Who Would You Like to See Run in 2008?

[Ana4Stapp]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Chase)

I always thought it was funny that little Portugal was powerful enough to control massive Brazil. The same with Spain and Britain... little countries were power.

It it interesting... the U.S. as a whole is more liberal than Great Britain. Yet, nevertheless... Britain still has a strong conservative sect. Margaret Thatcher is one. I'm surprised that so many Brazilians are liberal... based on the fact that Brazil is such a Catholic nation.

Lol... How do you know that many barzilians are liberal, Chase??? How?
I am not sure about that...I know a lot of conservative people ...I think we have a image of a liberal country, but isnt the true. And polemic issues like abortion and gay marriage, for example are not allowed here. Maybe being the biggest Catholic nation is the reason of that.


Just an historic note: Portugal was the first State to appear in the (Spain was the second) Modern Age, so portuguese had a lot of points that gave resulted in the pioneer position concerning to the expansionism in sec XV.They had technology, capital,and the religious support. So while Britain, France and Netherlands were involved in disputes, and having also interior problems to solve , the iberians got ahead of the expansionist process. And after that, everything that Portugal needed to do was to impose a strict colonization model: which means exploitation and the consequence of that of course you know...

[Ana4Stapp]

Quote: (Originally Posted by uncertaindrumer)

A Catholic nation who doesn't really go to Church, by the looks of it. Sorta like France. Maybe I'm wrong and they do go to Church. They have made abortion illegal, which isn't that liberal.

Are you talking about Brazil??? Cause if you are talking about my country, you are definitely wrong cause brazilians people certainly go to Church.

[uncertaindrumer]

^Well yeah, that makes sense. I figured Chase had some sort of facts or something to back up his claim Brazil is liberal but apparently not. Not too surprising though.

[Ana4Stapp]

Quote: (Originally Posted by uncertaindrumer)

^Well yeah, that makes sense. I figured Chase had some sort of facts or something to back up his claim Brazil is liberal but apparently not. Not too surprising though.

Well I know we have a liberal image, carnival- for example, but isnt the same of proclaiming all people here is liberal... maybe less conservative than US people...or definitely Portugal people, but..., seriously...Im not sure...

Anyway I think Chase said to me that he knows some brazilians who live in his city, maybe they are liberal, right???


And not only abortion isnt allowed, gay marriage is definitely a distant possibility here...

[uncertaindrumer]

^Yeah, which basically measn you are more conservative than the U.S., where abortion is legal and homosexuality is some places.

Go Brazil.

[Chase]

Quote: (Originally Posted by uncertaindrumer)

^Well yeah, that makes sense. I figured Chase had some sort of facts or something to back up his claim Brazil is liberal but apparently not. Not too surprising though.

Well... Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva is a left-wing president from the nation's Worker's Party. The guy is a socialist. In order for the majority to put him in office... would mean that the majority is fairly left wing.

I also never said that Brazil is a liberal nation... I just said that I was surprised by the amount of liberal people in such a strongly Catholic nation.

[RMadd]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Chase)

Well... Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva is a left-wing president from the nation's Worker's Party. The guy is a socialist. In order for the majority to put him in office... would mean that the majority is fairly left wing.

either that, or, as Ana & I discussed above, he may've been elected not necessarily for his platform but for his charismatic personality and some promises he may've made.

[Ana4Stapp]

Quote: (Originally Posted by uncertaindrumer)

^Yeah, which basically measn you are more conservative than the U.S., where abortion is legal and homosexuality is some places.

Go Brazil.

Is that an ironic comment?????

[uncertaindrumer]

Ironic comment? You mean sarcastic? No. Outlawing abortion is awesome.

[uncertaindrumer]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Chase)

Well... Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva is a left-wing president from the nation's Worker's Party. The guy is a socialist. In order for the majority to put him in office... would mean that the majority is fairly left wing.

I also never said that Brazil is a liberal nation... I just said that I was surprised by the amount of liberal people in such a strongly Catholic nation.

Yeah and we have a "conservative" president (not very conservative about wars...) yet our nation is extremely progressive.

[RMadd]

Bush is faaaaaaaaaaaaaar more neo-conservative than conservative

[Ana4Stapp]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Chase)

Well... Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva is a left-wing president from the nation's Worker's Party. The guy is a socialist. In order for the majority to put him in office... would mean that the majority is fairly left wing.

I also never said that Brazil is a liberal nation... I just said that I was surprised by the amount of liberal people in such a strongly Catholic nation.

Its surprising the way you seem to know about Brazil politics and its cool ...but just to bring up something new-- This guy abandoned socialism a log time ago--and connsequently he disappointed millions who voted for him (me include--even though I still love him )

I dont think that the majority brazilian people are socialist, so why choose a socialist??? Lula (his nickname) has a beautiful and sad personal history : he survived poverty and became the charismatic and ethical work leader of the Worker's Party. And people were tired of years and years of explotation and corruption and they wanted to try something new : Lula was the new. Lula was a chance to change things. He was a chance to make things better, especially the social part (always forgot by the others presidents).He was a chance to moralize politics.

But seemed that president forgot his ingenuous socialist ideals, cause he assumed an equilibrated position, especially in economics which disappointed a great number of people, and to get things worse his party is involved in a corruptions scheme.

But I still support him cause im not an ingenuous person to think he can change things in just four years. He needs more time...

[Ana4Stapp]

Quote: (Originally Posted by RMadd)

either that, or, as Ana & I discussed above, he may've been elected not necessarily for his platform but for his charismatic personality and some promises he may've made.

YES!!!!!! Hes an extraordinary charismatic guy!!!! He is a 'personality'!

[Ana4Stapp]

Quote: (Originally Posted by RMadd)

Bush is faaaaaaaaaaaaaar more neo-conservative than conservative

whats the difference???

[Chase]

Quote: (Originally Posted by RMadd)

Bush is faaaaaaaaaaaaaar more neo-conservative than conservative

If Bush was a "neo-conservative" we would have American soldiers on the border with Mexico (in fact, he would throw out all of the illegal aliens), we would see him protect the holiday of Christmas, we would see less spending, Iran's government would've already been taken out, every Mosque in American would be surveillanced, and English would be institutionalized as the national language. Bush is far from neo-conservative.