More on Stapp at casino cinema...

[Stappishot]

"Howard Says Scott Stapp Is An Asswipe. 12/01/05. 10:15am

During the news Robin brought up a story about Scott Stapp, formerly from the band Creed, who was apparently inebriated when he appeared on Spike TV's Casino Cinema show which Howard's girlfriend hosts. Howard said he heard the story from Beth who told him that Scott ended up cursing out Beth saying that ''bimbos like her'' don't go for him and stuff like that. Beth told Howard that she had the worst day at work because of that. Howard got kind of pissed because the people she works for didn't do anything about it. No one said a word to the guy because, as Howard said, ''they're all maggots.''
Gary said he heard that Scott was telling Beth that the only reason she's with someone like Howard is because he's got money. Gary had been in contact with Scott a couple of weeks ago and thought that he was a fan of the show. It turns out he's just a jerk and he was a ''jack off'' to Beth. Beth is fine with it all and asked him not to bother trying to take care of things his way. If Beth didn't ask him to hold off on that, this would be a whole different story.

Gary also told the guys that Scott wanted to come on the show to kick Dave Grohl's ass because Dave once goofed on him. The two of them apparently hate each other. Howard said he heard that Scott was running his hand up Beth's back while he was doing her show and it turns out he's just an asswipe and that's the end of it.

Ralph called in a short time later and said he saw Beth coming home yesterday and she looked really upset by what went on with Scott Stapp. Howard said she asked him not to get all worked up about it so he's going to leave it at that. Robin finished up her news after that. Bob told Howard a few more stories and remembered the first time he appeared on the show. Back then he told a story about his 11 year old son who wanted to meet Dolly Parton before he died so they contacted the Make-A-Wish foundation to try and make that happen. It never did. Bob said he usually doesn't mention his son when he talks about his kids because people get kind of bummed out when he tells them that he's passed away.

Bob tried to tell another story about his 14 year old daughter going to a rainbow party but the delay was hit and Howard wanted to talk to his girlfriend about the Scott Stapp thing. He wanted to apologize to her for saying that he called the staff maggots because she asked him not to. Howard said he's sorry he did that and said that she loves the staff over there. Howard told Beth that maggots are very important to the eco-system though. Beth said she was very mad at him for doing that and she didn't want him to bad mouth anyone over there. Howard said it was killing him to not say anything".


I can't wait to see him on the show :D

[Rocketqueen]

ALIEN :alien: STERN i sware this is true, thanks for posting sweetarts :D

[Mrprophetman]

Its pretty funny that ole Howard got so upset, considering the way he treats female guests on his own show. This is a guy who gets off on making fun of retarded people, the handicapped, wants every female guest to show him her rack. I read somewhere that someone asked why is this guy still in the media. The answer was.....he caters to the lowest common denominator....18-25 year old males.

[Chase]

All of a sudden Howard Stern has dignity? What the hell is the world coming to? :D

[alterbridge9]

Howard was being nice. If he wanted to completely ruin any credibility Sapp has left he could have done that. He didn't want to give him the publicity

[sina2b]

All of a sudden Howard Stern has dignity? What the hell is the world coming to? :D

I dont want to defend howard, he may not be so nice (thats all what his show is about) but hes honest. Also I think howard is one of the people in this world that is ontop of his game and is really made to do what hes doing, I dont support what he does but hes one in a kind and very successfull at it.

[ctfan]

Howard was being nice. If he wanted to completely ruin any credibility Sapp has left he could have done that. He didn't want to give him the publicity

Like Howard has any credibility. Besides, it's a litte late to not give Stapp the publicity imo. His g/f too. They should have thought about that several days ago.

but hes honest.
What's so honest about making fun of the physically handicapped for christ sakes. Stern is disgusting.

[crest tattoo]

Oh how I wish Stern was already on Sirius radio, so only 1/4 of the world would have to hear him, and they pay to do it! Don't care for the man much, can you tell? :mad1:

[RockGoddess]

Stappishot, your post is in quotes. Would you please post the link from where you pulled this information? Thanks.

[The Lithium]

I can't wait to see him on the show :D
Yeah, someone MUST rip that!

[RockGoddess]

Never mind, I found it.

[titan9]

I'll be watching it tonight, but I won't be able to rip it. However, I am sure someone will do it.

[Rocketqueen]

Like Howard has any credibility. Besides, it's a litte late to not give Stapp the publicity imo. His g/f too. They should have thought about that several days ago.


What's so honest about making fun of the physically handicapped for christ sakes. Stern is disgusting.
i agree he is but as i hate to admit it and 95 percent of majortiy wont admit it, we,ve all made fun of the handicapped at least once in our lifes, so its best not to judge even though he is an alien knowing and judgeing is two horses of a different color and evening knowing we can judge we know but look we for the beauty in something disgusting :) there is an ugly duckling in every beautiful swan :)

[Stappishot]

Stappishot, your post is in quotes. Would you please post the link from where you pulled this information? Thanks.

MARKSFRIGGIN.COM

[sina2b]

howard doesnt just make fun of the physically/mentally challenged people, hes making fun of himself all the time too and everyone else, thats what the show is mostly about.

Yea its sad but people find him ammusing, I believe his recent deal with sirius was closed at $500 million for 5 years.

[RobertGene13]

This show is hilarious. At least he is acting "real." He usually picks each word he says really carefully. This time, it's all hanging out. Kung fuing the camera and saying babies come form his sack...hahahaha

[Stappishot]

Funny as hell! Scott, what the hell! LOL. Loved every moment!

[revisfoot]

Good Lord...Scott is SO wasted. Someone is going to have a BAD hangover...

[evyllsummer]

with the exception of the Kickboxer segment, some of the best television I've ever seen...

[Dogstar]

Heh, I so can't wait to see this.

[Chase]

http://www.spiketv.com/events/casinocinema/images/guest_stapp_187x100.jpg

Holy shit... this is the funniest thing I have ever seen in my life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He is soooooooooooooooooo wasted. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA He's having so much trouble putting words together. Stern's girlfriend is like "So, did you write most of the songs for Creed, Scott?" and he's like "Yeah, yeah I did. That's why I make more money than Howard." It makes me think of how my friends and I will talk to one of our drunk friends while we're sober. The guy next to him (Steve Schirripa) asked him what kind of music he listens to and Scott is like "Led Zeppelin! and AC/DC" and was cussing up a storm. Stapp is totally pulling a Liam Gallagher... and it's hilarious.

Steve Schirripa totally was egging him on to say stuff about Creed and Dave Grohl (who Schirripa said was from the Goo Goo Dolls). This makes me want to party with Scott.

[ctfan]

Funny, funny, funny!!!!!!!!!!! LMAO at the "lawd gawds" preacher impersonation" too. OMG, the guy is having a great time, and is just a blast!!! Oh, and he finished his statement about Bono, ummm, yea actually got to HEAR for myself what he had to say, not what someone else, heard someone else said he said. lol.

