I love Tremonti

[MissSeeker]

I love you Tremonti!!!

[The Lithium]

Well, that's nice to hear. Last time I talked to you you thought Mark had wronged Stapp.

[MissSeeker]

I don't think anybody wronged anybody. It was just a misunderstanding.

[bilal]

i love tremonti too............! :)

[nagpo]

yes, hes one of my fav guitarists

[GregS]

I love Tremonti too much.

[RoffeDH]

Wow, I'm back from Spain and this thread is up... Realy usefull thread...

Fun to hear though :D

[metalchris25]

always wanted to go there.^

Mark rules, but AB still sux.

[Måne]

I love Mark the most! :D

[StappsSaviour]

I love Mark the most! :D

oh i dont know about that...
lolz

hes my idol!!!
i wanna play guitar just like him :D

[RoffeDH]

always wanted to go there.^

Mark rules, but AB still sux.


Hmmm... You need to define sux... Don't get what you want to get at here...

[PaulaInGeorgia]

Mark is great. Does anyone have recent pics of him. He is my favorite guitar player. He makes you want too learn how too play. He makes love too that guitar when he plays, carefully strumming it at the right time, and then Rock"N" Out hard. Gives me chills. Paula In Georgia

[Måne]

oh i dont know about that...
lolz

hes my idol!!!
i wanna play guitar just like him :D

Yeah, likewise! He’s my biggest hero and inspiration :D My friends are growing tired (and a little worried :eek: ) of me because I’m talking about him all the time. :P

[StappsSaviour]

yea people do act the same way towards me when i say anything about Creed or Alter Bridge or music in general in fact lol

i'll love MArk Tremonti 4 EVER!

no matter what

[RMadd]

i have a man-crush on him

[bilal]

^ hehe.............. same here ................may be more man have crush on tremonti then females..............

[titan9]

Tremo's an awesome guitarist, by far my biggest guitar influence. I don't have a man crush for him, though. :D

[StappsSaviour]

a man crush???

hahahahaha

thats the funniest thing i have heard in aaaaaaaaaaages

hahahaa

p.s sorry bout the lateness of reply.
i hardly ever go on here

[metalchris25]

I agree with Titan

[titan9]

^ Lots of people agree with me. Some even agree with nearly two month old posts. :laugh:

[Mrprophetman]

Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwn......

[Creed7352]

^ yay! you're back to stir some more shit!! if you're bored with this post or posts like it (how people love musicians), don't read them..pretty simple. works for me.

[bilal]

yesterday i was in my office's wash room...washin my hand after luch break......and suddenly i realsied how often do i place my left foot over the slight hedge under the sink to my left side......always pretending i am Tremo placing my left feet on top of the AMP...hahahaha

[Ana4Stapp]

i have a man-crush on him

:rolleyes: lol!!!!!!!!


I like him too...but I think Myles is the one I really love...:o

[GregS]

Tremonti is the one for me. Just a little man crush mind :P

[StappsSaviour]

^ Lots of people agree with me. Some even agree with nearly two month old posts. :laugh:

my guess is that your talking about me bringing this post back but hey...
i dont really come on here very often anymore because i dont have access to the net at home and if i want to do that then i will!!! lolz

and y not bring it back???
i agree with this thread so i reply.

[Polish_sausage]

Mark Tremonti is a brilliant composer, great guitarist and a hot guy... all in one :)

[titan9]

my guess is that your talking about me bringing this post back but hey...
i dont really come on here very often anymore because i dont have access to the net at home and if i want to do that then i will!!! lolz

and y not bring it back???
i agree with this thread so i reply.

Nope, what I posted was directed at Chris. He agreed with my two month old post.

[StappsSaviour]

Nope, what I posted was directed at Chris. He agreed with my two month old post.

ok then i wasnt angry or nething tho...
lolz

and yes i agree with u also polish sausage

[RelearningLove]

a man crush? ha...that's just funny...

Mark really is one of the best...if not the best guitar player. I was watching "Find The Real" on YouTube yesterday and he does some amazing shit.

[StappsSaviour]

he is great but still not near the top. i would rate him in the top 150 guitarist though.

what about the rest of u?

[bilal]

may be tremonti might not be even in top 100 if you consider other TECHNIQUE players....... but most of the listeners arnt really guitar players.....who realy dont know what mode is shifting and how good scales are being improvised....what count is what feels good to them in theri ears......and thats where tremonti rules......he makes good music.....

