Militants Surround EU Offices in Gaza Over 'Offensive' Cartoons

[Chase]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ana4Stapp)

You couldnt say it better, Ryan...

Im not a religious person, (by the way Im almost an atheist) , always defend freedom in all means-- what definitely makes people here think that Im too much liberalist (almost true ) but I have to admitt that those cartoons showed up in a inappropriate moment...did you guys realize that Iran's president is using this as an excuse to try to unite muslims against ocicdent??? Its the moment he was anxiously waiting...and we gave it to him...


In a meeting with local authors, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad condemned the cartoons and addressed the West: “Insulting the Prophet Muhammad would not promote your position,”

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10705393/

Was it necessary????

I can guarantee you if this had to do with Catholism (or other Christian denominations) you would have no problem with it. Atheists in America are constantly attacking Christianity and Judaism left and right... and are essentially waging a war on the holiday of Christmas. They are doing it in INNAPPROPRIATE times as well. Are you going to defend America's people of faith? I doubt it. People in this country deal that all the time. We're not in the streets burning things and resorting to violence like some Muslims are doing as we speak. The liberal press has the right to make political cartoons... and Europe has done nothing wrong.

[Ana4Stapp]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Chase)

There are standards as to what one can say on T.V. For instance, on pornography, foul language, and other things aren't considered appropriate for some stations. We had the problem 2 years ago of Janet Jackson exposing a breast during the Super Bowl. I'm confused as to what kind of statement you're trying to make, by the way.

If there are kids watching, it's not appropriate to show or say certain things on T.V. Watching the Super Bowl is an American, family tradition for millions of families.

If you're going to come back in here... at least make sense when trying to make America look bad.

I know the Janet Jackson story...and I also know that some peopel prefer some kinda of hypocrisy...

But its funny because freedom of speech works good all over the world but not into America...its too funny!!!!!!!


My comments always make sense..but I cant say the same about yours honey... ( I love your sarcasm!)

[Ana4Stapp]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Chase)

I can guarantee you if this had to do with Catholism (or other Christian denominations) you would have no problem with it. Atheists in America are constantly attacking Christianity and Judaism left and right... and are essentially waging a war on the holiday of Christmas. They are doing it in INNAPPROPRIATE times as well. Are you going to defend America's people of faith? I doubt it. People in this country deal that all the time. We're not in the streets burning things and resorting to violence like some Muslims are doing as we speak. The liberal press has the right to make political cartoons... and Europe has done nothing wrong.

Oh God!!! (see?? Im not an atheist! lol) -- Its not that I am an atheist
(catholic)-Im not ---even though I have a lot of questions what I cant find the answers...and consequently I have some similarities to atheism...

Why I cant defend America's people of faith??? Why not??? YOu doubt it? Chase...you are so biased that you have no idea...

You are the one who is constatly getting pissed off when I say something here against your president --you clearly dont know how to deal with opposition to your conservative political views on amessage board---so how you expect muslims doing the same about the religon issues????
Im not deffending censorship at all.
But dont you agree that it was unecessary at least at this moment?

[Chase]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ana4Stapp)

Oh God!!! (see?? Im not an atheist! lol) -- Its not that I am an atheist
(catholic)-Im not ---even though I have a lot of questions what I cant find the answers...and consequently I have some similarities to atheism...

Why I cant defend America's people of faith??? Why not??? YOu doubt it? Chase...you are so biased that you have no idea...

You are the one who is constatly getting pissed off when I say something here against your president --you clearly dont know how to deal with opposition to your conservative political views on amessage board---so how you expect muslims doing the same about the religon issues????
Im not deffending censorship at all.
But dont you agree that it was unecessary at least at this moment?

