Who's down with the Peppers? - Page 2

DekWannaBFlea · 12-12-2004, 04:45 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Said Eyes) I feel like I'm repeating myself a bit, but No.

How RHCP can even be thought of in the same sentace boggles the mind. You really must have no idea of what the Beatles did.

Its a f'ing methapor, it is clear that the The peppers are not on the same level as the Beatles. They changed the face of music, and inspired a generation. But if you think about it the peppers have basically inspired thousands of musicans. IF you ask any bass player that is about my age who inspired you to become a bassist? and 7 out of 10 times you will get flea. The peppers have been able to incorperate so many different genres of music into their sound that most likely if you like any form of rock and roll you will like the peppers. If fact one of my friend generally hates rock but loves the peppers. WHy is that? Because they have universal appeal like the Beatles did.

The RHCP's also were able to change the face of rock music by fusing funk, punk, alternative, soft rock, rock, Hard rock, classic rock and various other forms of rock into somethingthat works. In fact the basically inspired, rap metal, funk metal and other genres to this day.
Ever heard of:
Primus
Rage Against the Machine
Sugar Ray
311
Sublime ?

They were all insprired by RHCP's.

While ill agree that they aren't nearly on he same scale as the beatles they sure as hell has a pretty big impact on rock as we know it.

DekWannaBFlea · 12-13-2004, 12:33 PM

Anybody else?

Torn Daredevil · 12-13-2004, 03:09 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by DekWannaBFlea) Its a f'ing methapor, it is clear that the The peppers are not on the same level as the Beatles. They changed the face of music, and inspired a generation. But if you think about it the peppers have basically inspired thousands of musicans. IF you ask any bass player that is about my age who inspired you to become a bassist? and 7 out of 10 times you will get flea. The peppers have been able to incorperate so many different genres of music into their sound that most likely if you like any form of rock and roll you will like the peppers. If fact one of my friend generally hates rock but loves the peppers. WHy is that? Because they have universal appeal like the Beatles did.

The RHCP's also were able to change the face of rock music by fusing funk, punk, alternative, soft rock, rock, Hard rock, classic rock and various other forms of rock into somethingthat works. In fact the basically inspired, rap metal, funk metal and other genres to this day.
Ever heard of:
Primus
Rage Against the Machine
Sugar Ray
311
Sublime ?

They were all insprired by RHCP's.

While ill agree that they aren't nearly on he same scale as the beatles they sure as hell has a pretty big impact on rock as we know it.

No.

I can think of at least 50 bands within the last 20 years with more influence on rock music.

DekWannaBFlea · 12-13-2004, 10:30 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Hellboy) No.

I can think of at least 50 bands within the last 20 years with more influence on rock music.

Give me one of them then.

You can't count Nirvana, because they are done.

Dogstar · 12-14-2004, 12:01 AM

That's bullshit that you can't count Nirvana. Please...influence is influence whether the band is done or not...and there are much bigger bands from more than 20 years ago who had a big impact on rock.

Here are some of mine of the top of my head:
Metallica
U2
Led Zeppelin
Pink Floyd
Alice In Chains

aussiecreeder · 12-14-2004, 12:08 AM

albums like BSSM were great but the last couple of albums could have being better. john's solo work is better these days and flea could do better. i think anthony holds those guys back in all honesty.

Said Eyes · 12-14-2004, 03:34 AM

Quote: (Originally Posted by DekWannaBFlea) Its a f'ing methapor, etc

I'm not going to argue because you can obviously site all this stuff that I really couldn't care less about, plus I do like RHCP, but comparing ANYONE to the Beatles is just foolish and show's you have no idea about what those 4 Merseysiders did.

edit: AND it was a similie, not a metaphor.

DekWannaBFlea · 12-14-2004, 11:34 AM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dogstar) That's bullshit that you can't count Nirvana. Please...influence is influence whether the band is done or not...and there are much bigger bands from more than 20 years ago who had a big impact on rock.

Here are some of mine of the top of my head:
Metallica
U2
Led Zeppelin
Pink Floyd
Alice In Chains

Is Zeppelin, floyd my generation? I am 18.

No i didn't think so.

Metallica- Ill agree that Metallica is up there , and most likely a beatles like inspiration. Even though their last 3 albums have blew and really haven't inspired anybody except to blow chunks.
Alice in Chains- No, just no. Nirvana had more influence on rock as a whole than AIC did. The only band that i can think of is Godsmack that AIC inspired.

U2- While inspiring, hardly inspiring to the modern rock scene, can you name any bands (besides Stapp) that has been inspired by U2?

