RalphyS
09-11-2006, 05:11 AM
Yesterday was complotday about 9/11 on Dutch tv, first they showed 'Fahrenheit 9/11', but that isn't that special, but they also showed the (in)famous internet-movie 'Loose change' in which it is implied that the American government either did know of the attacks on the WTC and the Pentagon beforehand of even had a hand in them.
But what I found the most enlightening program yesterday, was an independent newsshow, in which the accusations of 'Loose Change' and other internet-complot-theories were scientifically tested and/or talked about with experts for their judgement.
Let me first tell the good news, the complot that the US-government was somehow behind the attacks of 9/11 didn't stand up. The accusation that it was a missile that flew into the Pentagon and not a Boeing was thoroughly dismissed, both on account of the pictures of the remains of the plane as well as the implied impossible flight into the Pentagon, which was proven to be very possible. Also the accusations that the tumbling down of the Twin Towers was aided by explosives in the buildings were dismissed by both a big explosive expert as students of a Technical University (with assistance of their teachers) who did the math on why the towers ultimately collapsed. The expert stated that the building tumbled top-down and explosives would lead to a bottom-up tumbling.
So the US-government does not seem to be responsible for the attacks, on the other hand it seems that the secret services did know of the attacks and even of the date of the attacks, at least if you can believe the financial records! In the days leading to 9/11 lots of put-options were bought in regard to American airline companies and companies who resided in the Twin Towers, for the non-knowers on this subject, it means there was a lot of financial speculation on a decrease of the stocks of these companies. This had been noticed earlier, but at that time the blame was put on Al Quaeyda bankers, who would have known, but in the meanwhile it has been proven, that it weren't terrorist bankers who bought these put-options, mostly on the German stock exchange btw, but probably employees of several secret service agencies in the USA, who used their obvious foreknowledge to make a financial gain. Also, even on the early morning, of 9/11 millions of dollars seem to have been wired out of the Twin Towers, which was discovered on CD's that were restored from out of the debris, which were likely not to be recovered. So much for the financial evidence.
Than there was building 7, I think that was the number, the building that also collapsed on 9/11, even though it wasn't hit by anything. The explosive expert was also shown footage of the fall of that building, without being told that it happened on 9/11, and he concluded: "yes, this is a professional job, in this case you see a clear bottom-up explosion, the first floor goes first and than the rest of the building tumbles. What? Was this on 9/11 also? Strange! No, it's clearly a professional job." It was told also that in this building there were offices for the CIA, FBI, IRS and other government institutions, and those who believe in a complot think that in this building there was some evidence for the US-involvement in the attacks.
What did strike me from 'Loose Change', were also the official reports of the US military. Apparently even in the 60's a report was written that a strike on Guantanomo by own operatives and than blaming it on the enemy could help in getting Cuba back in capitalist hands. The report was dismissed and the writer was sacked from military duty by JFK. Than there is the report, which was cosigned by Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Cheney and Jeb Bush, in which it stated that the US-military needed a big overhaul now that the USA was the only remaining superpower to ensure the supremacy of the USA. This report specifically stated that this overhaul would have to take many years, unless a 'pearl-harbor-like-attack' would happen again, in which case the public would be willing to use much more funds and other necessarities towards the military.
Compelling evidence, perhaps not, but it shows some of the issues in a different perspective. If a government is willing to lie about reasons to go to war, are they also ready to let people get killed to ensure a swift movement for their plans? Maybe the future will tell us.
But what I found the most enlightening program yesterday, was an independent newsshow, in which the accusations of 'Loose Change' and other internet-complot-theories were scientifically tested and/or talked about with experts for their judgement.
Let me first tell the good news, the complot that the US-government was somehow behind the attacks of 9/11 didn't stand up. The accusation that it was a missile that flew into the Pentagon and not a Boeing was thoroughly dismissed, both on account of the pictures of the remains of the plane as well as the implied impossible flight into the Pentagon, which was proven to be very possible. Also the accusations that the tumbling down of the Twin Towers was aided by explosives in the buildings were dismissed by both a big explosive expert as students of a Technical University (with assistance of their teachers) who did the math on why the towers ultimately collapsed. The expert stated that the building tumbled top-down and explosives would lead to a bottom-up tumbling.
So the US-government does not seem to be responsible for the attacks, on the other hand it seems that the secret services did know of the attacks and even of the date of the attacks, at least if you can believe the financial records! In the days leading to 9/11 lots of put-options were bought in regard to American airline companies and companies who resided in the Twin Towers, for the non-knowers on this subject, it means there was a lot of financial speculation on a decrease of the stocks of these companies. This had been noticed earlier, but at that time the blame was put on Al Quaeyda bankers, who would have known, but in the meanwhile it has been proven, that it weren't terrorist bankers who bought these put-options, mostly on the German stock exchange btw, but probably employees of several secret service agencies in the USA, who used their obvious foreknowledge to make a financial gain. Also, even on the early morning, of 9/11 millions of dollars seem to have been wired out of the Twin Towers, which was discovered on CD's that were restored from out of the debris, which were likely not to be recovered. So much for the financial evidence.
Than there was building 7, I think that was the number, the building that also collapsed on 9/11, even though it wasn't hit by anything. The explosive expert was also shown footage of the fall of that building, without being told that it happened on 9/11, and he concluded: "yes, this is a professional job, in this case you see a clear bottom-up explosion, the first floor goes first and than the rest of the building tumbles. What? Was this on 9/11 also? Strange! No, it's clearly a professional job." It was told also that in this building there were offices for the CIA, FBI, IRS and other government institutions, and those who believe in a complot think that in this building there was some evidence for the US-involvement in the attacks.
What did strike me from 'Loose Change', were also the official reports of the US military. Apparently even in the 60's a report was written that a strike on Guantanomo by own operatives and than blaming it on the enemy could help in getting Cuba back in capitalist hands. The report was dismissed and the writer was sacked from military duty by JFK. Than there is the report, which was cosigned by Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Cheney and Jeb Bush, in which it stated that the US-military needed a big overhaul now that the USA was the only remaining superpower to ensure the supremacy of the USA. This report specifically stated that this overhaul would have to take many years, unless a 'pearl-harbor-like-attack' would happen again, in which case the public would be willing to use much more funds and other necessarities towards the military.
Compelling evidence, perhaps not, but it shows some of the issues in a different perspective. If a government is willing to lie about reasons to go to war, are they also ready to let people get killed to ensure a swift movement for their plans? Maybe the future will tell us.