[metalchris25]

amen.^

[StappsSaviour]

yea thats very true but u still never know...

hes my number one anyways

:D

[MissSeeker]

he is great but still not near the top. i would rate him in the top 150 guitarist though.

what about the rest of u?

He is number one to me for sure next to James Hetfield!

[GregS]

Tremonti is defintly my favourite guitar player ,top of the list for me.

[RenoV]

Same here, there might be many better players out there, but he's the nomber one for me, he's the kind of guitar player that makes you come back to listen the same songs over and over again, and being amazed on how good his performance is, no matter if it's the 10,000th time you listen to that song! :D

[StappsSaviour]

He is number one to me for sure next to James Hetfield!

james hetfield?
really?
that is rather interesting... i think that Kirk Hammet is a million times better than him
really because James is the rhythm guitarist not lead...

but go Tremonti, Vai, Hendrix and Dimebag... R.I P

[uncertaindrumer]

Tremonti is a terrific guitarist. Unfortunately, he can't write a song to save his life but oh well.

In terms of sheer musicianship, I'd have him on my top 100 list, most likely. But so many guitarists are as good or better than him, yet can still write a song. Not really his fault. You can't practice creativity. His solos are good, but not really original. They often don't really fit the song either. But he has some fantastic ones, i.e. FTR, pity for a dime, etc.

He is also pretty dang good at making cool riffs, but even there, dozens of other guitarists are just as good if not better. He is still great though. If he would just let Myles write the songs...

[J-Man]

^^^You are uncertain. Mark is not only a terrific guitarist, but he is also a terrific writer. He has written many of the songs you bob your head too and sing along with.

[StappsSaviour]

i disagree with almost everything you have said uncertaindrummer

i kno that everyone is entitled to their own opinion but what you have just said may offend alot of people, not to mention that i think and know that you are not in the position to be criticising a professional, especially Mark Tremonti.

so, Mark can write songs. He seems to not have a problem with it. Look at Torn on My Own Prison. i think thats a great song, no soloing but a great song. they way that he used that simple beginning guitar riff to start and then progressed to expand on the main melodic idea. and the contrast between the verse, chorus and the rest of the song.

and look at him now.
what about Burn It Down off One Day Remains
that initial chord progression makes the vocal melody so much more noticable not to mention very memorable and hard to forget.
and the solo in the song...cant say that is unoriginal...
it may sound it to you and it may have some similarities with others but its definately a great solo, in my opinion.

and yes true, there are alot of guitarists that are better than him but you do have to accept that he has made a rather good name for himself.

in comparrision from Myles to Mark i think that Mark is trillions times better at writing songs then Myles... As more or less already stated but if you would like me to go on then sure...

let it rest for me for now here

[uncertaindrumer]

^^^You are uncertain. Mark is not only a terrific guitarist, but he is also a terrific writer. He has written many of the songs you bob your head too and sing along with.

Umm, no, he hasn't.

The guy can clearly write riffs, but he cannot write songs. And writing catchy radio melodies doesn't count. Anyone can write them. For that matter, ANYONE can write melodies you bob your head to. The simpler and less original something is, the easier it is to sing along with.

He is at his best when he goes with heavy riffage. FTR is a fantastic song, because he doesn't try to go outside of himself. He wrote a great riff for the verse, and it works perfectly. The solo in that song is also awesome. Bullets, Unforgiven and Metalingus are also examples of Mark at his best. Those songs are all terrific. But when he gets bogged down in formulaic radio hooks, we get WAWO and higher, two songs that a monkey with a lute could "write".

His ballads are just nonsense. They all sound similar due to their predictable formula, they lack any type of originality...

And his lyrics are just unbelievably awful. I think Scott Stapp wrote better lyrics than Mark, and... for any who knows me, that is saying quite a lot.

Burn it Down is his best attempt at songwriting though, no question there.

i kno that everyone is entitled to their own opinion but what you have just said may offend alot of people,

Heh, because that really worries me. I think Mark would most likely be the first to tell you that his songwriting is not his strong point. His technical proficiency and strong riffs and solos are his forte.

not to mention that i think and know that you are not in the position to be criticising a professional, especially Mark Tremonti.

LOL, that has to be the funniest thing I have heard in a long time.

