Scott Stapp's Chicago Explaination... survey - Page 6

velocityidp · 08-04-2003, 06:15 PM

Exactly... just because you admit that doesn't mean you hate Creed, it just means you're calling things the way they are. That's it.

Bottom line:

What Stapp did is not the end of the world, but at least admit it was wrong and that it's his responsibility to rectify the situation.

Lechium · 08-04-2003, 06:19 PM

I dont hate them actually, just dont like them either.
And after this insident I've lost whatever respect I had towards them, too.

velocityidp · 08-04-2003, 06:22 PM

Well, to be fair this is Stapp's issue -- he just dragged the others in along with him. Still, by-and-large I think Stapp is a good guy and does a lot of good things, but he really screwed up on this situation.

I guess the only thing we can do is wait for the video to be shown in court so we'll know exactly what he saw.

aprile89 · 08-04-2003, 08:05 PM

Quote: Originally posted by velocityidp
Well, to be fair this is Stapp's issue -- he just dragged the others in along with him. Still, by-and-large I think Stapp is a good guy and does a lot of good things, but he really screwed up on this situation.

I guess the only thing we can do is wait for the video to be shown in court so we'll know exactly what he saw.

Ok now he can't be THAT Stupid to show the Video can he??? **Screams** For the LOVE OF GOD stop embarassing yourself and suck it up STAPP!!!!

velocityidp · 08-04-2003, 08:09 PM

Quote: Originally posted by aprile89
Ok now he can't be THAT Stupid to show the Video can he???  **Screams** For the LOVE OF GOD stop embarassing yourself and suck it up STAPP!!!!

Well, if the lawsuit goes forward, they'll have to show the tape in court -- they'd have no choice.

aprile89 · 08-04-2003, 09:16 PM

Well, If they have to show the tape they are SCREWED!!! Just like the FANS that bought a ticket *snickers* LOL I had to stick that one in there.... gotta stir the bucket LMAO

:chic:

ZION1010 · 08-04-2003, 10:46 PM

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velocityidp · 08-04-2003, 10:47 PM

Quote: Originally posted by ZION1010
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Argh...

Dogstar · 08-05-2003, 01:02 AM

Quote: I fully expect anyone to tell the truth no matter what the circumstances. An honest and forthright man would tell the truth and let the cards fall where they may. Heck, if Stapp would have done that to begin with, he wouldn't be in this mess. Now he's just going to have to keep lying to keep his story straight. What a pity

All moral relativity aside, you are not dealing in reality. What you want from Stapp you won't get, if for no other reason than the legal issues. That is reality.

velocityidp · 08-05-2003, 01:08 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Dogstar
All moral relativity aside, you are not dealing in reality. What you want from Stapp you won't get, if for no other reason than the legal issues. That is reality.

Reality is what he makes it. In this materialistic world, it may not be compulsory. But I would reject that. To suggest that his actions are "understandable" under the circumstances ostensibly suggest that what he's doing is ok. It's either right of wrong as far as I'm concerned, and I think we both agree he's not been doing the right thing in all this.

Dogstar · 08-05-2003, 01:12 AM

I wasn't addressing the right or wrong part of it. I was addressing the REALITY part of it. You keep expecting him to do something he or 99 percent of the people in a similar situation would not do. He's not going to 'fess up with millions at stake. That's the bottom line. I already said earlier that I didn't buy his explanation and that yes, it was disappointing to me that he said it. I said he would have been better off saying nothing.

velocityidp · 08-05-2003, 01:17 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Dogstar
I wasn't addressing the right or wrong part of it. I was addressing the REALITY part of it. You keep expecting him to do something he or 99 percent of the people in a similar situation would not do. He's not going to 'fess up with millions at stake. That's the bottom line. I already said earlier that I didn't buy his explanation and that yes, it was disappointing to me that he said it. I said he would have been better off saying nothing.

I understand what you're saying... but I guess I just have a problem with writing it off to "reality." I know where you're coming from, but I really think (with all due respect) it's an invalid point. I think the true reality is that he did the wrong thing on several occassions, and now he's going to have to deal with the ramifications.

Dogstar · 08-05-2003, 01:24 AM

Im not *writing off* anything and I resent any such implication that my moral standards are somehow inferior simply because I choose to accept the fact that he won't do what you've said is the right thing to do. I'm dealing with reality. That is just the way our society is. I don't like it, but I'm not going to bang my head against the fricken wall or pull a Don Quixote. You have to accept that some people just aren't going to be on the same moral page. In our society, that number is large. It's unfortunate, but it's the way it is.

velocityidp · 08-05-2003, 01:32 AM

Quote: Im not *writing off* anything and I resent any such implication that my moral standards are somehow inferior

I never said that... and I don't think that. I was trying to make an "academic" point and nothing more.

