Creed made Stapp?

[RoffeDH]

I think that the only thing that Scott "healped" Mark with on the sound is to bring the bas up a bit on the guitar and down with tremble... But other then that Scott knows shit in my opinion.

As for Flip and Brian, I think that Mark did a very poor job on Weatherd and therefor the bas didn't get that much atention... Brian not being in the band... Didn't like that, didn't feel right, but had brian been someone else that person would probobly had been missed, I think Brian have to have a more signature sound to him, do some slapping and stuff, perhaps do some intros, take some space for crying out loud! Flip, he's a good drummer (I think) I'm no drummer myself but I belive he's good, nothing original though and that's a bit sad... But it might be hard on drums, I have no idea...

So conclution: Stapp and Mark would have made it on their own probobly but was better of togeather (we think), they would, with the highest posibillity have made it without Flip and Brian (no mater how much I like them, that's probobly the trouth). Any objektions?

[stappfan]

Without question, Stapp made Creed.

[metalchris25]

I think that Mark would have always been successful. You don't make a guitar sing like that and not make it big. If it were not for him, I don't know if I would have ever picked up a guitar.

I think that Scott, too, would have made it because of the originality of his voice. I know a lot of people say he sounds like Vedder, but I don't see it.

[Creed7352]

never quoted on this before and i have no idea why, but i am now...lol

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Whereas if you had asked about Creed during their heyday, said mainstream music fan would have known exactly who you were talking about.

the thing with that is that you're basically saying that ab is in their hey day now and they're not recognized. i don't think ab has hit their hey day yet...so i think you'd have to wait till they do to pass that judgement.

[titan9]

It's been nearly 5 months, but let me clarify what I think I meant. Creed's debut album was a big hit. They had four number one singles and sold millions of copies of MOP. Let's compare that to AB and Stapp. AB's debut: around 800K sold(estimate on my part). Stapp's debut: 500-800K sold(not sure about this?). AB's radio success: OYE was a top 20 rock radio hit, but none of the other singles got that big. Stapp's singles: TGD was also a top 20 rock radio hit, but he just officially released his second single, so it's a bit hard to tell how his next singles will do. Overall popularity: as far as I can tell, not that many people know about Stapp/AB, even rock radio fans. Back in '97/'98, practically every rock radio fan knew about Creed.

[LeftOfTheMurder]

Call me crazy, but I have a sneaking suspicion that Alter Bridge's second album is going to be very, very big and make them known to every mainstream rock radio fan. Anyone else think so?

I think lightning will strike twice for Mark Tremonti. He's a very hard working, talented musician - I don't know who deserves it more than him.

[eusebioCBR]

Quote: (Originally Posted by LeftOfTheMurder)

Call me crazy, but I have a sneaking suspicion that Alter Bridge's second album is going to be very, very big and make them known to every mainstream rock radio fan. Anyone else think so?

I think lightning will strike twice for Mark Tremonti. He's a very hard working, talented musician - I don't know who deserves it more than him.

I'm going to agree with you. I know AB and Stapp were not major hits(CREED - MOP), but at this point it seems AB has had and is having a more solid tour.

An opening act on the casino circuit for a band that peaked when I was the 8th grade(I'm 33 now)............. I'm not bashing, I'm just............what ever.

[titan9]

Stapp obviously could have done better than tour with INXS. But I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Plenty of artists/bands open for lesser known artists/bands on smaller scale tours. Stapp did the whole solo headliner intimate venue thing and had a good deal of success with that. I'm thinking that as he gets more established as a solo artist, he'll have even more success touring solo.

Honestly, I think both second albums(from Stapp and AB) will do much, much better. Both Stapp and AB are bound to get more airplay which, of course, usually translates to more record sales and more success. Stapp will probably do best on pop radio(and it pains me to say that....but I don't know if rock stations will be willing to play Stapp...they didn't play much Creed after the ultra-commercial album that was Weathered) and AB will probably do best on rock radio. Ideally, though, I'd like to see them both get rock radio airplay.

[metalchris25]

I think that AB will do VERY well with the new one. I am not so sure about Scott, I am pained to say.

[Dogstar]

Quote: (Originally Posted by LeftOfTheMurder)

Call me crazy, but I have a sneaking suspicion that Alter Bridge's second album is going to be very, very big and make them known to every mainstream rock radio fan. Anyone else think so?

I think lightning will strike twice for Mark Tremonti. He's a very hard working, talented musician - I don't know who deserves it more than him.

I hope you're right. They have to find a label willing to let go of the Creed sound. I liked ODR, and I know some of those songs on it likely would have ended up on a fourth Creed album, but some of the songs were too Creed-sounding. I just hope they find a label that will let them develop their sound, not some uninspired sound some executive wants to shove down our throats.

[Creed7352]

^^^ yes...i agree with dogstar here on the execs thing.

and i agree that ab's second album will be much better..and rightfully so with myles and the others pulling more into the band and writing and songs etc..also, WU only gave the guys 2 singles off of ODR and we all know there should've been more (like when tons of people wanted metalingus for a single, it was/is used as an entrance song for a wrestler - giving it more exposure - and there were quite a few stations that picked it up anyway and played it..and it was never a single..wtf was WU thinking?)...you get my rant here hehe, do i need to continue?

[RelearningLove]

As far as I'm concerned...it doesn't really matter. lol It happened and who will ever know if Mark or Scott would have made it without each other.

[George Brasil]

A good question, but a senseless question!
I think that Scott would not be without Mark, and CREED/Mark it would not be without Scott!

[staghorn]

DUDE! You are so wrong man! Scott STAPP is what made creed. His voice is freakin phenomenal! No one has a powerful strong voice like him. That is what made them successful! Have you ever seen them in concert? if not then you shouldnt even comment! Plus scott wrote most of the lyrics and tunes anyway !

[J.T.]

Dude...no, dude...Stapp made Creed more than Creed made Stapp. He didnt completely make Creed but he was the dominating factor. Just look at Alter Bridge. You take out Stapp and put a new guy in, and the sales go down like crazy. (Nothin against AB, I like em.) Stapp all the way. His new solo album did better than AB's album. and dont question me because it did.