I now know its scott.

[Bridge of Clay]

Faceless_Man is banned... boo hoo!

one down, one to go.

[sina2b]

Im sure all members of all bands have influences on lyrics and give out ideas and fixes and stuff but what I mean is that even though mark is an excellent guitar player there are lots of good or even better guitar players out there but stapp is unique.

I like stapps album over AB's. for me that explains it all.

[adparaiki]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Bridge of Clay)

Torn is all Tremonti.

Mark wrote the music yes Scott wrote the melody and most of the lyrics mark just wrote a few bits here and their in torn.

[Steve]

^ No, it's already been established that Mark has written the entire song, lyrics, melodies, etc.

[The Lithium]

Quote: (Originally Posted by sina2b)

mark is an excellent guitar player there are lots of good or even better guitar players out there but stapp is unique.

Well, I have listened so much to Mark that he has become unique to me. If Mark had recorded a brand new solo, (without my knowlege, which I'd like to add is almost impossible), and someone played it to me without telling me who was playing, I'd problably go: "Is this Mark...? Mark Tremonti of Alter Bridge?".

And yes, Stapp IS unique, problably in a more obvious way. But I have to say I liked his voice much better when he was younger. It's so bloody awesome on Human Clay, (and the other Creed records for that matter)!!! Don't like his voice much on TDG.

[The Lithium]

Quote: (Originally Posted by adparaiki)

Mark wrote the music yes Scott wrote the melody and most of the lyrics mark just wrote a few bits here and their in torn.

No dude, PAY ATTENTION!!!

[Creed7352]

Quote: (Originally Posted by The Lithium)

Well, I have listened so much to Mark that he has become unique to me. If Mark had recorded a brand new solo, (without my knowlege, which I'd like to add is almost impossible), and someone played it to me without telling me who was playing, I'd problably go: "Is this Mark...? Mark Tremonti of Alter Bridge?".

And yes, Stapp IS unique, problably in a more obvious way. But I have to say I liked his voice much better when he was younger. It's so bloody awesome on Human Clay, (and the other Creed records for that matter)!!! Don't like his voice much on TDG.

then i take it you're aware of the michael angelo batio song that mark plays on, burn?

[uncertaindrumer]

Quote: (Originally Posted by sina2b)

Im sure all members of all bands have influences on lyrics and give out ideas and fixes and stuff

The rythym section rarely has a say. Stinks but is kinda true. Unless you're like... Neil Peart.

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but what I mean is that even though mark is an excellent guitar player there are lots of good or even better guitar players out there

True. Very true.

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but stapp is unique.

False. Every other singer on the radio sounds like him. He's your everyday baritone throaty grune/postgrunge singer. not a darn thing special about him. Doesn't mean he can't be good--but he is not unique.

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I like stapps album over AB's. for me that explains it all.

Meh. Neither of them are amazing. Stapp's has 1/2 good song, (maybe 2/3?) and AB's has three. In my opinion of course. but I am a picky picky person.

[titan9]

Actually, and I may get flamed for this by you, I think Stapp's voice is pretty distinctive. He does not sound like Josey Scott, Brandon Boyd, Chad Kroeger or *insert modern rock vocalist here*. Are a lot of the vocalists on rock radio baritones? Yes. But Stapp's a more distinctive baritone. If you play me just 2 seconds of a rock song, I can tell you whether or not Stapp sings it. His voice is that distinctive. I know Stapp gets compared a lot to Vedder, and some say they can't tell the difference between the two......well you know what? My 5 year old niece can tell the difference....and she hardly knows a lot about music! I get so sick of the comparisons between the two, because there really is none. Except for the fact that they're both baritones. But they both have distinctive vocals.

[Creed7352]

yes titan, but is that because you listen to stapp or listened to stapp so much?

[uncertaindrumer]

Quote: (Originally Posted by titan9)

Actually, and I may get flamed for this by you, I think Stapp's voice is pretty distinctive. He does not sound like Josey Scott, Brandon Boyd, Chad Kroeger or *insert modern rock vocalist here*. Are a lot of the vocalists on rock radio baritones? Yes. But Stapp's a more distinctive baritone. If you play me just 2 seconds of a rock song, I can tell you whether or not Stapp sings it. His voice is that distinctive. I know Stapp gets compared a lot to Vedder, and some say they can't tell the difference between the two......well you know what? My 5 year old niece can tell the difference....and she hardly knows a lot about music! I get so sick of the comparisons between the two, because there really is none. Except for the fact that they're both baritones. But they both have distinctive vocals.

