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Re: Who wrote the lyrics for the songs of Creed?
Wasn't it revealed Mark wrote the most lyrics on the MOP album? Or was it the other way around? I forget...
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Re: Who wrote the lyrics for the songs of Creed?
I think it has been revealed that Mark wrote Torn, the chorus to My Own Prison and the first verse to What's This Life For - Mark's brother posted this in an old thread. I believe that Scott wrote the majority of the album. Take Torn for example - even that is lyrically different to the rest of the album.
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Re: Who wrote the lyrics for the songs of Creed?
I swear it was the other way around, Steve. I think the only songs Mark had a big role in(on MOP) were Torn(he wrote all of that), MOP(he wrote the chorus that he sings), Pity for a Dime(wrote the chorus) and WTLF(wrote the first verse and I think the chorus). I believe Stapp did all the rest, but I may be wrong on that.
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Re: Who wrote the lyrics for the songs of Creed?
Forgot that one!
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Re: Who wrote the lyrics for the songs of Creed?
i agree with u
btw ur scott qoute is funny" its good to be king" lol |
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Re: Who wrote the lyrics for the songs of Creed?
... and i can't believe some people are still in denial over this!!! songs like OYE, BW, TEIH, and the other slower, more "post-grungy" tracks (not FTR ODR and Metalingus).... they're veeeeeeery Creedish!
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Re: Who wrote the lyrics for the songs of Creed?
You have given 3 (dubious ) examples out of a possible 11. Broken Wings I agree with. As I said in a previos post, Mark is trying too hard to write like Scott - so it's inevitable that certain songs will sound Creedish. You also have to take into consideration that Mark did write the music to Creed - so it's also inevitable that certain songs will sound like Creed. I found no similarities lyrically, not musically. Take Care
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Re: Who wrote the lyrics for the songs of Creed?
Funny you should reapeat me on this one... I didn't say WHAT prise they won just that they did since I had forgotten whitch one it was seeing there so many of them.
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No Titan, Steve's right...
Robin, I think you have a bit too much belife in Stapp, I had too much belife in him once... Robin, you say that Mark is trying too hard to write like Stapp? Still you're saying you can't find any kind of traces of Mark writing the Creed lyrics when you look at AB songs, this for me is two things that can't be combined. Yes, I give it to you, Stapp uses Friend alot in Creed... BUT! Friend... Come on! Friend, that is such a used word allready... I'd say BW isn't Creedish since it's got a bluesy feel to it. Yes, Torn dose stand out from the rest of the songs on the album, but I'd say every CD has that song... Look at ILM on ODR, or WAWO or Signs... Now Signs is a good example to compare to Torn... They both have the same structure right? I mean, they don't tell a storie like most Creed songs try to do, they just stagger things up... Now Stapp actually have a song where he does just this... Let Go, here he just stagger things up on a pile... Take Care Oh but before I go, where did you read/hear Stapp say "it's good to be the king"?
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Considering I haven't seen any proof of Mark writing the majority of MOP's lyrics(meaning posts by Michael Tremonti, or interviews), I don't subscribe to that belief.....ESPECIALLY after taking AB's lyrics to heart. How anyone can think a song like My Own Prison is comparable to ANY song on ODR(from a lyrical standpoint) just boggles my mind.
As far as lyrical style is concerned, AB's lyrics are far more simplistic than Creed's were. Look at a song like "Faceless Man" and compare that to "Open Your Eyes". No comparison, as far as style and complexity is concerned. "Torn" sticks out like a sore thumb on MOP...for it's lyrical simplicity. Let's look at the lyrics, shall we? "Peace is what they tell me Love am I unholy Lies are what they tell me Despise you that control me (chorus) The peace is dead in my soul I have blamed the reason for My intentions poor Yes I'm the one who The only one who Would carry on this far Torn, I'm filthy Born in my own misery Stole all that you gave me Control you claim you save me (chorus)" And let's compare it to a song that we know Stapp wrote most of(excluding the chorus).....MOP: "A court is in session A verdict is in No appeal on the docket today Just my own sin The walls cold and pale The cage made of steel Screams fill the room Alone I drop and kneel Silence now the sound My breath the only motion around Demons cluttering around My face showing no emotion Shackled by my sentence Expecting no return Here there is no penance My skin begins to burn...... I hear a thunder in the distance See a vision of a cross I feel the pain that was given On that sad day of loss A lion roars in the darkness Only he holds the key A light to free me from my burdens And grant me life eternally Should have been dead on a Sunday morning Banging my head No time for mourning Ain't got no time..... I cry out to God Seeking only His decision Gabriel stands and confirms I've created my own prison". Let's then compare MOP to "Broken Wings": "Fight the fight alone When the world is full of victims Dims a fading light In our