turn on Chad Pennington, without whom they never would have even BEEN in the playoffs. Turncoats!!! Anyway, I'm rooting for the Birds for sure, but I have to admit I like Steve McNair. That guy is a beast! He is amazing playing with the all the injuries he's had. He is such a leader. The only team left that I can't stand is the Raiders, and you can understand why, Luvscott ;). They are still crying about the fumble/incomplete pass from the Snow Bowl. Although, Rich Gannon is a decent guy. In any event, it's going to be a kick-a** football weekend coming up! Woooooooo-hooooooooooooooo!

[Mr.CreedFreakTN]

I am soooooooooooo ready.