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Old 06-27-2003, 07:57 PM   #31
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I think of heaven as...
a state of mind - like the perfect openess and trust that young children have...and
a state of feeling that is the 'peace inside us all'. Perfect oneness and bliss. Attainable and something to endlessly move towards...
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Old 06-28-2003, 11:50 PM   #32
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Heaven? Being stuck inside a vat of chocolate mousse armed with an appetite and a spoon.
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Old 06-29-2003, 02:05 AM   #33
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Like Melissa, I don't believe that all good people (or, their spirits) go to heaven, nor do bad people, or their spirits, go to hell. [/b][/quote]

see?

this is wot i was tryin to say

how eva u would like to put it... good and bad, saved and unsaved or even believers and non-believers!!!

at least sum1 understands wot i am tryin to say!
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Old 06-29-2003, 08:48 PM   #34
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There's a difference. Jesus clearly says, " I am the way, the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through me." Believe on Christ and you will be saved. Many people are good, many people are bad, but if that is all they are, they are not saved, therefore:they will not go to heaven. I know it sounds cruel and heartless, but you could just believe on Him and not have to worry about it. But "good" and "bad" people go to heaven, as long as they believe on Him. Stappssaviour, i bet you are a good person, and about everybody else here. But "bad" people who do go to heaven are like Ted Bundy, the mass murderer/rapist, he became a believer after his imprisonment, and talked w/Dr. Dobson before his execution. See?
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Old 07-12-2003, 02:21 PM   #35
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What about Ghandi? He never claimed to believe in Jesus as the savior... is he going to hell?
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Old 07-12-2003, 09:42 PM   #36
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EXACTLY!

mind u i dont believe there is a hell either aye so yea

its hard for u to explain such terms to a " Non-Believer"....such as me
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Old 07-12-2003, 11:32 PM   #37
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I guess Ghandi is. Doesn't matter how "good" u are. Sure, he was cool, he did his world peace thingy, but works can't get u anywhere. StappsSaviour, i know it sounds confusin to u, and since u are a nonbeliever, these terms sound wacky. Seek and u shall find.
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Old 07-15-2003, 02:57 AM   #38
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But Ghandi believes in the same God as you. Is it such a stretch to think that when Jesus said "I am the way, the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through me" that he meant through my teachings and the way I lived my life?? Do you really have to say those magic words "Jesus, I accept you into my heart" to go to heaven?
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Old 07-15-2003, 10:01 AM   #39
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John 3:16 I guess. It doesnt say His teachings, it says Him? What do U think anyways.

Isnt Ghandi Hindu? Their gods are not the same as far as I knew.

I hope God's grace was on Ghandi because he was a beautiful man, and way back when he was seeking Jesus, he was asked to leave a church because of the way he was dressed and that would leave anyones impression of Jesus distorted. It just makes me mad and I really hope that through his life, he perhaps he got to see who Jesus truly was. I'm sure some people arent going to like what I just said, but yeh...
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Old 07-24-2003, 12:08 AM   #40
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God has made himself very real to me in life experiences....I can't deny his existance and that His word is true, so yes, I believe in heaven.
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Old 07-24-2003, 01:50 AM   #41
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So you believe heaven exists, yeah, but we all have different views on what its purpose is. When you say you believe in heaven, do you mean you believe we go to heaven when we die?
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Old 07-24-2003, 12:34 PM   #42
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When believers die they go to live with the Lord for eternity.Which is heaven.Amen!
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Old 07-24-2003, 01:00 PM   #43
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Amen!
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Old 07-24-2003, 01:03 PM   #44
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I am totally with you on the things you say Samuel!
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Old 07-24-2003, 11:39 PM   #45
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What's your basis for believing that? :P
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