[J-Man]

Your name "Uncertain" fits you perfectly. You obviously have a beef about Mark so why bother arguing a moot point w/ you. It's people like you that make others roll their eyes in misbelief due to nonsensical gibberish. In other words, you talk trash. Since you don't care about offending others - I'm sure you can take it.

He wrote most of the songs (if not all on ODR). ILM is by far the most beautiful and heartfelt song he's written. I know you are trying to turn this into a Stapp vs. Tremo debate, but it's all been said. Been there done that. Grow up.

[uncertaindrumer]

Your name "Uncertain" fits you perfectly.

It wasn't funny the first time, it is just freaking lame the second time.

You obviously have a beef about Mark so why bother arguing a moot point w/ you.

First of all, it is "beef WITH Mark", not beef "about" Mark, and second of all...

WHAT?! I love Mark Tremonti. You are so off base it is hilarious. Ask any of the people who used to be regulars here (where did they go by the way? Titan, Ana, etc.?) and they will tell you I am a big fan of Mark's. The more I like something, and the more I listen to it, the more I can pick out things that need improvement.

It's people like you that make others roll their eyes in misbelief due to nonsensical gibberish.

Uh, not really. That would be people like you. Everything I have said has been intelligible and based on experience. All you have said is "shut up, you hate mark, he's awesome". I wonder who is spouting nonsensical gibberish.

In other words, you talk trash.

Talk trash? What is this, a basketball game? People were discussing Mark's relative talent and abilities, I shared my thoughts on him. That isn't talking trash.

Since you don't care about offending others - I'm sure you can take it.

Actually, I do care about offending others, the gist of the statement was that if my posts regarding Mark offend anyone, then said group of people need to grow up.

He wrote most of the songs (if not all on ODR).

Uh, duh? I have been listening to and reading about Alter Bridge since months before ODR came out. I know more about them than you do.

Most of the songs are simply not very good writing. They have terrific riffs and solos (though OYE is way out of place), but the lyrics are just awful, and the melodies are... unoriginal. There are great songs, though. FTR is a fantastic song. He does a great job on the verse, and his solo is unreal. Also, the lyrics on the verse are very good. Myles wrote them. The chorus lyrics are... lame. Mark wrote them.

ODR is another terrific song, and once again, Mark is not messing around with attempts at intricate song writing, he is playing fast and aggressive, and it works, spectacularly. The lyrics are not very good, but since the rest of the song is so darn awesome, that does not matter much.

Metalingus is probably the best song on the album. It relies on heavy riffs and aggressive drumming, along with Myles' soaring vocals. It doesn't get caught up in the weaknesses of Mark's ballads or his lyrics. When you are just beating the tar out of your instruments--and doing it very very well--you do not really need to worry much about that other stuff. (WYW is another example of a strong Tremo song).

ILM is just an open chord tuning with a repetative little melody. Absolutely nothing original or different about it. The lyrics are not very good. I mean, I am sure they are heartfelt, but they are at best mediocre.

ILM is by far the most beautiful and heartfelt song he's written.

Hmmm... I hope not. Actually, someone mentioned Torn a while ago, and that actually is a really good song. The problem is, he hasn't diverged from it in a long, long time. He needs to loosen up and try some new things. He certainly has the chops to play whatever he wants.

I know you are trying to turn this into a Stapp vs. Tremo debate,

:wtf:

I have engaged in dozens of Stapp/Tremonti debates. There is no debate. Tremonti is fantastic, Stapp is a loser on all counts. I definitely don't need another one of those. Not only am I not attempting to start one, I don't even know where you got that impression.

but it's all been said.

I know. I said most of it.

Been there done that.

Indeed? In your 90 posts?

Grow up

I always am. ;)

[StappsSaviour]

uncertaindrummer...is just a smart ass... there r always some on everypost site...

but i must say this one thing...
i think the reason behind people loving ILM is because of their own personal experiences and its something that they can relate to...
i know that i can...

and there are not many songs like that that are so good in the Rock genre anymore... the first time i heard that song i loved it... then when my brother died i loved it even more...

u go and have your opinions uncertaindrummer just know that there are things that people can do about it

[uncertaindrumer]

uncertaindrummer...is just a smart ass... there r always some on everypost site...