This was some good watching, and there wasn't one thing that he did that I found offensive, nor was he being a jerk. If Beth O needs the definiton, all she has to do is wake up next to Howard, and she's got her answer.

:)

[Dogstar]

I think a lot what people on the show were shocked at happened off camera, from the stories I've read about it.

[evyllsummer]

I think a lot what people on the show were shocked at happened off camera, from the stories I've read about it.

yeah, she put on the smiley face really well, but, at times, you could tell that she was uncomfortable, as Stapp was all over her at every opportunity, flirting incessantly, and, when she tried to bring up his girlfriend, he just deflected with a "yeah" and immediately started talking to the guy next to him...the onscreen stuff is completely coterminous with the story that we've heard prior to the airing...and, was he rude, I don't know, I guess it depends on how you interpret him telling her "you are so FUCKED!"...was that REALLY about the cards? Unfortunately for HIM, it certainly was...LOL...

[Muad'Dib]

Is there rip of it up on net anywhere yet? PBF? Need a laugh heh.

[Dogstar]

Hah! Man, I hope there is some rippage up tomorrow :D

[evyllsummer]

yeah, be patient...rips are in the works for tomorrow...

[Dogstar]

:thumbsup:

[Chase]

Yeah... I mean... I thought he acted like a guy who had a few drinks in his system and was just goofing off. If Stapp's actions offended her... then I have no idea how she puts up with Howard Stern.

[evyllsummer]

Yeah... I mean... I thought he acted like a guy who had a few drinks in his system and was just goofing off. If Stapp's actions offended her... then I have no idea how she puts up with Howard Stern.

well, I think the actions that really offended her were OFFscreen, as he was ostensibly getting a little too touchy-feely (which you could see some of on-screen)...Howard getting touchy with her probably isn't a problem...

[Chase]

well, I think the actions that really offended her were OFFscreen, as he was ostensibly getting a little too touchy-feely (which you could see some of on-screen)...Howard getting touchy with her probably isn't a problem...

What about when Howard gets touchy feely with every female guest has brings onto his show?

[The Lithium]

Still, I think it's unproffessionall of Stapp to show up drunk on national TV.

[crest tattoo]

I watched this with my hubbie, and our comment was:
Well, he just validated Chicago.
I'm so disappointed in him.
The swearing, the hosts were playing his cards for him, telling him to pick up his chips and cards.
I'm kinda shocked they played this segment because it makes them look bad too. And whoever said the host was egging him on, totally! He was trying to get him in deep water!
Asking about his girlfriend, I think that was because he kept flirting with what's her name. And Scott completely blew that question off. I would his girlfriend wasn't too happy about that. BTW, where was his girlfriend and son on Thanksgiving? Was he alone in a hotel? (I doubt that!)
And what's this about the Goo Goo Dolls' guy's small dick? WTF was that?
I'm so embarrassed for him. Have another one Scott.
(Hey, I'm a big fan too, disappointed one now that I seen it for my own eyes-and was in Chicago).

[emissarygtrist]

That crap was rediculous!!!!!!!!! Some one needs to grow-up or try to get some help!!!!!!

[Rocketqueen]

oh get your panites out of bunch i know kwite a few that needs to get there fist out of it and grow up, i myself for one HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA but i cant help myself i have Repusle dis~order

[Rocketqueen]

Still, I think it's unproffessionall of Stapp to show up drunk on national TV.
YEA I Would Agree with ya If He would have been addressing the nation But its really not that big a deal, and for the profesion i really dont find it that unproffessionall

[IamFilthy]

That was some of the best television I've seen in a long while! He was completely hammered. I am a bigger fan of his now because of last night. I'm glad he "loosened" up a bit and showed us another side. I think I just might go out and buy another copy of his CD. Awesome!

[crest tattoo]

What are you, stoned? lol :wtf:

[ctfan]

What are you, stoned? lol :wtf:

If they are, then I'm stoned outta my gourd cause I agree with IamFilthy. I also agree with rocketqueen too.

[titan9]

Some observations I made after watching a couple of the segments(wasn't able to watch the whole movie and see all the segments):

1.Stapp was smashed.....I mean, he was TOTALLY smashed. He slurred his speech, could barely put together sentences and basically acted like a really drunk person would. I haven't seen someone so drunk since some family members had a ton of beer and a few shots of whiskey. :laugh:

2.He acted like a complete goofball and was completely loose. He not only kissed Beth, but also asked for kisses from her. He even kissed the dude next to him! Something tells me if he were sober, he wouldn't have done that. ;) He also cussed a whole lot, which is something I'm not used to seeing from him, but I guess that happens when you are so drunk out of your mind.

3.You could tell just by the look on her face, that Beth was very uncomfortable around him. He definitely flirted with her a lot in the two or three clips I saw and I'd assume he probably did the same off-camera.

4.When they asked him about the album, he really didn't talk all that much about it. He kinda brushed it off to the side. That's not very good promotion for the CD, even if the dude next to him was constantly promoting it.

5.It didn't appear that he was nearly as bad as everyone made him out to be. Was he drunk out of his mind? Yes. Was he flirting with Beth? Of course. Was he rude? On-camera, at least, he really wasn't. Was he hilarious and funny to watch? Heck yes! Does he have a problem with drinking? Probably.

In conclusion, having watched a few of the segments, I can honestly say that I am no less a fan of his music than I was before this whole thing became common knowledge on these forums. I still enjoy TGD, and I still enjoy what he did with Creed. Nothing will change that. However, if he does have a problem with drinking excessively, I hope that he gets help. Things like that can not only destroy careers, but also wreck relationships with loved ones.

I will say that if I were a drinker(which I'm not) and a party'er, Stapp would be a lot of fun to hang out with...so long as he doesn't tell me "he is ready to fight". :laugh:

[Bridge of Clay]

That was some of the best television I've seen in a long while! He was completely hammered. I am a bigger fan of his now because of last night. I'm glad he "loosened" up a bit and showed us another side. I think I just might go out and buy another copy of his CD. Awesome!
Oh...

My...

God...

[IamFilthy]

What are you, stoned? lol :wtf:

To me, it was a different way to go. What was your problem w/ it? It's not like he got drunk on a televised children's hospital fundraiser! He was drunk on a show, playing cards while watching "Kickboxer" on SPIKETV!! How cool and laidback is that? :cheers: :drunk: :drunk2:

[The Lithium]

That was some of the best television I've seen in a long while! He was completely hammered. I am a bigger fan of his now because of last night. I'm glad he "loosened" up a bit and showed us another side. I think I just might go out and buy another copy of his CD. Awesome!
Oh yes, Stapp appeared drunk out of his mind on TV, let's all buy more CDs!! Maybe some Vodka too?

[Bridge of Clay]

yeah, it's the ultimate cool thing to do. let's all get drunk and party... let's all make fun of preachers and God... let's all show disrespect to the others by appearing drunk and speaking non sense.