Titan, you aren't exactly an unbiased listener... You listen to the man probably every day of your life. After listening to ANYONE for every day of your life, they would sound unique. And I don't mean to sound mean, but saying that Stapp *doesn't* sound like Vedder just ruins your credibility. Your niece can probably tell the difference because the songs sound different. Their voices are amazingly similar.

And I don't actually know which bands those singers are in--I know band names, not lead names--but Stapp sounds an awful lot like 3DD singer, Nickleback's singer, *insert random dude here* etc. I think he sounds a bit better than most--in his day, that is, now he sounds... ah... no comment--but he does not have a particularly distinctive voice.

Not that Mark is particularly distinctive. He's good but he isn't exactly reinventing the wheel.

[titan9]

Quote: (Originally Posted by uncertaindrumer)

Titan, you aren't exactly an unbiased listener... You listen to the man probably every day of your life. After listening to ANYONE for every day of your life, they would sound unique. And I don't mean to sound mean, but saying that Stapp *doesn't* sound like Vedder just ruins your credibility. Your niece can probably tell the difference because the songs sound different. Their voices are amazingly similar.

I don't listen to him every day of my life. I only became a real Creed fan maybe a couple of years ago. Any knowledgable music fan can tell the difference between Stapp and *insert sucky modern rock singer here*. I never said that Stapp absolutely does not sound like Vedder; they are similar. But they are not, imo, as similar as everyone makes them out to be. Stapp isn't a Vedder clone; he's just got a somewhat similar style of singing. That was my point, and I was venting in a way, I guess.

Quote: (Originally Posted by uncertaindrumer)

And I don't actually know which bands those singers are in--I know band names, not lead names--but Stapp sounds an awful lot like 3DD singer, Nickleback's singer, *insert random dude here* etc. I think he sounds a bit better than most--in his day, that is, now he sounds... ah... no comment--but he does not have a particularly distinctive voice.

J. Scott and Boyd are in Saliva and Incubus, respectively. Two bands I don't like at all.

Stapp sounds like Chad Kroeger(Nickelback guy)? I'm sorry, but I cannot agree with that. Kroeger can't hit some of the notes that Stapp was once able to hit(could still be able to hit'em, but we'll have to see). Their vocals are pretty different, and I'm not saying that because I have listened to Stapp a good bit. Even that dude from 3DD....his voice is more southern, if that makes sense. Not as baritone as Stapp's and I'd venture to say that he can probably hit higher notes than Stapp could in his vocal prime.

The bottom line is this: is Stapp as distinctive, vocally, as Myles Kennedy or Chris Cornell? Of course not. Those are two amazing vocalists with a ton of range. But is Stapp exactly like every other modern rock singer? Heck no. He's somewhat distinctive, imo. That was the whole point of my post....well, that and to vent.

[ctfan]

Quote: (Originally Posted by titan9)

Actually, and I may get flamed for this by you, I think Stapp's voice is pretty distinctive. He does not sound like Josey Scott, Brandon Boyd, Chad Kroeger or *insert modern rock vocalist here*. Are a lot of the vocalists on rock radio baritones? Yes. But Stapp's a more distinctive baritone. If you play me just 2 seconds of a rock song, I can tell you whether or not Stapp sings it. His voice is that distinctive. I know Stapp gets compared a lot to Vedder, and some say they can't tell the difference between the two......well you know what? My 5 year old niece can tell the difference....and she hardly knows a lot about music! I get so sick of the comparisons between the two, because there really is none. Except for the fact that they're both baritones. But they both have distinctive vocals.

I agree. Stapp has never sounded or even come close to sounding like Vedder. They don't even come close to being similar either. Where or how that crap got started is beyond me, but the comparison is so old and tiresome it makes me gag.

I'm not a PJ fan, and I'll be honest and say that the reason why is...I don't like Vedder's voice. It's a phlemy, cotton-ball-stuck-in-the-throat sound, and the dude can't pronounce a word to save his freakin life. And that is what makes Vedder's voice distinctive, and/or unique. At least imo.

Stapp is southern and it shows. It's a good strong voice that is clear, the words are sharp, and it has a movement to it, for lack of a better word. He also presents it in a way that works on his songs. And that is what makes Stapp's voice distinctive, and/or unique, at least imo, and that's why I like listening to Stapp sing.

There are a couple others who have distinctive voices too. Aaron Lewis is one, and the lead singer for Shinedown is another.

[titan9]

Yeah, Brent Smith(Shinedown's lead singer) does have a unique voice and he also has some very, very good range. Easily one of the better singers in rock today. Not a bad lyricist, either.

[Bridge of Clay]

he really is?

*I'm not playing an ass* It's just that I read reviews he's too much of a screamer live... I need to learn more about Shinedown... Save Me is a good song.