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Old 01-18-2004, 12:02 AM   #31
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Quote: Yes but there's more to it. Things that we don't know.
Sure. But we've been told they have gone their separate ways. And if I'm not mistaken I think he also said they weren't talking (which is implicit in "separate ways" anyway). So that part is true.

Quote: Oh, you are talking about disrespect from the fans! I thought you were talking about getting that from the critics, etc.
From the critics and a lot of ROCK fans. Perhaps it's not that way in NZ, but there are tons of (dumb) people out here that simply HATE Creed.
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Old 01-18-2004, 12:03 AM   #32
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Quote: (Originally Posted by creedsister) thats right
Brilliant
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Old 01-18-2004, 12:07 AM   #33
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Quote: (Originally Posted by velocityidp) Brilliant
oh yes my sweet but not as brilliant as you oh can i please add you on my buddy list or better than that how about your Aim
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Old 01-18-2004, 12:14 AM   #34
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Quote: (Originally Posted by creedsister) oh yes my sweet but not as brilliant as you oh can i please add you on my buddy list or better than that how about your Aim

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Old 01-18-2004, 12:20 AM   #35
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Quote: (Originally Posted by velocityidp)
please do me a favor and shutup tonite which i know you wont But I promise i will always get the last word inn Just go and do something else really ive had it with you your like an insect that wont go away
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Old 01-18-2004, 12:54 AM   #36
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Quote: (Originally Posted by velocityidp) Sure. But we've been told they have gone their separate ways. And if I'm not mistaken I think he also said they weren't talking (which is implicit in "separate ways" anyway). So that part is true.
I don't recall Michael saying that Stapp and Tremonti were not talking? Did I miss something there? Maybe he did, and I just missed out on that post.

Quote: (Originally Posted by velocityidp) From the critics and a lot of ROCK fans. Perhaps it's not that way in NZ, but there are tons of (dumb) people out here that simply HATE Creed.
There are defenitly Creed haters in New Zealand, plenty of them. So, what's your point? You think that Creed are going to be worried or bothered about people that hate them? Remember the saying, "Love us, or hate us". They don't care, that's the least of their worries. We, as fans, don't pick out EVERY SINGLE damn fault that our boys do, just the major ones. Or the ones that we feel are major. But we don't disrespect or hate them for that, we are just pointing it out to discuss the matter, to talk about it. No one is perfect, not all of Stapp's comments are going to be good, but that's life, and that's a fact. If we don't talk about these things, share how we feel, then how are we supposed to see the full Stapp? Just because we see his faults and discuss them, doesn't mean we don't like him, doesn't mean we have lost respect for him, that's just bullshit. We still love him with all our hearts, always will, weather he does something we don't really approve of or not.
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Old 01-18-2004, 12:57 AM   #37
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Quote: (Originally Posted by addicted2stapp) We, as fans, don't pick out EVERY SINGLE damn fault that our boys do, just the major ones. Or the ones that we feel are major.

I'm mentioned stuff that's pretty major, I think.

Quote: If we don't talk about these things, share how we feel, then how are we supposed to see the full Stapp?

Exactly...
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Old 01-18-2004, 01:13 AM   #38
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Nicholas I know I am opening myself up for abuse but I have to agree that I have thought much of what you have said. I don't want to argue with anyone or get into it - but I do think it isn't wise to live with blinders on right now - there is something going on - it is serious -

as an aside it has always bothered me how Mark looked in one VH1 interview clip that they often ran on top of the OLB video when it was on the countdown - Scott starts talking about not being able to be away from Jagger for more than a week and it always looked to me that Mark was rolling his eyes with the crossed arms and such that you mentioned... always wondered what that was about - body language is the most powerful form of communication there is.
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Old 01-18-2004, 01:23 AM   #39
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Quote: (Originally Posted by velocityidp) Exactly...

Well then what the hell are you moaning for
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Old 01-18-2004, 01:25 AM   #40
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Quote: (Originally Posted by Julbright) it has always bothered me how Mark looked in one VH1 interview clip that they often ran on top of the OLB video when it was on the countdown - Scott starts talking about not being able to be away from Jagger for more than a week and it always looked to me that Mark was rolling his eyes with the crossed arms and such that you mentioned... always wondered what that was about
Wow, he would roll his eyes when Stapp mentioned that about Jagger? What's that all about.

Quote: (Originally Posted by Julbright) body language is the most powerful form of communication there is.
I agree with you on that one, Julbright!
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Old 01-18-2004, 02:01 AM   #41
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Quote: (Originally Posted by Julbright) but I do think it isn't wise to live with blinders on right now - there is something going on - it is serious -
I agree. I mean, this is serious stuff in terms of the music industry. Creed was the larget band in the world and they've separated. Something fairly serious had to happen. Bands don't just break up on a whim.

Quote: as an aside it has always bothered me how Mark looked in one VH1 interview clip
Yeah, that's one of those kind of interviews that I'm talking about... I always thought something just wasn't quite right.

Thanks for writing.
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Old 01-18-2004, 02:04 AM   #42
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Quote: (Originally Posted by addicted2stapp) Well then what the hell are you moaning for

Uhm, you started off moaning about me expressing my opinion "too much," then you said "If we don't talk about these things, share how we feel, then how are we supposed to see the full Stapp?"

All I've been saying is that it's good to "talk about these things" and "share how we feel" so that we can see the "full Stapp." Sounds like we both agree on that point. I'm not seeing the problem, here.
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Old 01-18-2004, 04:25 AM   #43
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Old 01-18-2004, 04:32 PM   #44
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oh, please... can someone make a smilie of that stupid banana being shot???
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velocityidp, I agree with everything you have said thus far. Some people just don't want to think outside the box.

The truth is or could be truth is that the following things could of had a major influence to the seperatation of stapp and mark

-constant hate from the media, some fans and the genral public.

a good example would be just last night, any body here see last nights SNL? They were doing a mock american idol thing and had jason from 98 degees being like him with arms wide open and chest out singing higher. Then they had this voice going like we put up famous pop stars to see how talentless they are.

And mind people here more then not and how many times I have taken shit, that indeed 95% of the hatred of creed IS because of stapp and his cockyness. I mean, when your taking shit from every which way somethings going to give, no matter how much you put into the "hate us or love us" crud.



-The famous chicago incident

There are going to be so many people who will never forgive creed because of that night. and refere to my last point, the fans-hatred.

Think of it this way,

youre in a muti-platnum band, you have a singer that fucks up on stage and as a result some fans friggin SUE you, how would you feel? Think about it. Really, use your brain. You go to court, lawyers and all that non-sence.

-brian re-joing with mark and flip

I'm persoanlly extatic to see them jamming and making music again, nothing could make me more happier.

yea....I have said enough for now...

So, velocityidp how do you think this new band will be perceived?
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