DekWannaBFlea · 12-14-2004, 11:35 AM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Said Eyes) I'm not going to argue because you can obviously site all this stuff that I really couldn't care less about, plus I do like RHCP, but comparing ANYONE to the Beatles is just foolish and show's you have no idea about what those 4 Merseysiders did.

edit: AND it was a similie, not a metaphor.

Did i not clarify my self to what i meant? Reread the long post.

DekWannaBFlea · 12-14-2004, 11:42 AM

Quote: (Originally Posted by handmedown) albums like BSSM were great but the last couple of albums could have being better. john's solo work is better these days and flea could do better. i think anthony holds those guys back in all honesty.

Except the last album was more focused on guitar and they wanted to try something new. By the way was still an amazing album.

Californication most likely in the top 30 of greatest albums of the 90's. SImply amazing album. BSSM is a great album too.

Illl agree that fleas' playing has taken the back seat, but he is doing it on purpose to let john shine. Flea is still amazing, and the construction of his parts are awe inspiring.

Torn Daredevil · 12-14-2004, 01:44 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by DekWannaBFlea) Give me one of them then.

You can't count Nirvana, because they are done.

Bullshit, Nirvana counts.

Here ya go, just a few:

Nirvana
Smashing Pumpkins
Metallica
Creed
Pearl Jam
Rage Against the Machine
Soundgarden
Tool
NIN
No Doubt
Alice in Chains

Dogstar · 12-14-2004, 01:47 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by DekWannaBFlea) Is Zeppelin, floyd my generation? I am 18.

No i didn't think so.

Go listen to some of it and then listen to Soundgarden and even Alter Bridge, Big Wreck/Thornley and countless other bands. How many singers left and right have been influenced by Robert Plant? Open your mind.

Quote: Alice in Chains- No, just no. Nirvana had more influence on rock as a whole than AIC did. The only band that i can think of is Godsmack that AIC inspired.

Again, expand your mind. Listen to the guitars. A lot of bands, even though they can't match AIC (Nickelback, Default, Days of the New, Dust For Life, I could go on and on), owe a debt to Jerry Cantrell, who, by the way, borrowed from his influences and the generation that came before him (Zeppelin, King's X, AC/DC). Again, expand your mind. And I never said they had as much influence as Nirvana, only that they had more influence on current rock in general than the RHCP.

jango · 12-15-2004, 02:10 AM

Quote: (Originally Posted by DekWannaBFlea) Except the last album was more focused on guitar and they wanted to try something new. By the way was still an amazing album.

Californication most likely in the top 30 of greatest albums of the 90's. SImply amazing album. BSSM is a great album too.

Illl agree that fleas' playing has taken the back seat, but he is doing it on purpose to let john shine. Flea is still amazing, and the construction of his parts are awe inspiring.

You are truly misguided. RHCP had little influence over Rage. Morello's guitar is light years ahead of Frusciante and Flea combined. NEVER place those two bands on the same loft. They do not belong together. Californication is not the band's best work, let alone anywhere near the top 30 of the last decade. Not even close... top 300, maybe... maybe. But even that's a stretch.

Bands inspired by Alice in Chains/Layne Staley:
Monster Magnet
Candlebox
Kyuss - bassist rivals Flea
Deftones
Creed - on many levels
Velvet Revolver
Foo Fighters
Queens - Nick Oliveri OWNS flea, end of discussion
Fu Manchu
Seven Mary Three

The peppers stirred a bit in the 80s, I'll give you that, but they faded into medicority in the 90s.

Dogstar · 12-15-2004, 11:29 AM

Quote: RHCP had little influence over Rage. Morello's guitar is light years ahead of Frusciante and Flea combined. NEVER place those two bands on the same loft. They do not belong together.

Thank you.

creedsister · 12-15-2004, 09:32 PM

i take my peppers moods, and thats about it to me there just a band that has no justice untill you heared,em live

12-14-2004, 12:01 AM	#20
Dogstar Forum Diplomat USER INFO » Status: Young Grown Old Posts: 21,345 Joined: Sep 2002 Currently: Offline	That's bullshit that you can't count Nirvana. Please...influence is influence whether the band is done or not...and there are much bigger bands from more than 20 years ago who had a big impact on rock. Here are some of mine of the top of my head: Metallica U2 Led Zeppelin Pink Floyd Alice In Chains __________________ Silly monkeys give them thumbs they make a club and beat their brother down. How they survive so misguided is a mystery.