[crest tattoo]

Just a note to ctfan and imafilthy, I was kidding around. Sorry you didn't get that.
I just thought you were being sarcastic, a titch, saying, "Ooohh, stapp makes being drunk look fun. Let's all join in!" Jokingly.
Titan, couldn't have said it better!

[IamFilthy]

yeah, it's the ultimate cool thing to do. let's all get drunk and party... let's all make fun of preachers and God... let's all show disrespect to the others by appearing drunk and speaking non sense.

C'mon! It's not that bigga deal. So he got drunk. Who cares? They were having a good time. And I don't care what Beth,the host, says....she looked like she got a kick outta it. And how is it direspectful?....It's SPIKETV! The ONLY all men's network....they probably encourage it. Did you see the enviroment the show was in?

[emissarygtrist]

I think I should go get some vodka... maybe then I'll understand what u people mean by saying getting hammered and going on national TV is cool and mocking God, being a jerk to women, and lying about writing ALL the Creed stuff is cool???? I use to like him but I'm not gonna try to defend him.

ALTER BRIDGE = 110% MUSIC

Scott Stapp = 90% proof

[crest tattoo]

Now that was funny! That humor I'd like to join in on! lol (Stapp 90% alcohol).
Hey, I still love the music though!

[IamFilthy]

I think I should go get some vodka... maybe then I'll understand what u people mean by saying getting hammered and going on national TV is cool and mocking God, being a jerk to women, and lying about writing ALL the Creed stuff is cool???? I use to like him but I'm not gonna try to defend him.

ALTER BRIDGE = 110% MUSIC

Scott Stapp = 90% proof

ALTER BRIDGE = 110% CRAP LEFTOVER FROM CREED

Scott Stapp = 90% OF CREED'S TALENT

just my opinion...but anyway, it's not that its cool to mock God..he had no idea what he was sayin'...I never saw him being a jerk to any woman....and as far as writing all the Creed stuff,..well,....I heard TGD and I heard OYE,..and I'm gonna have to believe Stapp,..not ALL Creed stuff though,..just 99.9% of it.

[evyllsummer]

What about when Howard gets touchy feely with every female guest has brings onto his show?

well, NEITHER of us know how their relationship rules are, but that's the sort of show that he runs, she's not expecting that sort of behavior on HER show, and that's CERTAINLY expressed in her side of the story that we've been hearing over the last week or so...but, let's stop for a moment: so, because of what Howard does on his shows, then she DESERVES to get felt up? I'm not understanding...

[crest tattoo]

ALTER BRIDGE = 110% CRAP LEFTOVER FROM CREED
Scott Stapp = 90% OF CREED'S TALENT
Now that's funny too! I needed a laugh today!

[emissarygtrist]

I just don't think it is right to go up to a lady you do not know rub on her tell her to kiss on u and speak to her like stapp was but whatever we all have our opinion (that's what makes life great), but my opinoin is AB all the way.

[Dogstar]

ALTER BRIDGE = 110% CRAP LEFTOVER FROM CREED

Scott Stapp = 90% OF CREED'S TALENT



Can't....stop....laughing....um, no, just no....

TGD= :vomit:

just my opinion

[revisfoot]

One question, though: If it were Slash or Scott Weiland getting on this show, completely wasted, would that have made you think differently of them? Why the double-standard?

[crest tattoo]

It's a great point you have there. Some of us have watched him to the point of thinking we know him better than we do, and he's up on that pedestal. It's easy to forgive someone you "know." No matter who it was or would be, I'd think that artist made a fool of himself. I just wouldn't "care" if it were someone I didn't know so well.

[TeriB19]

One question, though: If it were Slash or Scott Weiland getting on this show, completely wasted, would that have made you think differently of them? Why the double-standard?

Not sure I'm holding him to a double standard. In MY opinion, Stapp's quickly headed in the direction that Slash and Weiland went and if he's not careful, he's going to alienate many of those who continued to try to give him the benefit fo the doubt. He's well on his way, unfortunately.

[sina2b]

Not sure I'm holding him to a double standard. In MY opinion, Stapp's quickly headed in the direction that Slash and Weiland went and if he's not careful, he's going to alienate many of those who continued to try to give him the benefit fo the doubt. He's well on his way, unfortunately.

No one is giving scott the benefit of the doubt, hes way passed that. People just dont want to admit that they were wrong and the benefit of the doubt is just en excuse for that matter.

[Knight2255]

Does anyone have the vid of stapp on the spike tv show?

[Chase]

I think I should go get some vodka... maybe then I'll understand what u people mean by saying getting hammered and going on national TV is cool and mocking God, being a jerk to women, and lying about writing ALL the Creed stuff is cool???? I use to like him but I'm not gonna try to defend him.

ALTER BRIDGE = 110% MUSIC

Scott Stapp = 90% proof

No need to defend him... we all think it's funny.

[Chase]

Not sure I'm holding him to a double standard. In MY opinion, Stapp's quickly headed in the direction that Slash and Weiland went and if he's not careful, he's going to alienate many of those who continued to try to give him the benefit fo the doubt. He's well on his way, unfortunately.

If this was Axl Rose, Scott Weiland, Slash... or any other rockstar we all know that you guys wouldn't piss your pants over it.

[Chase]

I think I should go get some vodka... maybe then I'll understand what u people mean by saying getting hammered and going on national TV is cool and mocking God, being a jerk to women, and lying about writing ALL the Creed stuff is cool???? I use to like him but I'm not gonna try to defend him.

ALTER BRIDGE = 110% MUSIC

Scott Stapp = 90% proof

Oh god... Tremonti ragged on Stapp for over a year before Stapp actually ragged on them back. No need to cry about it. That's what they do. Get over it.

First people get on his case for saying he's too much of a Christian, then they got on his case for making light of a situation. If it was a comedian doing it... you'd find it funny.

[Dogstar]

OMG...I just saw this. He made a complete ass out of himself, LOL. Though a couple of times he was actually funny. Beth O, or whatever her name is was cleary uncomfortable with him. She called him a very interesting guest at the end, haha.

[sina2b]

OMG...I just saw this. He made a complete ass out of himself, LOL. Though a couple of times he was actually funny. Beth O, or whatever her name is was cleary uncomfortable with him. She called him a very interesting guest at the end, haha.

could you share a link or anything so we can see it too. please.

[facelessmike]

could you share a link or anything so we can see it too. please.

Yes, Dog - please give us a link...Im Dying to see it!! :D :drunk:

[facelessmike]

*twiddles thumbs waiting anxiously - even hi speed will take 5 mins -Ah!*

:D

Right click, save target as:
http://www.abbmedia.net/video-misc/Scott_Stapp-Casino_Cinema-katygal.mpg

This should be good!

:cheers: :duff: :stapp: :drunk:

[TeriB19]

If this was Axl Rose, Scott Weiland, Slash... or any other rockstar we all know that you guys wouldn't piss your pants over it.
First of all, I'm not pissing in my pants. Secondly, I was never a big fan of GNR or STP. I WAS a big Creed fan and of Stapp.