Quote: I'm dealing with reality. I don't like it, but I'm not going to bang my head against the fricken wall

And I said I understand where you're coming from. The only reason I keep posting on this subject is that there are still people (not including you) that seem to accept this behavior and give Scott a "pass" just because he's Creed.

If you think I'm just being arguementative, you might be right. I tend to do that sometimes. But it's more about the enjoyment of discussion/debate than it is me "asserting superior morals." If I come across that way, I surely don't mean to.

souldancer · 08-05-2003, 02:26 AM

Quote: Originally posted by velocityidp
[B
And I said I understand where you're coming from. The only reason I keep posting on this subject is that there are still people (not including you) that seem to accept this behavior and give Scott a "pass" just because he's Creed.

If you think I'm just being arguementative, you might be right. I tend to do that sometimes. But it's more about the enjoyment of discussion/debate than it is me "asserting superior morals." If I come across that way, I surely don't mean to. [/b]

Well, maybe some of us just feel FINE with how we accept this situation! As diffidult as it may be for you to believe this. And, sometimes life is about just accepting how we are! You are argumentative and Scott is passionate. So, why the friggin hell you can't just let this go is hard for me to personally grasp. These guys are musicians and not some judges or religious icons. But, as my cofee mug says,,,"whatever"...Just stop fucking messing with my favorite band - and my CreedFeedFriends! (ha, had to add that...)

08-04-2003, 06:19 PM	#77
Lechium USER INFO » Status: Bound and Tied Posts: 2,293 Joined: Feb 2003 Currently: Offline	I dont hate them actually, just dont like them either. And after this insident I've lost whatever respect I had towards them, too. __________________ You bet I look good on the dance floor.

08-05-2003, 01:02 AM	#84
Dogstar Forum Diplomat USER INFO » Status: Young Grown Old Posts: 21,345 Joined: Sep 2002 Currently: Offline	Quote: I fully expect anyone to tell the truth no matter what the circumstances. An honest and forthright man would tell the truth and let the cards fall where they may. Heck, if Stapp would have done that to begin with, he wouldn't be in this mess. Now he's just going to have to keep lying to keep his story straight. What a pity All moral relativity aside, you are not dealing in reality. What you want from Stapp you won't get, if for no other reason than the legal issues. That is reality. __________________ Silly monkeys give them thumbs they make a club and beat their brother down. How they survive so misguided is a mystery.

08-05-2003, 01:12 AM	#86
Dogstar Forum Diplomat USER INFO » Status: Young Grown Old Posts: 21,345 Joined: Sep 2002 Currently: Offline	I wasn't addressing the right or wrong part of it. I was addressing the REALITY part of it. You keep expecting him to do something he or 99 percent of the people in a similar situation would not do. He's not going to 'fess up with millions at stake. That's the bottom line. I already said earlier that I didn't buy his explanation and that yes, it was disappointing to me that he said it. I said he would have been better off saying nothing. __________________ Silly monkeys give them thumbs they make a club and beat their brother down. How they survive so misguided is a mystery.

08-05-2003, 01:24 AM	#88
Dogstar Forum Diplomat USER INFO » Status: Young Grown Old Posts: 21,345 Joined: Sep 2002 Currently: Offline	Im not writing off anything and I resent any such implication that my moral standards are somehow inferior simply because I choose to accept the fact that he won't do what you've said is the right thing to do. I'm dealing with reality. That is just the way our society is. I don't like it, but I'm not going to bang my head against the fricken wall or pull a Don Quixote. You have to accept that some people just aren't going to be on the same moral page. In our society, that number is large. It's unfortunate, but it's the way it is. __________________ Silly monkeys give them thumbs they make a club and beat their brother down. How they survive so misguided is a mystery.

08-05-2003, 02:26 AM	#90
souldancer USER INFO » Status: Seeker Posts: 1,802 Joined: Sep 2002 Currently: Offline	Quote: Originally posted by velocityidp [B And I said I understand where you're coming from. The only reason I keep posting on this subject is that there are still people (not including you) that seem to accept this behavior and give Scott a "pass" just because he's Creed. If you think I'm just being arguementative, you might be right. I tend to do that sometimes. But it's more about the enjoyment of discussion/debate than it is me "asserting superior morals." If I come across that way, I surely don't mean to. [/b] Well, maybe some of us just feel FINE with how we accept this situation! As diffidult as it may be for you to believe this. And, sometimes life is about just accepting how we are! You are argumentative and Scott is passionate. So, why the friggin hell you can't just let this go is hard for me to personally grasp. These guys are musicians and not some judges or religious icons. But, as my cofee mug says,,,"whatever"...Just stop fucking messing with my favorite band - and my CreedFeedFriends! (ha, had to add that...) __________________ ..our youth will never die!

08-04-2003, 10:46 PM	#82
ZION1010 USER INFO » Status: INK'ed Posts: 976 Joined: Jul 2003 Currently: Offline	LOOK A WAY

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