12-14-2004, 01:47 PM	#27
Dogstar Forum Diplomat USER INFO » Status: Young Grown Old Posts: 21,345 Joined: Sep 2002 Currently: Offline	Quote: (Originally Posted by DekWannaBFlea) Is Zeppelin, floyd my generation? I am 18. No i didn't think so. Go listen to some of it and then listen to Soundgarden and even Alter Bridge, Big Wreck/Thornley and countless other bands. How many singers left and right have been influenced by Robert Plant? Open your mind. Quote: Alice in Chains- No, just no. Nirvana had more influence on rock as a whole than AIC did. The only band that i can think of is Godsmack that AIC inspired. Again, expand your mind. Listen to the guitars. A lot of bands, even though they can't match AIC (Nickelback, Default, Days of the New, Dust For Life, I could go on and on), owe a debt to Jerry Cantrell, who, by the way, borrowed from his influences and the generation that came before him (Zeppelin, King's X, AC/DC). Again, expand your mind. And I never said they had as much influence as Nirvana, only that they had more influence on current rock in general than the RHCP. __________________ Silly monkeys give them thumbs they make a club and beat their brother down. How they survive so misguided is a mystery.

12-15-2004, 02:10 AM	#28
jango USER INFO » Status: Faceless Fan Posts: 460 Joined: Sep 2002 Currently: Offline	Quote: (Originally Posted by DekWannaBFlea) Except the last album was more focused on guitar and they wanted to try something new. By the way was still an amazing album. Californication most likely in the top 30 of greatest albums of the 90's. SImply amazing album. BSSM is a great album too. Illl agree that fleas' playing has taken the back seat, but he is doing it on purpose to let john shine. Flea is still amazing, and the construction of his parts are awe inspiring. You are truly misguided. RHCP had little influence over Rage. Morello's guitar is light years ahead of Frusciante and Flea combined. NEVER place those two bands on the same loft. They do not belong together. Californication is not the band's best work, let alone anywhere near the top 30 of the last decade. Not even close... top 300, maybe... maybe. But even that's a stretch. Bands inspired by Alice in Chains/Layne Staley: Monster Magnet Candlebox Kyuss - bassist rivals Flea Deftones Creed - on many levels Velvet Revolver Foo Fighters Queens - Nick Oliveri OWNS flea, end of discussion Fu Manchu Seven Mary Three The peppers stirred a bit in the 80s, I'll give you that, but they faded into medicority in the 90s. __________________ "Nineteen hundred and forty-six. Nineteen forty-six, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works."

12-15-2004, 11:29 AM	#29
Dogstar Forum Diplomat USER INFO » Status: Young Grown Old Posts: 21,345 Joined: Sep 2002 Currently: Offline	Quote: RHCP had little influence over Rage. Morello's guitar is light years ahead of Frusciante and Flea combined. NEVER place those two bands on the same loft. They do not belong together. Thank you. __________________ Silly monkeys give them thumbs they make a club and beat their brother down. How they survive so misguided is a mystery.

12-15-2004, 09:32 PM	#30
creedsister USER INFO » Status: Tree of Wisdom Posts: 8,290 Joined: Oct 2003 Currently: Offline	i take my peppers moods, and thats about it to me there just a band that has no justice untill you heared,em live __________________ Hush child I,ll tell you why you have Loved Me when you were weak you have given me unselfishly Kept you From Falling Falling everywhere But Your Kness you set me free to live my life you become my Reason To Survive The Great Divide you Set Me Free Ooh Our Love Is Beautiful Ooh isn,t This Beautiful Child It Seems You Have Been My Everything

12-12-2004, 04:45 PM	#16
DekWannaBFlea USER INFO » Status: Faceless Fan Posts: 500 Joined: Sep 2004 Currently: Offline	Quote: (Originally Posted by Said Eyes) I feel like I'm repeating myself a bit, but *No.* How RHCP can even be thought of in the same sentace boggles the mind. You really must have no idea of what the Beatles did. Its a f'ing methapor, it is clear that the The peppers are not on the same level as the Beatles. They changed the face of music, and inspired a generation. But if you think about it the peppers have basically inspired thousands of musicans. IF you ask any bass player that is about my age who inspired you to become a bassist? and 7 out of 10 times you will get flea. The peppers have been able to incorperate so many different genres of music into their sound that most likely if you like any form of rock and roll you will like the peppers. If fact one of my friend generally hates rock but loves the peppers. WHy is that? Because they have universal appeal like the Beatles did. The RHCP's also were able to change the face of rock music by fusing funk, punk, alternative, soft rock, rock, Hard rock, classic rock and various other forms of rock into somethingthat works. In fact the basically inspired, rap metal, funk metal and other genres to this day. Ever heard of: Primus Rage Against the Machine Sugar Ray 311 Sublime ? They were all insprired by RHCP's. While ill agree that they aren't nearly on he same scale as the beatles they sure as hell has a pretty big impact on rock as we know it.