Then, what is the argument you are trying to make? Should the European media censor what is printed just to cater to Islamic extremists? This is an old part of European society, as well as American society. Okay, so you're basically saying that I go into the streets of San Diego, protest, burn shit, and scream because someone disagrees with me? Wow... I hate to break it to you love, but you're way off with my disposition. I could care less what someone believes... but when they disagree with me, they better back up their arguments and accusations with a proof. How is it unnecessary? American Christians deal with this all the time. Just because Muslims can be sensative doesn't mean that the free press should be extracted. Islamic fundamentalists have a problem with everything. They don't like the Jews, or the Christians, or the Hindus, or the atheists, or Western political thought, or Europe, or America, or Western liberalism, or Western conservatism. You can't appease them. Everything is innappropriate to them.

Do you defend Christians and Jews in America when they are attacked by left-wing atheists? Now is your chance to show that you defend all sides.

[Chase]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ana4Stapp)

I know the Janet Jackson story...and I also know that some peopel prefer some kinda of hypocrisy...

But its funny because freedom of speech works good all over the world but not into America...its too funny!!!!!!!


My comments always make sense..but I cant say the same about yours honey... ( I love your sarcasm!)

Apparently you have no idea as to what "free speech" means. You can't say certain things or do certain things. You can't go on T.V. and say "I will kill President Bush tonight!" Give me a break Ana, I know you're smarter than that. Again, if you're going to try to make America look like the Third Reich... at least try a little bit harder.

[Ana4Stapp]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Chase)

Then, what is the argument you are trying to make? Should the European media censor what is printed just to cater to Islamic extremists? This is an old part of European society, as well as American society. Okay, so you're basically saying that I go into the streets of San Diego, protest, burn shit, and scream because someone disagrees with me? Wow... I hate to break it to you love, but you're way off with my disposition. I could care less what someone believes... but when they disagree with me, they better back up their arguments and accusations with a proof. How is it unnecessary? American Christians deal with this all the time. Just because Muslims can be sensative doesn't mean that the free press should be extracted. Islamic fundamentalists have a problem with everything. They don't like the Jews, or the Christians, or the Hindus, or the atheists, or Western political thought, or Europe, or America, or Western liberalism, or Western conservatism. You can't appease them. Everything is innappropriate to them.

Chase...even though you are very intelligent... sometimes I think you are so naive...try to see this situation under a political view...Im not talking about burning flags into the streets...its not because they dont like Europe, America, Jews, liberalism, hindus, budhist,rock, soccer...etc...its because you are dealing with a problematic area ...you cant deny it...

Let me ask you --whats Bush position???? whats the Blair position?

Quote: (Originally Posted by Chase)

Do you defend Christians and Jews in America when they are attacked by left-wing atheists? Now is your chance to show that you defend all sides?

Why not?

[Ana4Stapp]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Chase)

Apparently you have no idea as to what "free speech" means. You can't say certain things or do certain things. You can't go on T.V. and say "I will kill President Bush tonight!" Give me a break Ana, I know you're smarter than that. Again, if you're going to try to make America look like the Third Reich... at least try a little bit harder.

STOP!!!!!!!! Jesus ...are you okay Chase??? Nothing that you talked here this night (at least to me) make any sense...well maybe you arent so smart as you seemed...

Backing to rollling stones -- american kids dont listen to Start Me Up ("you'd make a dead man cum") on radios? american kids dont watch MTV ???? american kids dont see CNN images from Iraqs war????

Also, your american "free speech" works very well on violent movies made in Holywood we see all around the world (including my country) ...oh sorry...your precaution only refers to America of course...

[Chase]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ana4Stapp)

Chase...even though you are very intelligent... sometimes I think you are so naive...try to see this situation under a political view...Im not talking about burning flags into the streets...its not because they dont like Europe, America, Jews, liberalism, hindus, budhist,rock, soccer...etc...its because you are dealing with a problematic area ...you cant deny it...

Let me ask you --whats Bush position???? whats the Blair position?




Why not?

The position of Prime Minister Blair and President Bush are far different from that of Denmark or France. This issue isn't about them, it's about Denmark and France. But why should Denmark and France alter their fundamental rights to a free press because a problematic people don't like it? This uproar isn't even coming from the citizens of those two nations. Islamic extremists use everything as a reason to hate non-Muslims. The only way to make them happy is to, in genocidal fashion, kill every Jew in the Middle East. The free press has done things to slander Christianity also. But the reactions of Christians and Muslims is like night and day.

