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Old 05-24-2004, 01:49 AM   #31
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Quote: (Originally Posted by Echelon122) See, I'd buy the "replacement for the ousted Stapp" argument if AB were trying to be "Creed".

the simple fact they're NOT totally negates that argument.

Well, AB *is* Creed minus Stapp, like it or not. Their music may be different -- I'm looking specifically at their membership. Plus, when you also factor in the return of Marshal, I think that says a great deal about how there was/is a rift between Stapp and the rest of Creed.
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Quote: (Originally Posted by velocityidp) I dunno, when you say "this guy is the best the world has to offer," knowing full well he is the replacement for the ousted Stapp... that says a lot in my book.

That does hold some truth... but you're acting like Tremonti isn't allowed to say that anyone out there is better than Stapp. If he's found a better front man, why can't he say so?
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Old 05-24-2004, 01:54 AM   #33
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Quote: (Originally Posted by velocityidp) Well, AB *is* Creed minus Stapp, like it or not. Their music may be different -- I'm looking specifically at their membership. Plus, when you also factor in the return of Marshal, I think that says a great deal about how there was/is a rift between Stapp and the rest of Creed.


Yeah, I look at the membership, second to the music.

I still find it cool that the rift between Marshall and the others was able to be mended...took a few years, but proves anything can happen. MAybe down the line that can happen with Stapp...time will tell on that one.
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Old 05-24-2004, 01:54 AM   #34
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Quote: (Originally Posted by ibleedpurple) That does hold some truth... but you're acting like Tremonti isn't allowed to say that anyone out there is better than Stapp. If he's found a better front man, why can't he say so?

I never said he couldn't say so. Heck, I agree with him. I'm just trying to underscore how significant his words were. Seeing how Creed was not-too-long-ago the world's biggest band, I think this split is one of epic proportions.
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Old 05-24-2004, 01:57 AM   #35
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Quote: I never said he couldn't say so. Heck, I agree with him. I'm just trying to underscore how significant his words were. Seeing how Creed was not-too-long-ago the world's biggest band, I think this split is one of epic proportions.

Ok, we're in agreeance there... so what's the big problem with Mark's comment?
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Old 05-24-2004, 01:58 AM   #36
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Quote: (Originally Posted by ibleedpurple) Ok, we're in agreeance there... so what's the big problem with Mark's comment?

Ehh... I've never said I had a problem with it.
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Old 05-24-2004, 02:00 AM   #37
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Quote: (Originally Posted by Echelon122) Yeah, I look at the membership, second to the music.

I still find it cool that the rift between Marshall and the others was able to be mended...took a few years, but proves anything can happen. MAybe down the line that can happen with Stapp...time will tell on that one.

I'm of the opinion that Marshal's rejoining after Stapp's leaving/dismissal was no coincidence. I think there was conflict between the two, and that's why Marshal either left or was fired.
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Old 05-24-2004, 02:01 AM   #38
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Hmmm... well, going back to your first couple posts in this thread, it sounded like you were coming down on Mark for talking bad about Stapp in a veiled way... I guess we've had a bit of a misunderstanding here. Sorry!
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Old 05-24-2004, 02:03 AM   #39
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Quote: (Originally Posted by velocityidp) Ehh... I've never said I had a problem with it.

your first post that started this made it seem like Mark couldn't dare say he thought someone was better than Stapp.

He never said he thought STapp was bad, but that he thought Myles was better. Stapp isn't the best out there. One of the top, sure...the best...not by a long shot.
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Old 05-24-2004, 02:05 AM   #40
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Quote: (Originally Posted by velocityidp) I'm of the opinion that Marshal's rejoining after Stapp's leaving/dismissal was no coincidence. I think there was conflict between the two, and that's why Marshal either left or was fired.

Well a few years ago Marshall sued them ALL....so that's something that'd take a LONG time to heal.

and I agree with the 2nd part of that. It went way past the "PJ bull" :lol:


Ok.....sleep time now? lol
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Quote: (Originally Posted by velocityidp) Right, but there are still people that are in denial about Creed's apparent demise. Furthermore, a lot of people think the split had nothing to do with Stapp vs "the band" and was not a result of any rift between members.

Sorry, but there's just to much evidence to the contrary!
I'm one of those people.


Anyway, thanks for the post. One funny thing, it said "get Alter Bridge off the ground." I thought bridges already were off the ground. LOL.


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Quote: (Originally Posted by Echelon122) I think there needs to be a point where people stop reading more into things than is really there.

As for Stapp still having it, time will tell. I don't doubt he does, but I think we'll really see when he puts his effort out. Rock on.

As for Creed...they're done...start dealing with it.

i agree people are reading too much into the quotes from michael and now mark. do you think when they post they try to work out how to send smoked signals? or is it more likely they just say what is on their mind within limits? i go for the last one.....
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bands always talk about other groups members and say that this guy at what he/she does. scott is a top singer and an even better frontman but myles is a better singer. that is a fact like the sun will rise in the morning and i'm really good looking!
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Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark) Whats happening y'all.

Here I think he's trying to address all of us, without offending anyone in particular.

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark) Sounds like you guys are just as excited as I am about this new band.

Here I think he's saying that he's got a new band that he wants everyone to be excited about.

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark) One thing I can promise you is that I put my best foot foreward

Ok, here I think he's saying that he will continue to keep that foot up on his amp when doing his solos.


Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark) and pulled out all of my best song ideas from the past five years and I'm very proud of the outcome.

I think here he's saying he's got great songs to put out and proud of them. I could be wrong though. It's a little fuzzy. I may have to go back and re-read it.

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark) I can't wait for you all to get to know Myles as a frontman, I believe he is the best the world has to offer and he is also very eager to get Alter Bridge off the ground.

Here he is saying how totally in love he is with Myles and how strong he thinks Myles is for trying to lift them all off the ground at once.

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark) So stay tuned, there is no more waiting around...it is all about to happen and we plan to work around the clock to get things started.
I'm thinking, insomnia?

Ok, now that I've read completely between the lines, and I think I've gotten everything I possibly could, I may have to go back and re-read it in case there are anymore hidden messages Mark's trying to relay to us.

Sorry for the sarcasm but does everyone always have to try to read more into things all the time? Next time, I'll diagram the sentences.

Thanks for posting.
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