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Old 04-22-2004, 04:18 PM   #16
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Quote: I'll take that emotion and passion over perfection/technique anyday.

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Old 04-22-2004, 06:04 PM   #17
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Quote: (Originally Posted by Dogstar) I second that!

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Quote: (Originally Posted by SmilinSkullRing) Sure, he's not a fantastic guitarist technically, but I get tired of perfect technique. He uses riffs and such very well to convey the message of his songs. I hear some solos that these perfect guitarists play and it has no feeling and does nothing to enhance the song. You can take a solo that Bruce plays and watch him play it and you will feel that song without even knowing the lyrics. I'll take that emotion and passion over perfection/technique anyday. I've heard many good guitarists defend capos by the way. Some people get snobby in their musical abilities or leanings and go against it, but it seems many who know what they are talking about don't really mind them.

Cheesy lines about the U.S.? Let me guess, you think Born In The U.S.A. is a flag-waving jingoistic song don't you? People should really listen to the lyrics.

Bruce's writing isn't that linear, and I see where you are coming from. Still doesn't take away the fact that he's one of the best. Seriously, go read his lyrics from anytime you want, but especially the '70s. Don't just rely on Born In The USA when you are getting the meaning wrong anyway.


Sorry but I know of his earlier stuff and its all the same. And you guys speak about Passion and Emotion. That isn't that hard to write into your songs and to sing it. For Springsteen he's not that emotional when he even delivers his music. Plus on that comment do you think people like that should out due those who practice and practice and refine there song writing capabilities everyday and hope to make it to the big. Personally I respect the guy for how long he's been around but he needs to give up and give younger and better artists a chance.-
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I disagree, Mr Anderson. Would you say the same thing to Bob Dylan or Bono or Eddie Van Halen? Age has absolutely NOTHING to do with making music. Talent like that doesn't dry up just because a person tacks on a few years. And I think you're dead wrong about how supposedly easy it is to have passion and emotion written into songs. Witness so much of the crap that is on the radio and in the record stores these days. It's all about money, not passion. *People like that* *rolls eyes*. You don't think Bruce Springsteen practiced and worked his ass off playing dives for years before he made it? That's just as dedicated as someone taking lessons and practicing playing. I don't give a crap if you're some virtuoso. If you can't convey emotion in your playing or singing, then you won't succeed in connecting with a listener. It's not about showing off, it's about feeling. And if you really know his early stuff, you would know there is a ton of emotion in his delivery. You really need a broader perspective.
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Old 04-23-2004, 12:13 PM   #21
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Quote: (Originally Posted by Dogstar) I disagree, Mr Anderson. Would you say the same thing to Bob Dylan or Bono or Eddie Van Halen? Age has absolutely NOTHING to do with making music. Talent like that doesn't dry up just because a person tacks on a few years. And I think you're dead wrong about how supposedly easy it is to have passion and emotion written into songs. Witness so much of the crap that is on the radio and in the record stores these days. It's all about money, not passion. *People like that* *rolls eyes*. You don't think Bruce Springsteen practiced and worked his ass off playing dives for years before he made it? That's just as dedicated as someone taking lessons and practicing playing. I don't give a crap if you're some virtuoso. If you can't convey emotion in your playing or singing, then you won't succeed in connecting with a listener. It's not about showing off, it's about feeling. And if you really know his early stuff, you would know there is a ton of emotion in his delivery. You really need a broader perspective.

You Speak of Bob Dylan and Eddie Van Halen, but those particular artist haven't recording anything new for awhile. And yes talent does dry up, you get older you get slower and you do lose some ability or speed. And yes dogstar it is easy to get emotion and passion in lyrics espically when you live a hard life and know first hand what others have went through and then you deliver your song through how you feel or how you think they feel. Its not a hard thing to grasp. And yes I know he worked hard for years but his music still is linear to some of these upcoming underground bands. And again I'm and perfectly aware on how to get to the listener, its just that my band hasn't gotten the break like Mr.Springsteen has. Oh yeah and do not talk to me about needing a broader perspective. I garuntee I have listened to more types of music and genres than you ever will. I listened to stuff from the early 20's all the way to the latest stuff today. Trust me I have a wide ass Perspective. One more thing I've heard all of Springsteens albums.

And just for the record. I don't hate Springsteen. I just believe he's an extremely overrated musician. Thats my stance on the whole matter.
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Bob Dylan's been putting out stuff for decades and Eddie V's going on tour, so I don't think they are quite so washed up yet. And maybe I should have specified, but I was talking about writing more than playing with regard to talent drying up.

Quote: And yes dogstar it is easy to get emotion and passion in lyrics espically when you live a hard life and know first hand what others have went through and then you deliver your song through how you feel or how you think they feel. Its not a hard thing to grasp.
Well, maybe for you it is. All I'm saying is that not everyone has that talent to convey their emotions and feelings through music. It's not evident in a lot of the music out there today. It doesnt' move me.

And, yes, Mr. Anderson, I, ,too, also know about living a hard life, so why don't you just knock that chip off your shoulder and realize you're not the only person who has had a tough time of it.

I never said you weren't perfectly aware of how to connect with the listener. This is not about YOU. I was saying that many people may have technical skills to play or sing, but if there is no feeling or passion behind it, then it won't work.