[Ana4Stapp]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Chase)

The position of Prime Minister Blair and President Bush are far different from that of Denmark or France. This issue isn't about them, it's about Denmark and France. But why should Denmark and France alter their fundamental rights to a free press because a problematic people don't like it? This uproar isn't even coming from the citizens of those two nations. Islamic extremists use everything as a reason to hate non-Muslims. The only way to make them happy is to, in genocidal fashion, kill every Jew in the Middle East. The free press has done things to slander Christianity also. But the reactions of Christians and Muslims is like night and day.

And those carttons are really helping to increase this feeling...
btw, do you know that Hamshahri an iranian newspaper is putting a contest to choose the best cartoon about Holocaust???? Is this a freedom of speech?????

[Chase]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ana4Stapp)

STOP!!!!!!!! Jesus ...are you okay Chase??? Nothing that you talked here this night (at least to me) make any sense...well maybe you arent so smart as you seemed...

Backing to rollling stones -- american kids dont listen to Start Me Up ("you'd make a dead man cum") on radios? american kids dont watch MTV ???? american kids dont see CNN images from Iraqs war????

Also, your american "free speech" works very well on violent movies made in Holywood we see all around the world (including my country) ...oh sorry...your precaution only refers to America of course...

With all due respect, I'm not sure I know what you're trying to say. I don't understand, in all honesty. This has nothing to do with "free speech." There are standards for what is shown on television. It's always been like that. You can't say certain things. Every country has standards.

[Chase]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ana4Stapp)

And those carttons are really helping to increase this feeling...
btw, do you know that Hamshahri an iranian newspaper is putting a contest to choose the best cartoon about Holocaust???? Is this a freedom of speech?????

Yes... that is freedom of speech. The Iranian government has been saying a lot of anti-Semitic things lately. If you think there is Islamic unrest because of these cartoons... you need to pay more attention. Like I said... these people are anti-European.

The only problem I have with these cartoons... is that they're going to incite more anti-Americanism (for whatever reason)... even though the U.S. State Department has condemned them.

[Ana4Stapp]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Chase)

With all due respect, I'm not sure I know what you're trying to say. I don't understand, in all honesty. This has nothing to do with "free speech." There are standards for what is shown on television. It's always been like that. You can't say certain things. Every country has standards.

Im sure you are understanding what Im saying... but let me clarify this: okay...so you cant say certain things because countries have standards...okay...
so... religions also have some religious 'standards' ...even though it seems different --its the same principle Chase...

[Chase]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ana4Stapp)

Im sure you are understanding what Im saying... but let me clarify this: okay...so you cant say certain things because countries have standards...okay...
so... religions also have some religious 'standards' ...even though it seems different --its the same principle Chase...

Okay... so you're saying that there should be no separation of church and state then?

[Ana4Stapp]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Chase)

Yes... that is freedom of speech. The Iranian government has been saying a lot of anti-Semitic things lately. If you think there is Islamic unrest because of these cartoons... you need to pay more attention. Like I said... these people are anti-European.

The only problem I have with these cartoons... is that they're going to incite more anti-Americanism (for whatever reason)... even though the U.S. State Department has condemned them.

WOW!!!!! Now you are understanding my point!!!!! I knew it you could it ...

now are you seeing the political problem behind it?

[Chase]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ana4Stapp)

WOW!!!!! Now you are understanding my point!!!!! I knew it you could it ...

now are you seeing the political problem behind it?

Yeah... I see a problem behind it... but these Islamic extremists would still be the the racists they have always been. Blaming their intolerance for the West on these cartoons is insane. However, a paper in Spain also published the pictures in an attempt to antagonize these people. I don't believe that is right for them to do that. But then again, I don't think the Madrid train bombing was fair... or the Paris riots.