some countries not giving enough to tsunami fund?

[aussiecreeder]

Quote: (Originally Posted by RMadd)

you're telling me... it's a disgrace to real conservatism
sorry aussie... i'm not saying you called the US stingy; most of my remarks are aimed at those (such as X, whom I criticized in my first post in here) who do.

next election you've got to get someone like colin powell running IMO. someone fairly moderate and conserative who isn't a neo-con.

[RMadd]

man, someone like Ronald Reagan. we need us more fellas like him up in herre.

[aussiecreeder]

lol "i don't think so tim".

[fluttergirl]

id post the statistic, but i honestly dont remember where i heard it, it was in the presidential debates-
america is one member of tens in the UN, yet provide roughly 1/3 or 1/4 the money.....

i hate it when people say America is self absorbed and crap, its untrue and ignorant...

[aussiecreeder]

the UN looks like going the way of the league of nations. the U.S gives that much money but that money buys influence does it not? call me cynical.....

[fluttergirl]

like the kind of influence that would get us help in iraq?
oh
wait
that never happened....

[aussiecreeder]

well the iraq discussion is a whole other thread.....i'll keep quiet on my opinion on that invasion.

[fluttergirl]

no, its not. if youre going to imply that america gains influence with the money that it provides to the UN, then do so. better yet, just say it. america is not as cut-throat as everyone makes us out to be, and im sick of the attitude that i get online from everyone just because of where i live.

[Xterminator27]

Quote: (Originally Posted by fluttergirl)

america is not as cut-throat as everyone makes us out to be.

lol keep dreaming

[aussiecreeder]

flutter instead of being so sensitive and defensive why not think about why so much of the world is hostile to what the u.s does? look australia is one of your closest allies and there are certainly many in this country who think the iraq invasion was unjustified. in fact when the war started the majority here were against it (i'm sure the same applied in spain, poland etc) yet our government went in for a war that should have never have happened. there i said it......

[fluttergirl]

Quote: (Originally Posted by King X)

lol keep dreaming

do you live here? no.
i hate to break it to you, but all those SNL skits and such? hyperboles, exagerations. yes, were capitalist. doesnt mean we're communist.
america DID give 350 million dollars....real cut throat there....

and aussie, i have no qualms with you not liking the war, thats wasnt what had upset me....though i like the bluntness, lol...

[aussiecreeder]

well if you're capitalist obviously not you're not commonist lol. capitalism is a great system but i think the u.s is too free-market oriented perhaps. i like the australian system of capitalism but there are some controls and we have a great standard of living as a result. healthcare is certainly in better shape then what i hear about the u.s system although a smaller population would help i guess. you want blunt? how bout this? if john howard was any closer to george bush he'ld be having his kids lol......

[Xterminator27]

Quote: (Originally Posted by aussiecreeder)

capitalism is a great system ..

depends on which side of capitalism your on

yes your having a dandy time with your cheap and sexy running shoes, but it took the hours of nine broke poor children and people who were working in unimaginable conditions, for 18 hours straight, and getting paid 45c a hour.

Capitalism is a double edges sword, for every person who gains from it (all of us here) two people had to suffer for their whole lives.
Which is also why capitalism is dangerous because in todays society, people dont give a fuck if starving people have to work 18 hour shifts with no breaks for a dollar, as long as it makes your own puchas cost less.

[aussiecreeder]

Quote: (Originally Posted by King X)

depends on which side of capitalism your on

yes your having a dandy time with your cheap and sexy running shoes, but it took the hours of nine broke poor children and people who were working in unimaginable conditions, for 18 hours straight, and getting paid 45c a hour.

Capitalism is a double edges sword, for every person who gains from it (all of us here) two people had to suffer for their whole lives.
Which is also why capitalism is dangerous because in todays society, people dont give a fuck if starving people have to work 18 hour shifts with no breaks for a dollar, as long as it makes your own puchas cost less.

i disagree with you although you have a fair point about sweatshops. a more capitalist structure in china and india for example has seen econmic conditions improve for the average person although it could obviously be better. capitalism isn't perfect but what is the alternative? remember the soviet union?

[RMadd]

the soviet union, technically, wasn't communist. what i mean is, they weren't particularly marxist communist. they're known for stalin's interpretation & authoritarianism. i will agree w/ both y'all (X & Aussie) that capitalism is good, but it has its pitfalls. but to paraphrase what winston churchill said about democracy: it's the best thing that's been tried to date (well, for systems w/ gov'ts, anyway).