I, too, have listened to all kinds of music from different time periods as well, so BFD. It doesn't make you or I any better a judge of what we like in music. With regard to a broader perspective, I meant more about life in general. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

I never said you hated Springsteen, either. I know what you said. We just disagree.
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Quote: (Originally Posted by Mr.Anderson) Sorry but I know of his earlier stuff and its all the same. And you guys speak about Passion and Emotion. That isn't that hard to write into your songs and to sing it. For Springsteen he's not that emotional when he even delivers his music. Plus on that comment do you think people like that should out due those who practice and practice and refine there song writing capabilities everyday and hope to make it to the big. Personally I respect the guy for how long he's been around but he needs to give up and give younger and better artists a chance.-

Well, I think DS has done a pretty good job already saying what I need to say.

All of his earlier stuff isn't the same. He has a great take on harder living, wanting to get away, Vietnam war, etc. It is hard to write and play true passion into your songs. Look at all the contrived music we have on the airwaves today. He's very emotional when he delivers his music. I have no idea how you come up with that. Refine their songwriting capabilities? Songwriting isn't about sitting down everyday for two hours and trying to pull something out. You either have it or you don't. Sure people are still going to like what you are bringing to the table I'm sure, but there is a huge difference. As Bruce says you don't want to try and contrive spontaneity. Bob Dylan has the same view on this subject. No musician should give up as long as they still have it. There's enough room for everyone.
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Old 04-24-2004, 12:02 AM   #24
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Quote: (Originally Posted by Mr.Anderson) You Speak of Bob Dylan and Eddie Van Halen, but those particular artist haven't recording anything new for awhile.

I can't speak about Eddie, but I can speak about Bob. Bob Dylan just put out one of his best albums in 2001, before that he put another classic album in 1997. The 1997 album, Time Out Of Mind, happens to be my favorite Dylan album. He still has the ability to write amazing songs and play. He's currently been on his Neverending Tour for over 10 years. He's playing much more than many artists half his age. Granted, you may get a so-so Dylan show when you go see him, but you also have a chance to see one of the best concerts of your life from a living legend.

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mr.Anderson) And yes talent does dry up, you get older you get slower and you do lose some ability or speed. And yes dogstar it is easy to get emotion and passion in lyrics espically when you live a hard life and know first hand what others have went through and then you deliver your song through how you feel or how you think they feel. Its not a hard thing to grasp. And yes I know he worked hard for years but his music still is linear to some of these upcoming underground bands. And again I'm and perfectly aware on how to get to the listener, its just that my band hasn't gotten the break like Mr.Springsteen has. Oh yeah and do not talk to me about needing a broader perspective. I garuntee I have listened to more types of music and genres than you ever will. I listened to stuff from the early 20's all the way to the latest stuff today. Trust me I have a wide ass Perspective. One more thing I've heard all of Springsteens albums.

And just for the record. I don't hate Springsteen. I just believe he's an extremely overrated musician. Thats my stance on the whole matter.

Talent dries up to an extent. That songwriting will always be there. Someone as amazing as a Springsteen or a Dylan will never go from being a perfect 10 to a 0. Any artist can lose a little something but that fire, that passion, and most of that ability will usually still be there unless under extreme circumstances.

I don't know about your band, but Bruce was playing from the time he was 16/17 years old until he was almost 24 before getting signed to a label. He worked his ass off playing up to 4 hours sometimes. Not many (no bands that I can think of) boast that. The guy who signed him, John Hammond, also signed Bob Dylan. He knew the talent when he saw it.

I listen to music from Mozart to Marilyn Manson....that's neither here or there.

You also said that Bruce's music is linear to upcoming underground bands. Does that really matter? He's got much respect from many musicians in the music industry from Dylan to Eddie Vedder. I even read Kurt Cobain liked Bruce. I'm not just namedropping, but I'm letting you know who he has impacted and who finds and found him relevant. They range far and wide from the late greats Joe Strummer and Johnny Cash to Mike Ness from Social Distortion.
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I do not care if he was signed on the same record label as Bob Dylan. The fact remains that he is overrated. People hype him up too much. He is not that great. Many artists deliver passion and emotion 10 times of what that guy does and they don't get the same credit. Maybe they haven't been around as long or maybe its just that they don't get the constant media attention Mr. Springsteen does. And please do not use his name in the same sentence as Mr. Dylan. That guy is a true legend. But in the end I still stand by what I say, hes too damn overrated.
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Springsteen's overrated huh???

he still kicks more ass than everybody out there in music industry today!!!!

especially when he is touring i dont think ive seen much if any musicians that put half the energy into a show as he does!!!
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btw

now that we talk about overrated
look at your name Mr. Anderson
it comes from the most overrated piece of junk that the film industry has put out in years.
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there can be only one

Rock on Bruce
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Quote: (Originally Posted by creeddane) there can be only one

Rock on Bruce

Who are you? My new best friend?

And of course you are definitely right about his live shows. He's always been expending more energy live than anyone else. I've seen people pretty much just stand there and go through the motions, but not Bruce.
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Damn straight about the live shows. Last summer, he was 53 years old and he put a lot of today's younger bands to shame with the energy and passion with which he performed. No 90-minute show, either. Almost THREE hours, with one little break to introduce the band, that was it. The younger bands could learn a thing or two from the Boss about touring.
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