souls Leave the peace alone Now we all are slowly changing Dims a fading light In our souls In my opinion seeing is to know The things we hold Are always first to go And who's to say We won't end up alone [CHORUS] On broken wings I'm falling And it won't be long The skin on me is burning By the fires of the sun On skinned knees I'm bleeding And it won't be long I've got to find that meaning I'll search for so long Cry ourselves to sleep We will sleep alone forever Will you lay me down In the same place with all I love Mend the broken homes Care for them they are our brothers Save the fading light in our souls In my opinion seeing is to know What you give Will always carry you And who's to say We won't survive it too." Let's now compare "Broken Wings" to "Faceless Man": "I spent a day by the river It was quiet and the wind stood still I spent some time with nature To remind me of all that's real It's funny how silence speaks sometimes when you're alone And remember that you feel Again I stand against the Faceless Man Again I stand, lord I stand, against the Faceless Man Now I saw a face on the water It looked humble but willing to fight I saw the will of a warrior His yoke is easy and His burden is light He looked me right in the eyes Direct and concise to remind me To always do what's right". Given Stapp's strict religious upbringing, the fact that he was often "forced" to read the Bible as punishment, and the fact that many of Creed's lyrics were quite spiritual(such as "Faceless Man"), it would appear that Stapp was responsible for the vast majority of Creed's lyrics. Remember: lyrics are a VERY personal thing. That much, as a lyricist, I can attest to. Stapp's spiritual struggles, his upbringing, are reflected in Creed's lyrics. That leads me to believe that he, not Tremo, wrote the majority of the Creed lyrics....especially when I see what Tremo has written for AB.
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Re: Who wrote the lyrics for the songs of Creed?
I think Scott's a fan of Mel Brooks' History of the World Pt. 1. (hilarious movie.) |
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Re: Who wrote the lyrics for the songs of Creed?
Scott writes the vast majority of lyrics..........here is an exerpt from an interview with Mark in the April 2001 issue of Guitar World magazine :
GW: What do you each(Stapp and Tremonti) bring to the table? Tremonti: I'm the heavy guy. When we first got together, Scott wasn't very well versed in rock n' roll music. He liked U2 and the Doors. He liked singers that told a story and had some substance in their lyrics. Scott is a brilliant lyricist; he writes real deep and meaningful stuff. I write music and hum stuff pretty well. I come up with garbage kind of words, some that stick and most that don't. So when we get together, I put all my effort into the music and he puts all his into the lyrics. Then we finish the melodies together. We fill each other's voids. I have trouble writing lyrics and Scott can't play guitar. Stapp wrote the VAST majority of MOP. Let's face it,...Tremonti is not a good lyricist. He has said so himself along with ODR speaking loudly as well.
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Titan... Yes, Scott was brought up in a strict christian home that would make the Creed lyrics fit his world perfect, I must agree (being a lyricist myself I know this). But I can also look at a movie and just feel how that movie could be a great song and how to the song would be built up, Mark could have written lyrics ABOUT Stapp, lyrics that was formed by Stapps life.
One reson as far as I see it, why you can't compare ODR lyrics to MOP lyrics is becous they're written with 10 years difference. Take Don't Stop Dancing witch Mark reportedly have said he regreat ever written becouse of the way that Stapp sings it: "At times life is wicked and I just can’t see the light A silver lining sometimes isn’t enough To make some wrongs seem right Whatever life brings I’ve been through everything And now I’m on my knees again But I know I must go on Although I hurt I must be strong Because inside I know that many feel this way Children don’t stop dancing Believe you can fly Away…away At times life’s unfair and you know it’s plain to see Hey God I know I’m just a dot in this world Have you forgot about me? Whatever life brings I’ve been through everything And now I’m on my knees again But I know I must go on Although I hurt I must be strong Because inside I know that many feel this way Am I hiding in the shadows? Forget the pain and forget the sorrows But I know I must go on Although I hurt I must be strong Because inside I know that many feel this way Children don’t stop dancing Believe you can fly Away…away Am I hiding in the shadows? Are we hiding in the shadows?" This is so unlike the anything we've seen on MOP, and IF Stapp wrote this then he's changed his style of doing the lyrics. Witch Mark should have too if he wrote the lyrics. You say that Torn sticks out like a "sore thumb" on MOP, well, I don't know about you but when I get this inspiration lighting strike I tend to not write like I use to write, it tend to be more direct and not hidden behind over thought lines and stuff, perhaps Mark has the same writing style. Just look at ILM, that sticks out kind of alot from the rest of the songs doesn't it? You compare Faceless Man to Open Your Eyes, that's just lame. OYE isn't Marks best tune at all, it's too popish... Come on! There is (as far as I know) one other spiritual song on that record, namely Down To My Last. And that for me is compareble to Down To My Last.
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