[facelessmike]

Yeah, no one's pissing their pants(except pbf)...
All I can say after watching that is I wanna go drinking with SS! That was some really funny $#!t !
But, I do hope he addresses his alcoholism for the good of himself and his career.

[The Lithium]

C'mon! It's not that bigga deal. So he got drunk. Who cares? They were having a good time. And I don't care what Beth,the host, says....she looked like she got a kick outta it. And how is it direspectful?....It's SPIKETV! The ONLY all men's network....they probably encourage it. Did you see the enviroment the show was in?
Dude... He made a mistake, there is no way SpikeTV wanted him to act that wasted!

just my opinion...but anyway, it's not that its cool to mock God..he had no idea what he was sayin'...
So now, is this still a cool thing?

I never saw him being a jerk to any woman....
Probably because the most of that crap was CUT OUT of the show!

and as far as writing all the Creed stuff,..well,....I heard TGD and I heard OYE,..and I'm gonna have to believe Stapp,..not ALL Creed stuff though,..just 99.9% of it.
Come on... There is no way Stapp wrote 99.9% of the material! Even you know that! Mark was the geneius behind Creed, and in Alter Bridge... Well, he's just showing us another side of his songwriting, unlike Stapp...

[crest tattoo]

I live in Wisconsin, and it's snowing here today, up to 3 inches. Hope you feel better! ;)

[titan9]

Lith, if you read the news story, SpikeTV said they'd show the interview w/appropriate censoring. It remains to be seen if he acted like an ass off screen or not. All it is at this point is pure speculation. Although, given how uncomfortable Beth looked on-screen, it wouldn't shock me if all the rumors about him acting like a jerk are true.

[Trimontana]

I just watched the clip and i felt bad for Stapp. I'm not defending him but he made me feel sad, i didnt laugh at all seeing him acting like this. I felt sad to see a man who had everything: an awesome voice, a huge fan base, won awards and played in arenas full of thousand of people...and suddenly there he is...drunk on national tv saying non-sense sentences. I just dont get it :confused:. I hope he finds a way to be himself again cause he really needs help.

[sina2b]

hahahahahaha this is guy out of his mind, WindUP should put him on a tight leash! I dont understand why windup isnt doing anything about all this they used to care more atleast for themselves.

P.S does he even make close to what howard makes? what kind of a stupid comment was that even if it was true.

[crest tattoo]

I agree about it being so sad Trimontana! I had a hard time watching it. It was like watching someone self-destruct. I had to stop myself from turning it off plenty of times. Feel bad for everyone that loves him. :(

[TeriB19]

I watched it this morning and it was horrible and uncomfortable to watch. He made an ass of himself. I was truly embarassed for him.

[Luke4488]

I always liked Stapp, and I always liked Mark and the guys. I also figured that what they were saying about Stapp was exaggerated and that they were just not on good terms anymore, so they made him sound worse than he really is. But after watching him make a prick of himself, being drunk on national tv, I'm really wondering if he was as bad if not worse than Mark, Brian, and Flip say he was. I'm sure there is tons of stuff that will never be said about what Stapp was really like during the Creed days, but if it was anything like his performance the other night, I pity Mark, Brian, and Flip for having to deal with it.
Its a crying shame and very sad to watch someone with such singing and song writing talent such as Stapp, go and make a joke out of himself. If he keeps this up, he won't have a music career anymore. He won't be known as the great voice behind Creed either, he will be known for stunts like the other night and how he could have been something big, but blew it. I honestly believe that Stapp is a good guy, when he is sober of course, and that there is hope yet, if he would his head out of you know where.
OK. I'm done ranting. Sorry if its too long.

[Chase]

I just watched the clip and i felt bad for Stapp. I'm not defending him but he made me feel sad, i didnt laugh at all seeing him acting like this. I felt sad to see a man who had everything: an awesome voice, a huge fan base, won awards and played in arenas full of thousand of people...and suddenly there he is...drunk on national tv saying non-sense sentences. I just dont get it :confused:. I hope he finds a way to be himself again cause he really needs help.

But here's what I don't get. You, as well as a bunch of other people hated him when he was being himself. Now that he apparently has an aura about him that shows that he really doesn't care about anything anymore... you hate that also. What do you expect from him? He was a laughing stock before this happened... and now... he just doing whatever the hell he wants because he knows he has nothing to lose anymore.

[Trimontana]

But here's what I don't get. You, as well as a bunch of other people hated him when he was being himself. Now that he apparently has an aura about him that shows that he really doesn't care about anything anymore... you hate that also. What do you expect from him? He was a laughing stock before this happened... and now... he just doing whatever the hell he wants because he knows he has nothing to lose anymore.

Man, you really did get all wrong. I dont hate Stapp and with my statment i dont think when you read it, you can say i hate him....you are obssesed that i hate Stapp :wtf: I felt sad to see him acting like that on tv...i dont think thats anything to do with hate.

[crest tattoo]

Teri, I sooo know what you are saying. I felt the same humiliation for him. I wonder how his GF felt after that.
Luke, I agree with you too, and I just wonder if he shouldn't remove himself from the spotlight. I don't think he can handle it.
I wonder how Mark felt about Scott's little performance. He prob sat back and thought, "Finally, everyone believes me."
So sad, so sad.

[titan9]

Especially sad when you consider that he got engaged just five days earlier. That must have made his fiancee angry to see him behaving that way around the SpikeTV chick. I know if I were in her shoes, I'd be pretty upset.

[Rocketqueen]

:mad1: :mad1: I Tell Ya What Im really Really Pissed Off About!!!!! Is the Tounges On some Of Those 311, message boards damn it , Posting your opion is one thing damn thing But Some Of thier Opion Was FREAKING UNCALLED FOR Think GOD im to stupid To Log Myself In on some of theme, thier tounges did the WRATH OF GOD thats why im praying for,em early OH LORD HOW LONG WILT THOU LOOK ON RESCUE MY SOUL FROM THEIR DESTRUCTION MY DARLIN FROM THE LIONS I WILL GIVE THANKS OH LORD EVERYWHERE I WILL PRAISE THEE LET NOT THEME THAT ARE MINE ENMIES WRONGFULLY REJOICE OVER ME NEITHER LETH THEME WINK WITH THE EYE THAT HATE ME WITHOUT CAUSE FOR THEY SPEAK NOT PEACE BUT THEY DEVISE DECEITFUL MATTER AGAINST THEME THAT ARE QUIET IN THE LAND YEA THEY OPEND THEIR MOUTH WIDE AND SAID AHA AHA OUR EYE HATH SEEN IT THIS THIS THOU HAST SEEN O LORD THY GOD ABOVE THE HEAVENS KEEP NOT SILENT OH LORD BE NOT FAR FROM ME OH GOD OF JUSTICE OH GOD OF THAT KNOWS THE RIGHTEOUSNESS AND LET THEME NOT REJOICE OVER ME OH LORD OH LORD LET THEME NOT SAY IN THEIR HEARTS AH SO WOULD WE HAVE IT LET THEME NOT SAY WE HAVE SWALLOWED HIM LET THEME BE ASHAMED OH LORD OH GOD AND BROUGHT TOGETHER THAT REJOICE AT MINE HURT OH LORD LET THEME BE CLOTHED WITH SHAMED OH LORD AND DISHONOUR THAT MAGNIFY THEMESELFS AGAINS ME LET THEME SHOUT FOR JOY AND BE GLAD THAT FAVOUR MY RIGHTEOUS CAUSE YEA LET THEME CONTINUALY LET THE LORD MAGNIFIED WHICH HATH PLEASURE IN THE PROSPERTIY OF HIS SERVANT AND MY TOUNGE SHALL SPEAK OF THY RIGHTEOUSNESS AND OF THY PRAISE OH LORD ALL THE DAY LONG, i apolagize members wrong forum , i could,nt help myself

