|
|
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
09-30-2009, 11:58 AM | #16 |
USER INFO »
Status: Misconception
Posts: 113
Joined: Dec 2002
Currently: Offline
|
Re: Question....
Now Iced, that's the trouble with a really thoughtful post - you leave others at a loss for words. Whereas if you come in and say SOMETHING REALLY LAME then everyone has a chance to jump on your case and voila "fellowship" - I didn't post like a maniac on message boards for years without learning a thing or two!
I agree about problems in the past being worse than now - I think it was a tv performance of Weathered (I love that song btw) - I'm the one who made the lame comment about his confidence level perhaps not the same - he will always "perform" but I remember just writhing watching him do that performance, he seemed so uncomfortable. Whereas now, although it's a "performance", he does seem to believe in what he's doing - and to help share that conviction with anyone who shares his space. I wish I had gone to see them in Atlanta. I could have - I should have - but I didn't. sigh. I'll be first in line for the cds/dvds though. And I'll say it again - the "old" stuff (it's not Old to me, it's more like Classic - things that are good and touch you don't go away) means more to me now than it did in the past and now that they have made friends with each other again, I can enjoy it with no shadows. |
09-30-2009, 12:00 PM | #17 |
USER INFO »
Status: Misconception
Posts: 113
Joined: Dec 2002
Currently: Offline
|
Re: Question....
lol - while I was laboring over my post two more people got ahead of me - way to go - I agree that Thousand Faces sounds like Stapp, he's the one who's always trying to See God. But I think they bring out the best in each other so you never know. I always heard that Torn was written by Tremonti - the lyrics - and I would certainly have thought it was Stapp.
|
09-30-2009, 12:01 PM | #18 |
USER INFO »
Status: Broken Dream
Posts: 149
Joined: Aug 2007
Currently: Offline
|
Re: Question....
If stapp wrote it, then he wrote it about himself obviously, but if that's the case i think he wrote it as his apology to mark.
The bridge to me speaks of their friendship. Scott being torn up over it, Mark telling him to let it out until Stapp listens and lets the shit die. Either way, the song is really well written and is a commisseration between friend, which really makes it very touching to me since i've been there. |
09-30-2009, 04:09 PM | #19 |
Banned
USER INFO »
Status: Misconception
Posts: 88
Joined: Sep 2009
Currently: Offline
|
Re: Question....
lol i love how you guys act like scott stapp is 60 years old now or something. hes 36 years old....
thom yorke maynard james keenan bono eddie vedder chris cornell those are all singers who are 40+ years of age and their voices still sound good. the only one who doesn't have the same range as he used to is cornell but he still sounds awesome. age is no reason to lose your voice, not taking care of it is the only reason. bruce dickinson from iron maiden still hits the high notes in concert and hes like pushing 60... |
09-30-2009, 05:21 PM | #20 |
USER INFO »
Status: Broken Dream
Posts: 149
Joined: Aug 2007
Currently: Offline
|
Re: Question....
Eddie Vedder: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbhsYC4gKy4 (early)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5UEkumxNCs (later) Doesn't sound the same, he has to reach for the higher notes and the songs are all down tuned. Don't get me wrong, i'm a huge fan of eddie vedder, but age has changed his voice. In point of what you just said, your voice does indeed change when you sing in your 20s vs. your 30s vs. your 40s, espcially when you sing for a living, healthy or not, it wears down. And everyone's voice is different, in vedder he lost some of the control of his vibrato as well as his upper register and rasp control, scott's voice dropped about a 5th in his register and he is fully a baritone and no longer a baritenor. David Draiman had to have vocal reconstructive surgery, Rod Stewart did as well, James Hetfields voice is nowhere near the same. Not saying these are all the same situation, but all voices change over time for various reasons. Not diminishing healthy vs. unhealthy technique expediting the change, but eddie vedder doesn't sing healthily either, nor does james hetfield he also drinks and smokes heavily same as stapp. Granted scott's technique is FAR worse than eddie's, but 10 years does a lot to a voice. James hetfield sound nothing like he used to and he's somewhere in his forties as well. Age is just as much a factor in the quality of your voice as poor singing technique and unhealthy living habits, period. Last edited by Icedmofo : 09-30-2009 at 05:26 PM. |
09-30-2009, 05:58 PM | #21 |
USER INFO »
Status: Wound Up
Posts: 1,160
Joined: Oct 2004
Currently: Offline
|
Re: Question....
Have you heard Chris Cornell recently? |
10-01-2009, 12:48 AM | #22 |
USER INFO »
Status: Misconception
Posts: 94
Joined: Sep 2009
Currently: Offline
|
Re: Question....
I don't think anyone is complaining about his voice to bash him in any way, they're just stating a very real concern for him. This is the first time that Creed has performed live, for a while. But Scott has been singing ever since they broke up, in case you've forgotten. I'm pretty sure his voice is just strained. Like I said, he sounded great in December during his show in Delray. He got back together with Mark in December as well. |
10-01-2009, 11:18 AM | #23 |
USER INFO »
Status: A Melody
Posts: 348
Joined: Jun 2009
Currently: Offline
|
Re: Question....
People seem to forget that Scott has been recording Full Circle for 5 months or so before the tour...