?? I don't even understand this. So because I don't bow down before Tremonti and say everything he has ever done is gold, I am a "smart ass"? That's brilliant, man, just brilliant.

but i must say this one thing...
i think the reason behind people loving ILM is because of their own personal experiences and its something that they can relate to...
i know that i can...

First of all... not that many people love ILM. Only AB fans like it, and not all AB fans like it, so... that isn't a ton of people, unfortunately.

Second, I agree. I think a lot of people can relate to losing someone, and the simplicity of the song appeals to someone in pain. But... that doesn't make the song objectively good, it makes it pleasing to those who can relate. Which is probably all he was looking for when he wrote it anyway.

and there are not many songs like that that are so good in the Rock genre anymore...

There aren't many good songs in the rock genre, period.

u go and have your opinions uncertaindrummer

Okay. I will.


just know that there are things that people can do about it

Like what? All you guys have been able to do is call me names. Maybe I would change my opinions if anyone ever backed anything up. Instead, you just throw ad hominems out there and run.

[MissSeeker]

james hetfield?
really?
that is rather interesting... i think that Kirk Hammet is a million times better than him
really because James is the rhythm guitarist not lead...
[/B]

I didn't know Kirk Hammet was the lead guitarist so I guess I meant him.

[uncertaindrumer]

^Yeah. Hetfield is the vocalist.

[Robin101]

Uncertain, it had to be you caught in the middle of a multi-page arguement that's slowly spiralling out of control!! :D

I respect your knowledge but I have to disagree with you on a few points - just a difference of opinion.

I wouldn't consider Burn It Down to be Mark's best attempt at songwriting. Any song that begins with the lyric 'Drank so much last night I think that I drowned' can't be going in the right direction. The chorus is pretty decent though.

I'd consider Metalingus and, yes, In Loving Memory to be his best attempts. They wouldn't win any awards for creativity but they are strong and to the point - you know where he's coming from.

Overall, his lyrics are not great but this was his first attempt at writing a full album and I expect the best is yet to come. He does have a unique way of constructing songs lyrically. I'm pretty sure he wrote Torn from My Own Prison. Look at the writing style of that song and it's very similar to those on ODR.

I'm actually a bigger fan of Mark's work in Creed. I love the intricate (if that's the right word) intros to songs like Torn, What's This Life For, One Last Breath and What If. I agree with you regarding his contribution to songs like Bullets and Unforgiven - a great song (even lyrically, I think you would agree - Mr Stapp deserves a pat on the back for that one?).

I had to laugh at the comment about your good self trying to turn this into an AB Vs Stapp thread. We all know you're Stapp's biggest fan!! Are the rumours true that you have his name tatooed on your forehead? :eek:

Stapp a loser...I have to disagree with you on that one.

[uncertaindrumer]

Uncertain, it had to be you caught in the middle of a multi-page arguement that's slowly spiralling out of control!! :D

Finally someone who was here back when I was, heh

I respect your knowledge but I have to disagree with you on a few points - just a difference of opinion.

Which is perfectly understandable. I don't want everyone to agree with me on everything.

Well... yes I do, but I don't expect it, at the very least ;)

I wouldn't consider Burn It Down to be Mark's best attempt at songwriting. Any song that begins with the lyric 'Drank so much last night I think that I drowned' can't be going in the right direction. The chorus is pretty decent though.

You are correct, that line sucks. I was actually thinking more of the instrumental writing than the lyrics. As I have said, I think his lyrical work on ODR is abysmal.

I'd consider Metalingus and, yes, In Loving Memory to be his best attempts. They wouldn't win any awards for creativity but they are strong and to the point - you know where he's coming from.

Well Metalingus is the archetype for what Mark is great at. Powerful riffs. In terms of the lyrics... meh. I don't think they are terrible, but they certainly aren't particularly good.

As for ILM... I can tell when a song's writing isn't very good when I love it the first time, like it the second time, am indifferent to it the third time, and slowly start hating it. Point being that writing should hold up to constant listenings, not wilt under repetition. The problem is that he is so repetative as it is that after you listen to it a few times, I'm just like "ugggggghhhh"

Overall, his lyrics are not great but this was his first attempt at writing a full album and I expect the best is yet to come. He does have a unique way of constructing songs lyrically. I'm pretty sure he wrote Torn from My Own Prison. Look at the writing style of that song and it's very similar to those on ODR.