12-13-2004, 12:33 PM	#17
DekWannaBFlea USER INFO » Status: Faceless Fan Posts: 500 Joined: Sep 2004 Currently: Offline	Anybody else?

12-13-2004, 03:09 PM	#18
Torn Daredevil USER INFO » Status: INK'ed Posts: 753 Joined: Apr 2004 Currently: Offline	Quote: (Originally Posted by DekWannaBFlea) Its a f'ing methapor, it is clear that the The peppers are not on the same level as the Beatles. They changed the face of music, and inspired a generation. But if you think about it the peppers have basically inspired thousands of musicans. IF you ask any bass player that is about my age who inspired you to become a bassist? and 7 out of 10 times you will get flea. The peppers have been able to incorperate so many different genres of music into their sound that most likely if you like any form of rock and roll you will like the peppers. If fact one of my friend generally hates rock but loves the peppers. WHy is that? Because they have universal appeal like the Beatles did. The RHCP's also were able to change the face of rock music by fusing funk, punk, alternative, soft rock, rock, Hard rock, classic rock and various other forms of rock into somethingthat works. In fact the basically inspired, rap metal, funk metal and other genres to this day. Ever heard of: Primus Rage Against the Machine Sugar Ray 311 Sublime ? They were all insprired by RHCP's. While ill agree that they aren't nearly on he same scale as the beatles they sure as hell has a pretty big impact on rock as we know it. No. I can think of at least 50 bands within the last 20 years with more influence on rock music.

12-13-2004, 10:30 PM	#19
DekWannaBFlea USER INFO » Status: Faceless Fan Posts: 500 Joined: Sep 2004 Currently: Offline	Quote: (Originally Posted by Hellboy) No. I can think of at least 50 bands within the last 20 years with more influence on rock music. Give me one of them then. You can't count Nirvana, because they are done.

12-14-2004, 11:34 AM	#23
DekWannaBFlea USER INFO » Status: Faceless Fan Posts: 500 Joined: Sep 2004 Currently: Offline	Quote: (Originally Posted by Dogstar) That's bullshit that you can't count Nirvana. Please...influence is influence whether the band is done or not...and there are much bigger bands from more than 20 years ago who had a big impact on rock. Here are some of mine of the top of my head: Metallica U2 Led Zeppelin Pink Floyd Alice In Chains Is Zeppelin, floyd my generation? I am 18. No i didn't think so. Metallica- Ill agree that Metallica is up there , and most likely a beatles like inspiration. Even though their last 3 albums have blew and really haven't inspired anybody except to blow chunks. Alice in Chains- No, just no. Nirvana had more influence on rock as a whole than AIC did. The only band that i can think of is Godsmack that AIC inspired. U2- While inspiring, hardly inspiring to the modern rock scene, can you name any bands (besides Stapp) that has been inspired by U2?

12-14-2004, 11:35 AM	#24
DekWannaBFlea USER INFO » Status: Faceless Fan Posts: 500 Joined: Sep 2004 Currently: Offline	Quote: (Originally Posted by Said Eyes) I'm not going to argue because you can obviously site all this stuff that I really couldn't care less about, plus I do like RHCP, but comparing ANYONE to the Beatles is just foolish and show's you have no idea about what those 4 Merseysiders did. edit: AND it was a similie, not a metaphor. Did i not clarify my self to what i meant? Reread the long post.

12-14-2004, 11:42 AM	#25
DekWannaBFlea USER INFO » Status: Faceless Fan Posts: 500 Joined: Sep 2004 Currently: Offline	Quote: (Originally Posted by handmedown) albums like BSSM were great but the last couple of albums could have being better. john's solo work is better these days and flea could do better. i think anthony holds those guys back in all honesty. Except the last album was more focused on guitar and they wanted to try something new. By the way was still an amazing album. Californication most likely in the top 30 of greatest albums of the 90's. SImply amazing album. BSSM is a great album too. Illl agree that fleas' playing has taken the back seat, but he is doing it on purpose to let john shine. Flea is still amazing, and the construction of his parts are awe inspiring.

12-14-2004, 01:44 PM	#26
Torn Daredevil USER INFO » Status: INK'ed Posts: 753 Joined: Apr 2004 Currently: Offline	Quote: (Originally Posted by DekWannaBFlea) Give me one of them then. You can't count Nirvana, because they are done. Bullshit, Nirvana counts. Here ya go, just a few: Nirvana Smashing Pumpkins Metallica Creed Pearl Jam Rage Against the Machine Soundgarden Tool NIN No Doubt Alice in Chains

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