Remember those videos back in 2008 of Scott in his solo tour? He was awesome... 2008 wasn't that long ago. I'm sure he's just strained his voice in the studio. |
10-01-2009, 11:47 AM | #24 |
USER INFO »
Status: Broken Dream
Posts: 149
Joined: Aug 2007
Currently: Offline
|
Re: Question....
I'm no sure it's quite that simple an explanation. The times that i've strained my voice, and i mean like REALLY fucked up my voice doing something unhealthy, the longest it's ever taken me to recover was 2 days. I think there is something significantly more permanent happening to his voice, i wish i had more information and knew more about him to be able to say what, but this is definitely not from straining his voice in recording sessions. |
10-01-2009, 02:24 PM | #25 |
USER INFO »
Status: Misconception
Posts: 113
Joined: Dec 2002
Currently: Offline
|
Re: Question....
Iced - kind of off topic but take my time anywhere redefine anywhere I don't think Het sounds in any way inferior to what he was like when he was young. Maybe it's a matter of taste - when he was young maybe he sounded angrier, more distraught, more confounded and chaotic - kind of just steady high pitched screaming. Whereas he started actually singing as time went by. (I am very fond of the ground he walks on btw.)
Now, if you want to mention someone who could sound good when he wanted to when he was young but sounds like HECK now, that's Bob Dylan. Age took a toll on him -some it doesn't affect - Willie Nelson for example just mellows like fine wine - another one that went to pot with age (ok I'm showing my age again) is Leon Russell - nothing but a high pitched WHINE now...Paul McCartney, as old as the rest, hardly sounds different than 40 years ago. I just think that full tilt boogie screaming Stapp does probably takes a hard toll on this voice - Chris Cornell does it too but he seems to have a much larger range naturally. I'm just waiting for the cd. But I know nowadays they have to put out in concert because in this day and age that's the only way to make money. Well with Stapp - no one can say he's boring to watch - always but always the showman. |
10-01-2009, 06:25 PM | #26 |
USER INFO »
Status: Silence Speaks
Posts: 73
Joined: May 2009
Currently: Offline
|
Re: Question....
I wonder if AB does play apart of the Scott hate as well. However I also wonder if Creed fans are just too demanding sometimes. Not all but some. The way I see it I am a fan of Creed. Scott's voice is obviously different but still I enjoy hearing him sing. To me it is all about being a fan. You either support the band as a whole or you dont. The Scott bashing has gotten so ridiculous. It is hard to even be on a Creed board because all some want to do is bash him. Scott has been through a lot. So has his vocals. We all are different. We all heal differently. Also age is important too. At the end of the day I love Creed. I am just happy to hear them together again. I also think that Scott sounds great, different but great. Whether his voice chages or not I a fan plain and simple.
|
10-01-2009, 09:16 PM | #27 |
USER INFO »
Status: Naked Toddler
Posts: 258
Joined: Jun 2009
Currently: Offline
|
Re: Question....
That was a great post! One of the best I have seen. |
10-02-2009, 03:55 AM | #28 |
USER INFO »
Status: Illusion
Posts: 6
Joined: Oct 2009
Currently: Offline
|
Re: Question....
Iced, that was a very thoughtful post on pg1, and I agree, I also think there is something more permanent happening with scott's vocal chords. I remember at the end of the Weathered Tour, how sick he got and the crazy schedule they had him on , it is no wonder someone's voice will start to give and get weak.
I don't know what he does these days in terms of vocal exercises but as I recall he wasn't very disciplined in that area. For me I remember years ago when I heard My Own Prison on the radio, and I thought "who is THAT!" that voice and I was hooked. I am hooked on the whole band and I just wish that something could be done about preserving that voice of his... |
10-02-2009, 10:12 AM | #29 |
USER INFO »
Status: Broken Dream
Posts: 149
Joined: Aug 2007
Currently: Offline
|
Re: Question....
One thing i think that could come out of a creed/alter bridge coexistance is that if they stagger the tours right, stapp will get some time off to (hopefully) heal between the tours, as opposed to touring nonstop all year round.
What i'm hoping is that they release the album, finish this tour, then go back into the studio for AB/do an AB tour, then come back and actually tour off the full circle album and just keep a rotating schedule. Granted that'd be a shit ton of work for tremo and the rest of the guys, but as far as scott is concerned that's probably the best option. |
10-07-2009, 02:52 AM | #30 |
USER INFO »
Status: INK'ed
Posts: 905
Joined: Sep 2002
Currently: Offline
|
Re: Question....
Damn, I have been on-and-off this board for seven years and I swear that has got to be the longest post I have ever seen. And not full of bullshit, either. Kudos. I am no musician, My singing is just a hobby, so My opinion really is worth about two cents -- but I will say that whatever is going on voice-wise, if it is not a repairable thing, then I hope he does not just run his voice into the ground. Because there are some singers that do that -- think they can just forge onward despite the warning signs they are being given, and end up blowing their shiz out permanently. I would always rather have a singer take a much-needed break even if it means canceling a tour or two. Sometimes, you just have to be selfish if you want to keep yourself in one piece.
__________________
I'll stop logging in when I'm dead. and maybe not even then
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests) | |
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
|
|
|
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|