I definitely hope his lyrics get better, but I'd rather have Myles write some, heh. I will never say there is no hope for anyone at improving their writing, he just seems to be strong in other places. As for Torn, I really like that song. It is too long, but it is great. It is a little over five minutes, but that is indulgent. There is not enough material in the song to last that long. However, the song itself has some great points of note, they just strung it out too long.

I'm actually a bigger fan of Mark's work in Creed. I love the intricate (if that's the right word) intros to songs like Torn, What's This Life For, One Last Breath and What If. I agree with you regarding his contribution to songs like Bullets and Unforgiven - a great song (even lyrically, I think you would agree - Mr Stapp deserves a pat on the back for that one?).

In terms of writing intros... He is terrific. I mean, really, his intros are fantastic. Actually, now that I think about it, if he would write the verses the way he writes his intros, he would make a huge step in the right direction. For instance, in One Last Breath, (a song which, unfortunately, Stapp ruins and the chorus is factory made) the verse is exceptional on the guitar. He plays an intricate finger picking pattern that is absolutely remarkable, given his status quo verses on other songs. If he would do more of that... *drools*

The problem is that he gives up after the intro. Like, I don't know if maybe Stapp didn't like singing to more complicated stuff (maybe he couldnt--he is not particularly talented, after all), or what, but Mark seems to have gotten into the habit of dumbing all his songs down (part of this is, of course, the movement in Creed's attitude from being good to being popular), and in AB, where he no longer has to do that, he just seems to be doing it on instinct. Hopefully that changes, because he has the chops to play anything, Myles can sing to anything, and they have plenty of potential. They just need to add creativity to their bag of tricks.

As for unforgiven... I am having trouble recalling the lyrics at the moment, but I liked Creed in the MOP days. They were good. Sure, they had some clunkers (what's this life for, the title track, one), but the majority of that album was good. Sure, Scott's lyrics were boring and often preachy but sometimes he got a few good things in there, like unforgiven if I remember correctly. And unforgiven is a great song; along with Bullets, it is another fast, heavy, unrelenting riffage style song. Just the kind of songs I say Mark has a particular aptitude for.

I had to laugh at the comment about your good self trying to turn this into an AB Vs Stapp thread. We all know you're Stapp's biggest fan!! Are the rumours true that you have his name tatooed on your forehead? :eek:

Lol, I know... I was... dumbfounded by that comment.


Stapp a loser...I have to disagree with you on that one.

Meh, do as you will. I think *most* stars are losers. Part of the reason I stick w/ Alter Bridge is that they seem to be pretty upstanding guys. Maybe they aren't and it is all a facade, but the facts point otherwise.

I won't hate a band/musician for being terrible role models, but I will usually like them more if they aren't.

[titan9]

Alright, I haven't followed this thread all the way through, but thought I'd toss in my two cents.

First off, I'd like to say that Uncertain has made some very valid points(some of which I agree with, some of which I don't, heh).

As much as I love Mark's songs and his ability as a guitarist, it would be foolish of me to say that he is as good, ability-wise, as a Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Eric Johnson or even Yngwie Malmsteem. Those are four of the greatest guitarists alive. Heck, I don't even think Mark ranks in the top 15 of greatest guitarists alive. Don't get me wrong--Mark is a very good guitarist with the potential to be one of the greats, but he has a ways to go before anyone can validly say he is one of the greatest guitarists alive.

Mark has written many awesome riffs, but there is room for improvement. Namely, when it comes to ballads. I feel Mark is capable of writing better ballads. "Broken Wings" is one of my least favorite songs on ODR. Not because of the lyrics or the intro(which is terrific). But because of the rest of the song. It bores me. I can't feel as much passion in the rest of the song.

Another thing that Mark needs to improve is his lyric writing. As a lyricist myself(and someone who appreciates great lyrics), I'm disappointed in Mark's lyrics. They're too generic, too lackluster. Mark's written some great lines(like the chorus to MOP) but, uh, the lyrics on ODR, as a whole, were subpar. I'm not talking about "Find The Real" or "In Loving Memory", but rather about the rest of the CD. I thinthink Mark needs to realize that, by himself, he really cannot write great lyrics. But when you combine him with another good lyricist, such as Stapp or Myles, you've got a great combination. This is why Creed was so good--they had a rock solid combo of Stapp's lyrics and Tremonti's riffs, as well as Brian's bass playing and Flip's drumming. This is why I'd like to see Myles writing more of the lyrics on the next album.

