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Old 12-14-2004, 02:20 AM   #31
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From here on out, I'm not going to say that I'm a Stapp fan because you guys will burn me at the stake! lol j/k It was an honest article... but I still feel sorry for how much negativity is projected towards Stapp. Even his own fans... the people that used to defend him have turned on him. He needs to come back with an album that really shoves all of this negativity back into everyone's faces... he did that well while in Creed... let's see if he can do that by himself.
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Old 12-14-2004, 02:47 AM   #32
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Well, I have not turned on him, but I have been disappointed with his recent performances and with Relearn Love. It doesn't mean I don't support him. There's a difference. I just hope he does silence all the negativity with a kick-ass album, but if his recent activity is any indication, I'm not that hopeful. I'll wait and see, though.
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Old 12-14-2004, 09:51 AM   #33
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Quote: (Originally Posted by tremonti4life04) Actually, i believe that stapp is currently WALKING, YES WALKING to Mount Siani in Egypt to write his next record, man will it be a doozie, ill tell ya what. There on that mountain, a flaming bush will appear....and write his lyrics for him.
Dude, That is not Fucking Called For...
I respect Stapp Very Much for his Beliefs. His Current state of Talent may be Lacking... but once you poke fun at his faith... that's just fucking childish.
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Old 12-14-2004, 10:15 AM   #34
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Am I wrong for actually finding that a bit funny?(I'm a Christian)
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Old 12-14-2004, 11:22 AM   #35
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Read the article on another bb and for my own reasons, it had me LMAO...just seems that everybody has to have an opinion about stapp...doesn't it?

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Quote: but I still feel sorry for how much negativity is projected towards Stapp. Even his own fans... the people that used to defend him have turned on him.

The negativity towards stapp is NOT by his fans...as i see it...it is by people that as long as they get what they expect from someone, they are happy as clams...but let that person fall or not live up to their expectations...and we get what we have been getting...

negativity has it's place and that is to balance the positive...and vise versa...but this in not balancing anything...from my observations it has become pure "dislike" for another human being that a bunch of people speculate about...or accept second hand information about....

from my observations...second hand info can be opinionated depending on the source and their relationship with the person or information they are discussing or relaying at the time...be it in an article...or verbally from one person to the next.

those that really get it are the ones that are willing to let everyone find their own level...whether they agree with it or not...and can continue to enjoy whatever is being offered without all the negativity...

Believe me....NO ONE has turned their backs on stapp that really attempted to understand or continues to...

peace out...

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Old 12-14-2004, 11:44 AM   #36
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^^^

See this was my whole point about Stapp being held up on a pedestal in the Stapp Nascar thread. You are making Stapp fans look bad IMO.

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ann) NO ONE has turned their backs on stapp that really attempted to understand or continues to...

Just because I say I have lost respect for Stapp as a person does not mean I am not a fan or make me less of a fan. There's making a distinction between the person and the music. The way you talk, there is no distinction.
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Old 12-14-2004, 11:46 AM   #37
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Doesn't anyone have a sense of humor? I do not hate stapp, i like him, but he's been acting like a freakin weirdo lately. You have to remember, stapp was with creed and i love creed, otherwise i wouldnt have signed up for this forum, but sometimes I feel that there are certain things he does that needs picking on, believe me, if i really disliked him and disrespected his religion, i wouldnt have posted anything like that. Yes, I am agnostic, i dont believe in organized religion, there, im a "sinner" so to speak, call me what you will. I just like to pick on people who do stupid stuff. I've seen other people on here who have picked on stapp or alter bridge, or whomever, and they dont get fuckin roasted like i do.
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Old 12-14-2004, 11:49 AM   #38
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Torn Daredevil could you please refrain from making negative commits about PBF! You can have any opinion about Stapp that you want and that's ok but don't judge other people harshly just because thay don't share you opinion. I happen to be on that BB and they are a great bunch of people over there.
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Old 12-14-2004, 11:54 AM   #39
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And as for the "poking fun at his faith thing" Wylde-Tremonti, i wasnt picking on his faith, i was busting his balls about his writing process, because of how he always said My Own Prison came to him in his dreams and all that stuff, i DID NOT, in any way, mean to bust christianity, i may not be christian, and there are a lot of things about it that dont suit me, but i do not discriminate.
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Quote: There's making a distinction between the person and the music. The way you talk, there is no distinction.

well maybe this will clear a few things up then...for me THERE IS NO DISTINCTION between the person and their music/lyrics...

someone that is creative is putting themselves into their creation...be it music, lyrics, poetry, etc...whether they are there at the moment they write it...or whether it is a place they WANT to be, sometime down the road...they are the creation and the creation is in them.

when such things are done without that PERSONAL connection...then it is just superficial and it shows...stapps lyrical work is way too passionate not to have been created without the connection i am talking about.

that is part of "getting it"...

this is, of course how i see it...and i realize that others out there see it differently...again...believe what you will...each of us will see it in our own ways...that's what diversity is about.
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Ann, first of all I know you are an intelligent person, as are most who are on the Internet. And even though in my posts I am referring to your words, I am talking about Stapp fans (or whatever topic) in general, not specifically you. I realize you see things your way, but most don't. I still don't agree with your view, but irregardless of that there still is a difference between the music and the person. What if Scott Stapp was a convicted rapist or murderer? Would you still respect him as a person? My point is that you don't have to like the person as a whole to like and respect the music he/she makes.
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Quote: (Originally Posted by SCOTTSMYMAN) Torn Daredevil could you please refrain from making negative commits about PBF! You can have any opinion about Stapp that you want and that's ok but don't judge other people harshly just because thay don't share you opinion. I happen to be on that BB and they are a great bunch of people over there.
They may be "great people," but they are crazy. They worship Stapp as some sort of god, and that really disturbs me. I just think some of them only like him because they are physically attracted to him, or they are just mentally unstable.

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Old 12-14-2004, 05:50 PM   #43
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That's true, Steve. I can't comment on Stapp from a personal standpoint but can comment on him when it comes to music. I support him as a musician, but not necessarily as a person because I don't know him personally.
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Quote: (Originally Posted by Torn Daredevil) They may be "great people," but they are crazy. They worship Stapp as some sort of god, and that really disturbs me. I just think some of them only like him because they are physically attracted to him, or they are just mentally unstable.

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And I think you could probably make the same argument about some AB fans. Every artist has a fan that is extremely obsessed. Stapp and AB are no different.
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Quote: (Originally Posted by Torn Daredevil) They may be "great people," but they are crazy. They worship Stapp as some sort of god, and that really disturbs me. I just think some of them only like him because they are physically attracted to him, or they are just mentally unstable.

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Well, unless you personally know all those people than you have no right to call them unstable. My husband is also a member over there and from experience know it's not because he's attracted to Stapp. It's just a website where we can talk about Stapp without getting assholes like you who think we are all "crazy" or "obsessed". I don't think any of us have compared Scott to a GOD either.

We don't judge you or say shit about you so why don't you keep your opinion about people you don't even know or associate with to yourself.
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