[Robin101]

Just saw the CC clip. I read your remarks before I viewed the clip.

Now, I don't drink - I'm as close to sober 24/7 as you could be - but I found it funny more than uncomfortable.

Uncomfortable? Why would you feel uncomfortable? How many of you have been drunk and acted like that? And before you say it, it doesn't matter if you're on T.V in view of a national audience or just with your mates. People who felt uncomfortable were probably those who placed him on a pedestal and carefully analyse everything he does. Now I know why he needs to 'loosen-up'.

And what about some of the comments you made about what he said! HE WAS DRUNK!! He didn't disrespect his GF - HE WAS DRUNK!! He didn't know what the hosts were asking him, let alone being able to form a coherent response! His GF knows the 'real' Stapp. No one on this forum does - talk about judgmental!

I don't know what the status of CC is, but do you think Stapp would turn up on Leno/Letterman like that?

On a lighter note - did anyone think he sounded like Sly Stallone?

Take Care

[TeriB19]

Uncomfortable? Why would you feel uncomfortable? How many of you have been drunk and acted like that? And before you say it, it doesn't matter if you're on T.V in view of a national audience or just with your mates. People who felt uncomfortable were probably those who placed him on a pedestal and carefully analyse everything he does. Now I know why he needs to 'loosen-up'. Ok before YOU go on, it most certainly DOES matter if you're on TV, if your a newly solo artist on a promotional tour, trying to get people to listen to your new CD. And I'm not one to put him on a pedastal and analyze everything he does, so don't be so quick to categorize me as such. Do you think the people at Wind Up were proud of him for his actions and behavior? Sticking chips in his mouth? Slurring his speech? There is a time and a place for everything, and the time to get drunk and act like an ass is NOT before a television appearance.

And what about some of the comments you made about what he said! HE WAS DRUNK!! He didn't disrespect his GF - HE WAS DRUNK!! He didn't know what the hosts were asking him, let alone being able to form a coherent response! His GF knows the 'real' Stapp. No one on this forum does - talk about judgmental! No, you're right, no one on this forum knows him personally. And I personally don't think I'd WANT to meet him if he would be falling-down, sloppy, piss-eyed drunk. Maybe it's because I'm older than many of the members here, but I think it's wrong to get shitfaced and then go on national television and make an ass of yourself. Do you think his parents, his sisters, his girlfriend or his SON for that matter, thought it was funny?

I think it made me uncomfortable because I know what a great talent he has and what he's capable of, and I think that by making himself look foolish and quite possibly alienating many people who otherwise would've given his new CD a listen, he did more damage to his career. Had the Chicago show never happened, maybe it would've been funny, but knowing how he behaved in Chicago, then hearing his lame ass excuse for it, THEN seeing him wasted on television, I think he's definitely on a downward spiral, despite what he wants the general public to think.

/rant.

[Chase]

Man, you really did get all wrong. I dont hate Stapp and with my statment i dont think when you read it, you can say i hate him....you are obssesed that i hate Stapp :wtf: I felt sad to see him acting like that on tv...i dont think thats anything to do with hate.\

"You are obsessed that I hate Stapp?" That make no sense whatsoever.

[Robin101]

No, you're right, no one on this forum knows him personally. And I personally don't think I'd WANT to meet him if he would be falling-down, sloppy, piss-eyed drunk. Maybe it's because I'm older than many of the members here, but I think it's wrong to get shitfaced and then go on national television and make an ass of yourself.

Because I'm older (?)

Do you think his parents, his sisters, his girlfriend or his SON for that matter, thought it was funny?

Again, not for me to even consider, I don't know them - maybe they did find it funny. As for bringing them into the discussion - I have no feelings for the man on a personal level. I do wish him the best, though - Love the music, not the person.

I think it made me uncomfortable because I know what a great talent he has and what he's capable of, and I think that by making himself look foolish and quite possibly alienating many people who otherwise would've given his new CD a listen, he did more damage to his career.

It doesn't matter how Stapp presented himself on CC. It is quite easy to see (especially on this forum) that people formed their own opinion of Stapp, both on a personal and professional level, a long time ago - even before the Chicago incident. I don't think his actions have altered/harmed his sales in anyway.

People are not going to think 'Hey, Stapp's on CC tonight. Let's watch it so we can make the final decision on whether or not we're going to buy his album'.

Take Care (and calm down...calm down Teri19 - make yourself a nice cuppa and relax - it was only my opinion) :)

[Chase]

Ok before YOU go on, it most certainly DOES matter if you're on TV, if your a newly solo artist on a promotional tour, trying to get people to listen to your new CD. And I'm not one to put him on a pedastal and analyze everything he does, so don't be so quick to categorize me as such. Do you think the people at Wind Up were proud of him for his actions and behavior? Sticking chips in his mouth? Slurring his speech? There is a time and a place for everything, and the time to get drunk and act like an ass is NOT before a television appearance.

No, you're right, no one on this forum knows him personally. And I personally don't think I'd WANT to meet him if he would be falling-down, sloppy, piss-eyed drunk. Maybe it's because I'm older than many of the members here, but I think it's wrong to get shitfaced and then go on national television and make an ass of yourself. Do you think his parents, his sisters, his girlfriend or his SON for that matter, thought it was funny?

I think it made me uncomfortable because I know what a great talent he has and what he's capable of, and I think that by making himself look foolish and quite possibly alienating many people who otherwise would've given his new CD a listen, he did more damage to his career. Had the Chicago show never happened, maybe it would've been funny, but knowing how he behaved in Chicago, then hearing his lame ass excuse for it, THEN seeing him wasted on television, I think he's definitely on a downward spiral, despite what he wants the general public to think.

/rant.

I like how you make it sound like Scott is the only rock musician that's been drunk. I don't think he's really "alienating" anybody. Maybe the Bible thumpers... but that's it. Like I said earlier... I'm a against drug use... but I love the Doors. That doesn't take away from the music.

[Robin101]

I like how you make it sound like Scott is the only rock musician that's been drunk. I don't think he's really "alienating" anybody.

I agree.

[Trimontana]

\

"You are obsessed that I hate Stapp?" That make no sense whatsoever.


I think makes sense what i wrote. If you are trying to make me feel like an stupid saying that it doesnt have any sense what i wrote, you are mistaken. Its corret what i wrote...may be thats your problem cause you dont get the meaning of the sentence.

[sina2b]

The music that Stapp makes is far from what the Doors made. If Stapp ever makes that kind of music, then ok he can do whatever the hell he wants and we wont get upset and will still like his music and prefer his talents over his behaviour. But what hes doing and making right now isnt even good for some or most people for that matter. if he was making good music he would be selling more, getting more air play and all that stuff. However for the people who enjoy his music all that much, your more than free to support his stupidity; it just might make you look even more stupid.

[Robin101]

The music that Stapp makes is far from what the Doors made. If Stapp ever makes that kind of music, then ok he can do whatever the hell he wants and we wont get upset and will still like his music and prefer his talents over his behaviour. But what hes doing and making right now isnt even good for some or most people for that matter. if he was making good music he would be selling more, getting more air play and all that stuff. However for the people who enjoy his music all that much, your more than free to support his stupidity; it just might make you look even more stupid.

:ignore: :rolleyes:

[sina2b]

I think makes sense what i wrote. If you are trying to make me feel like an stupid saying that it doesnt have any sense what i wrote, you are mistaken. Its corret what i wrote...may be thats your problem cause you dont get the meaning of the sentence.

makes sense to me 2.

[Chase]

The music that Stapp makes is far from what the Doors made. If Stapp ever makes that kind of music, then ok he can do whatever the hell he wants and we wont get upset and will still like his music and prefer his talents over his behaviour. But what hes doing and making right now isnt even good for some or most people for that matter. if he was making good music he would be selling more, getting more air play and all that stuff. However for the people who enjoy his music all that much, your more than free to support his stupidity; it just might make you look even more stupid.

I'm glad you bring up the topic of good record sells... something that Alter Bridge has yet to experience. The quality is what matters... not quanity. The Great Divide is better than Weathered... but Weathered was more successful. Hillary Duff gets more airplay that Stapp and Alter Bridge... does that mean that she's a better musician?

[sina2b]

I'm glad you bring up the topic of good record sells... something that Alter Bridge has yet to experience. The quality is what matters... not quanity. The Great Divide is better than Weathered... but Weathered was more successful. Hillary Duff gets more airplay that Stapp and Alter Bridge... does that mean that she's a better musician?

Yea hillary duff is really good in her own kind and in that kind of music (pop or whatever u call it) which I dont listen too. AB didnt sell alot but still sold more than stapp considering that they received no promotion compared to stapp. however they still did well and on top of all that they dont go around acting like an ass because your probably right, if they did they wouldnt have achieved what theyve achieved so far.

[Ana4Stapp]

Hey...only now i had the opportunity of seeing this interview at Casino Cinema...and theres no way of defense...this guy was drunk!!!!! His attitudes were disgusting...(trying to kiss the girl all the time) it was SAD, very SAD! I cant believe his manager let him to participate of that show...

I cant believe that are still people here defending him...I like his music, but theres no way of defending his performance because hes a rockstar....it sucks...completely!

And I didnt see the whole show, cuz my realplayer really sucks :eek: --but waht I saw was ENOUGH!!!!! Humiliating !!!

And like someone said here(sorry but I cant remember who was) -- I thought ' this is the reason of Mark and Flip had left him' ...

[Ana4Stapp]

I wonder how Mark felt about Scott's little performance. He prob sat back and thought, "Finally, everyone believes me."
So sad, so sad.

Definitely!

[crest tattoo]

Hey, one good thing is we all now know Jagger knows where babies come from! :eek:

[facelessmike]

Hey, one good thing is we all now know Jagger knows where babies come from! :eek:

lol!!!!

Hiiyyyyyaaaaa! :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Chase]

Yea hillary duff is really good in her own kind and in that kind of music (pop or whatever u call it) which I dont listen too. AB didnt sell alot but still sold more than stapp considering that they received no promotion compared to stapp. however they still did well and on top of all that they dont go around acting like an ass because your probably right, if they did they wouldnt have achieved what theyve achieved so far.

Hillary Duff is a good musician? Wow. I'm going to avoid asking you what you think of Lindsay Lohan... that way you don't embarrass yourself any further. One Day Remains has been out for nearly a year and a half... whereas Stapp has been out for less than a month. Every Creed hater I know hates Alter Bridge. They don't like Kennedy's voice, just like they don't like Stapp's. Neither band is really winning over any new listeners.

[Ana4Stapp]

. Every Creed hater I know hates Alter Bridge. They don't like Kennedy's voice, just like they don't like Stapp's. Neither band is really winning over any new listeners.

I used to hate AB...lol but now I LOVE them , specially Myles ! But I cant agree (of course) with your point here; I think AB has a lot of new fans, but im not sure if is the same with Stapp :confused:

[sina2b]

Hillary Duff is a good musician? Wow. I'm going to avoid asking you what you think of Lindsay Lohan... that way you don't embarrass yourself any further. One Day Remains has been out for nearly a year and a half... whereas Stapp has been out for less than a month. Every Creed hater I know hates Alter Bridge. They don't like Kennedy's voice, just like they don't like Stapp's. Neither band is really winning over any new listeners.

As far as pop music goes yea shes probably good thats why shes successfull, from a Rock perspective no she sucks. you know people dont make money for no reason, if they did yould probably be a celebrity or a billionare too by now which I doubt it. Thats what pop music is about, cheesy music, good looks and a whole lot of publicity, within those specs hillary duff is qualified and doing a good job at it.

[Rocketqueen]

i happen to like Hillary Duff

[Chase]

As far as pop music goes yea shes probably good thats why shes successfull, from a Rock perspective no she sucks. you know people dont make money for no reason, if they did yould probably be a celebrity or a billionare too by now which I doubt it. Thats what pop music is about, cheesy music, good looks and a whole lot of publicity, within those specs hillary duff is qualified and doing a good job at it.

I agree with you now that you clarified what you meant. I was afraid that you were putting a good talent label on her music. A lot has to do with the fact that she was already a popular child actress... and they essentially gave her a record contract without her having to prove herself.

[Chase]

I used to hate AB...lol but now I LOVE them , specially Myles ! But I cant agree (of course) with your point here; I think AB has a lot of new fans, but im not sure if is the same with Stapp :confused:

I'm not saying that they haven't gotten any new listeners... but once they started releasing songs like "Open Your Eyes" and "Broken Wings" (which I don't find to be that Creedish)... a lot of people were deeming them to be "Creed Part 2." Because we're fans of them... we know that's not the case. Yet, for the average Creed hater... they don't see it that way.

[ctfan]

:mad1: :mad1: I Tell Ya What Im really Really Pissed Off About!!!!! Is the Tounges On some Of Those 311, message boards damn it , Posting your opion is one thing damn thing But Some Of thier Opion Was FREAKING UNCALLED FOR Think GOD im to stupid To Log Myself In on some of theme, thier tounges did the WRATH OF GOD thats why im praying for,em early

Now your talking rocketqueen. I've read their stuff too, and wow, for a band who promotes peace, they sure have some really violent fans.

[crest tattoo]

I happen to love AB and Scott!

[Ana4Stapp]

I'm not saying that they haven't gotten any new listeners... but once they started releasing songs like "Open Your Eyes" and "Broken Wings" (which I don't find to be that Creedish)... a lot of people were deeming them to be "Creed Part 2." Because we're fans of them... we know that's not the case. Yet, for the average Creed hater... they don't see it that way.

Yeah, even though the guys tried to not be compared to Creed, I saw people saying they were Creed part 2, which I clearly dont agree.But also think that AB can get much more fans that Stapp now.Its a matter of time ;)

[titan9]

I happen to love AB and Scott!

Same here. It seems that type of fan is few and far between. I honestly refuse to take sides, as I hold both on an equal level. I will defend either, though, if I feel that they are getting unfairly bashed.

I'm not sure where to post this, so I guess here is alright. Anyway, I was on PBF and saw a post about Brett Hestla(ex-Creed touring bassist). In it, there was a link to an interview I'm assuming he did pretty recently. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7915459315763427148&q=virgos In the interview, he talks candidly about the Creed break-up. I found some of the quotes interesting, in regards to Stapp and his illnesses:

"when someone is crying for help, it's time to stop the train and fix the problem..."

"learn to deal with every problem very seriously and give it the attention that it deserves..."

With all this talk of it completely being Stapp's fault that he didn't seek help(during the Weathered tour) for his illnesses, maybe there IS some truth to him saying that he "took one for the team"? Maybe his bandmates really weren't concerned with his health problems and just didn't want to deal with it? It's certainly interesting to hear this interview from Brett, as he is an unbiased observer. Just some food for the thought.

[Dogstar]

Same here. It seems that type of fan is few and far between. I honestly refuse to take sides, as I hold both on an equal level. I will defend either, though, if I feel that they are getting unfairly bashed.

I'm not sure where to post this, so I guess here is alright. Anyway, I was on PBF and saw a post about Brett Hestla(ex-Creed touring bassist). In it, there was a link to an interview I'm assuming he did pretty recently. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7915459315763427148&q=virgos In the interview, he talks candidly about the Creed break-up. I found some of the quotes interesting, in regards to Stapp and his illnesses:

"when someone is crying for help, it's time to stop the train and fix the problem..."

"learn to deal with every problem very seriously and give it the attention that it deserves..."

With all this talk of it completely being Stapp's fault that he didn't seek help(during the Weathered tour) for his illnesses, maybe there IS some truth to him saying that he "took one for the team"? Maybe his bandmates really weren't concerned with his health problems and just didn't want to deal with it? It's certainly interesting to hear this interview from Brett, as he is an unbiased observer. Just some food for the thought.

Ya know, can't ANYBODY get the facts straight? In the narrative of that interview they say Stapp's infamous show where he was drunk was on New Year's Eve. HELLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!??!? Grrr.

[IamFilthy]

Same here. It seems that type of fan is few and far between. I honestly refuse to take sides, as I hold both on an equal level. I will defend either, though, if I feel that they are getting unfairly bashed.

I'm not sure where to post this, so I guess here is alright. Anyway, I was on PBF and saw a post about Brett Hestla(ex-Creed touring bassist). In it, there was a link to an interview I'm assuming he did pretty recently. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7915459315763427148&q=virgos In the interview, he talks candidly about the Creed break-up. I found some of the quotes interesting, in regards to Stapp and his illnesses:

"when someone is crying for help, it's time to stop the train and fix the problem..."

"learn to deal with every problem very seriously and give it the attention that it deserves..."

With all this talk of it completely being Stapp's fault that he didn't seek help(during the Weathered tour) for his illnesses, maybe there IS some truth to him saying that he "took one for the team"? Maybe his bandmates really weren't concerned with his health problems and just didn't want to deal with it? It's certainly interesting to hear this interview from Brett, as he is an unbiased observer. Just some food for the thought.

Finally Brett says what i have believed the whole time,....Mark and Flip were obviously money-hungry assholes!

[crest tattoo]

It was said from members backstage that he was pushed very hard to perform. Sorry, can't remember who said it. I was in Chicago, yes he was very out of it, but yes, it is nice to know that Stapp was trying to reach out and not just blowing it. There is so much to this I'm sure none of us know.

[titan9]

Ya know, can't ANYBODY get the facts straight? In the narrative of that interview they say Stapp's infamous show where he was drunk was on New Year's Eve. HELLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!??!? Grrr.

Yeah, I noticed that. It really sucks when people don't do their research before posting something like that.

[Bridge of Clay]

Finally Brett says what i have believed the whole time,....Mark and Flip were obviously money-hungry assholes!
funny he confirmed to evyllsummer everything Mark and Flip said and say about Stapp...

[evyllsummer]

funny he confirmed to evyllsummer everything Mark and Flip said and say about Stapp...

exactly...you're a little mixed up on that one, Filthy...Brett and Mark are still friends, and Brett is telling the same story about Stapp that Mark has been telling...

[sina2b]

exactly...you're a little mixed up on that one, Filthy...Brett and Mark are still friends, and Brett is telling the same story about Stapp that Mark has been telling...

Everyones saying the same thing about stapp except for a bunch of people who are in the state of denial or just like to disagree and argue.

[titan9]

exactly...you're a little mixed up on that one, Filthy...Brett and Mark are still friends, and Brett is telling the same story about Stapp that Mark has been telling...

Which has got me confused. It seems like, in this interview, anyway, that Brett is insinuating that Scott wasn't given the attention or help he needed from his bandmates. But then again, I've heard that Brett has backed Mark and Flip's side of the story....so it's kinda confusing and contradictory.

[evyllsummer]

Which has got me confused. It seems like, in this interview, anyway, that Brett is insinuating that Scott wasn't given the attention or help he needed from his bandmates. But then again, I've heard that Brett has backed Mark and Flip's side of the story....so it's kinda confusing and contradictory.

well, no, he's talking about it in the interview...not stopping "the train" to deal with the problem, he's implying that Stapp is the problem and that he needs to be dealt with...the way the footage is edited, it's a little open to interpretation, so, if one WANTED to believe Stapp's story about how Mark and Flip turned their back on him, they could CHOOSE to interpret it that way, but, again, Brett and Mark are still friends and Brett backs Mark's story...all you have to do is go to a Dark New Day concert and ask him about it, and he will tell you...that's what I did...

[Trimontana]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Everyones saying the same thing about stapp except for a bunch of people who are in the state of denial or just like to disagree and argue.

very true

[titan9]

well, no, he's talking about it in the interview...not stopping "the train" to deal with the problem, he's implying that Stapp is the problem and that he needs to be dealt with...the way the footage is edited, it's a little open to interpretation, so, if one WANTED to believe Stapp's story about how Mark and Flip turned their back on him, they could CHOOSE to interpret it that way, but, again, Brett and Mark are still friends and Brett backs Mark's story...all you have to do is go to a Dark New Day concert and ask him about it, and he will tell you...that's what I did...

I see. You're right, given the limited amount of footage, it would be very easy to interpret it either way. Whenever I go to a DND concert(hopefully sometime within the next year :D), if I get a chance to meet Brett...I'll have to ask him about it.

[titan9]

Everyones saying the same thing about stapp except for a bunch of people who are in the state of denial or just like to disagree and argue.

Or how about those people who don't believe everything Mark and Flip have to say? Are they in a state of denial just because they don't think everything Mark says is the absolute, honest to God truth? Are they here just to "disagree and argue" because they don't believe everything Mark says? I think you are unfairly judging some of the people here who might defend Stapp. Not everyone who is a fan of the guy is dilusional, crazy, obsessed or here to cause fights. Some are just sticking up for a guy who they might think is unfairly bashed.

I've said the same thing for months now, but I might as well restate it: I think there is truth coming from both sides and that the real truth lies somewhere in between. I am an equal fan of Stapp and Alter Bridge and I will defend both when I think they are being unfairly bashed.

[sina2b]

Or how about those people who don't believe everything Mark and Flip have to say? Are they in a state of denial just because they don't think everything Mark says is the absolute, honest to God truth? Are they here just to "disagree and argue" because they don't believe everything Mark says? I think you are unfairly judging some of the people here who might defend Stapp. Not everyone who is a fan of the guy is dilusional, crazy, obsessed or here to cause fights. Some are just sticking up for a guy who they might think is unfairly bashed.

I've said the same thing for months now, but I might as well restate it: I think there is truth coming from both sides and that the real truth lies somewhere in between. I am an equal fan of Stapp and Alter Bridge and I will defend both when I think they are being unfairly bashed.

Titan,

I understand your point of view, but the thing is that its not only mark and the band, its tea party, its 311, its the former base player, its his former wife, its the casino cinema thingy that we all saw, its howard sterns girl friend and howard himself, its his current fiance who said he likes to mentally abuse people, its the people who attended the december show and so on ....

now is there 1 single person (who is/was close to this guy) to stand up for him and say that hes been a victim of lies and bashing?

There must be something wrong here when you put the facts together, thats all im saying.

[evyllsummer]

I see. You're right, given the limited amount of footage, it would be very easy to interpret it either way. Whenever I go to a DND concert(hopefully sometime within the next year :D), if I get a chance to meet Brett...I'll have to ask him about it.

do it, man...I guarantee a great show...DnD sound even BETTER live than the cd, and Brett always delivers kick ass vocals live...

[Ana4Stapp]

Titan,

I understand your point of view, but the thing is that its not only mark and the band, its tea party, its 311, its the former base player, its his former wife, its the casino cinema thingy that we all saw, its howard sterns girl friend and howard himself, its his current fiance who said he likes to mentally abuse people, its the people who attended the december show and so on ....

now is there 1 single person (who is/was close to this guy) to stand up for him and say that hes been a victim of lies and bashing?

There must be something wrong here when you put the facts together, thats all im saying.
;)

[Muad'Dib]

Anywhere where I can grab the whole show, ive only got small clip and from what Ive read missing out heaps.

[evyllsummer]

Anywhere where I can grab the whole show, ive only got small clip and from what Ive read missing out heaps.

the Casino vid or the Brett vid?

[Muad'Dib]

Cc

[evyllsummer]

Cc

it's at the Pit somewhere...

[Vliegs]

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=X4PVI64K

[Muad'Dib]

Many thanks, was funny shit!!!

[evyllsummer]

Many thanks, was funny shit!!!

in all seriousness, Windup needs to begin negociation with VH1 to get him on next season's Surreal Life...I shit you negative, ratings would go THROUGH THE ROOF!!! I am not being ironic, I would watch it every day...although not a fan of his music, I can honestly say that I AM quickly becoming a fan of his antics...I would LOVE to see more of Stapp doing that on tv...I thought that it was very entertaining...if that WAS the real Stapp, he should show more of that side of him...

[SummerGirl]

I'm right there with you ES...I would watch every minute of Stapp on the Surreal Life...

[Sentinel69]

It was funny ,he had a good time. I don't understand the debate here.He is human after all ,no one has to tell him how he should do certain things. He makes good music .

gr,
Irene

[Robin101]

It was funny ,he had a good time. I don't understand the debate here.He is human after all ,no one has to tell him how he should do certain things. He makes good music .

gr,
Irene

You're right!!

I do not have to justify the way I live my life
I do not have to justify the reason I'm alive

-Justify, Scott Stapp

[Rocketqueen]

It was funny ,he had a good time. I don't understand the debate here.He is human after all ,no one has to tell him how he should do certain things. He makes good music .

gr,
Irene
DAMN IT you guys always do that i,ve been looking for THE CROW For An AVI i cant find one small enough And Back On Topic I agree Right with ya !!!

[titan9]

in all seriousness, Windup needs to begin negociation with VH1 to get him on next season's Surreal Life...I shit you negative, ratings would go THROUGH THE ROOF!!! I am not being ironic, I would watch it every day...although not a fan of his music, I can honestly say that I AM quickly becoming a fan of his antics...I would LOVE to see more of Stapp doing that on tv...I thought that it was very entertaining...if that WAS the real Stapp, he should show more of that side of him...

Haha, I'd have to agree. I've watched some of SL in the past, and I think Stapp would really fit in well on that show. If he's on the next season of SL, I'll definitely watch it.

[sina2b]

Haha, I'd have to agree. I've watched some of SL in the past, and I think Stapp would really fit in well on that show. If he's on the next season of SL, I'll definitely watch it.

hahaha yea and he might hookup with flava flave and collaborate with him on his next album :)

[titan9]

hahaha yea and he might hookup with flava flave and collaborate with him on his next album :)

Dear God, NO! That'd be awful. I pray that never happens. :D

[RockGoddess]

I'm right there with you ES...I would watch every minute of Stapp on the Surreal Life...


As long as he doesn't piss in a corner from a motorized scooter.

[evyllsummer]

As long as he doesn't piss in a corner from a motorized scooter.

I'm sure he could do it with more panache...

[Sentinel69]

DAMN IT you guys always do that i,ve been looking for THE CROW For An AVI i cant find one small enough And Back On Topic I agree Right with ya !!!

I made it myself ,the avatar.If you want one ,I can help if you want.


gr,
Irene