AB has the potential to become one of the best rock bands today. But not until they have better lyrics and better songs overall. ODR was a step toward the right direction, but there's definitely some stuff they can do to improve.

[uncertaindrumer]

Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Eric Johnson or even Yngwie Malmsteem

Of those guys, Yngwie has the best chops. He picks notes faster than most guys can tap em.

Of course, he never wrote a decent song in his life. Speaking of which, Steve Vai is terrific in that area, as far as "super guitarists" like them go.

[SecretWeapon]

For me, it's all contrast. :D Tremonti isn't as musically skilled as Michael Angelo Batio or Eric Johnson, or as emotional as Hendrix or Stevie Ray, but
compared to Bowling for Soup and Simple Plan and "Gay Charlete" and all those other shitty bands, Creed and Ab sound genius. :)

[titan9]

Of those guys, Yngwie has the best chops. He picks notes faster than most guys can tap em.

Of course, he never wrote a decent song in his life. Speaking of which, Steve Vai is terrific in that area, as far as "super guitarists" like them go.

Yeah, out of those four, Yngwie is probably my favorite. I enjoy some of his songs, although they aren't amazing. He's got great technical ability, though.

But Tremo is probably my favorite guitarist overall, definitely my biggest influence. He's awesome. But I am not afraid to admit he's not the best guitarist around. However, like Secret pointed out, compared to BFS, he's a genius. :D

[uncertaindrumer]

Yeah, out of those four, Yngwie is probably my favorite. I enjoy some of his songs, although they aren't amazing. He's got great technical ability, though.

But Tremo is probably my favorite guitarist overall, definitely my biggest influence. He's awesome. But I am not afraid to admit he's not the best guitarist around. However, like Secret pointed out, compared to BFS, he's a genius. :D

By that standard, *my* guitar playing is Hendrix-esque... lol

But he is definitely good. I would not listen to him if I didn't think he was talented.

[titan9]

^ Quite true. Gah, modern music sure does suck. I heard the latest Nickelcrap song today and my bro remarked "all their songs sound the exact same!" And people complained about Creed.....well, at least they HAD some talent. More than Nickelcrap can say for themselves. No one thought it'd get much worse after the Hanson boys came along, but it has. Outside of U2, Pearl Jam, Foo Fighters and Audioslave, I can't think of many decent bands on radio. Radio is just filled with all these bands who really aren't good at their instruments, if they even play any instrument at all. I'm glad there are at least still some good musicians and bands out there--just wish there were more.

Side-note: The Titans FINALLY won another game today. 2-5 now, baby! :D Of course I'd like it a whole lot better if they were 5-2, but, eh, what are ya gonna do?

[GregS]

I have to say , the last couple of posts in this thread have been hilarious.

[uncertaindrumer]

^ Quite true. Gah, modern music sure does suck. I heard the latest Nickelcrap song today and my bro remarked "all their songs sound the exact same!" And people complained about Creed.....well, at least they HAD some talent. More than Nickelcrap can say for themselves. No one thought it'd get much worse after the Hanson boys came along, but it has. Outside of U2, Pearl Jam, Foo Fighters and Audioslave, I can't think of many decent bands on radio. Radio is just filled with all these bands who really aren't good at their instruments, if they even play any instrument at all. I'm glad there are at least still some good musicians and bands out there--just wish there were more.

Yeah. If asked, I would have mentioned those exact same bands. I also have really been impressed with RHCP lately, though. Their latest album was very good.

Side-note: The Titans FINALLY won another game today. 2-5 now, baby! :D Of course I'd like it a whole lot better if they were 5-2, but, eh, what are ya gonna do?

OH MY GOODNESS I AM A FORTUNE TELLER! On my sports blog, I wrote this (http://sportsrantblog.blogspot.com/2006/10/titans-just-softening-league-up-being.html)a few weeks ago, and dang, it has proved true... sort of.

The real reason is that they played the Texans. Oh well. :( heh

(Side note: Now all those close losses are starting to itch. Had the Titans managed to pull out victories in their losses against Miami and Indy, they would be 4-3!)

[kris21]

mark rules!

[bilal]

Tremonti !!!!!!!

[J.T.]

. I'm pretty sure he wrote Torn from My Own Prison.

Scott Stapp wrote Torn. :)

[bilal]

:jam: TREMONTI !!!!! :jam: