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[bilal]

continued from the post above due to space shortage , please do consider part1 of this post or the rest of this post might not make clear sence

Quote: (Originally Posted by Chase)

My country is shedding blood, sweat, and tears to make your region a better place. We're sacrificing our lives to rid the region of aggressive regimes.

i see whats happening in Iraq....impressive.....you did get rid of that MO-FO regime......horray......i see its so all better these days..... is it really the passion of the people of USA, their living desire....to get rid of regimes like Sadam hussain....or really....do they give a fu**, unless , unless, you administration says"people....they got WMD's....we have to attack or we will be seriously fu**ed,"...... you can talk compassionatly but you cant hide the truth.....again an ill planed IDIOTIC mission....with all due respect to those USA soldiers now in Iraq....you know Chase... in a place where almost 100 people are dying horroble deaths each day (UN stattistics of 100 deaths perday) ...and if i was there to do what US soldiers are supposed to do.....i might needed to wear dippers......seriously.....it looks easy in movies...but believe me..its not..... but you see...that is the same feeling that makes you do all the mistakenly things....just to make it to the end of the day....to make way back home....i have seen it on TV, your ARmy doesnt love to be in Iraq...but hey they are there...bravo....very brave..but we know now what silly crimes took place in vietnam...and same is happening in Iraq ..... ofcource US soldiers arnt built by ACME....same God made them as the GOd that made me ...sorry..i am being a bit harsh here....buT DONT USE THE HEROIC SACRIFICES OF YOUR BRAVE SOLDIERS TO JUSTIFY THE CRIMES THAT ARE BIENG COMMITED FROM THEM......PLEASE DONT WASTE THERI SACRIFICES BY USING IT TO PICTURE WHATS GOING ON IS GOOD....atleast for therir sake.....

Quote: (Originally Posted by Chase)

I'm sure countless numbers of Lebanese people called the United States idiotic. But what cracks me up is that they're now pissed off at us for not jumping to their rescue. When, in fact, we're working diligently with the international community to get a cease fire put into action. I can guarantee you, if tomorrow, a disaster struck your country... Americans would be there pulling Pakistanis out of the rubble.

no one is asking USA to jump to rescue.....when your pal, Israel is doing the thing it do the best, that really cracked me up....... USA is deligently working for cease fire?.....isnt after 1000 deaths, mnostly of children, that should have been done, may be USA is waiting for the Zulu nations to cast theri vote for the cease fire......you know very well Chase what each and every muslim country wants, cease fire!.....but what is stoping it then???...whyis UN at so invisible at the moment?... leave this for you to answer mr.chase.........

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I can guarantee you, if tomorrow, a disaster struck your country... Americans would be there pulling Pakistanis out of the rubble.

the only disaster that can struck my country is USA!!!! ........ Chase my freind, i appreciate your offer, but it would be really pathetic and sick of me if i start countin any Natural disaster in past 2 years or so where you could have actually be puling out me from the rubble.....every country faces some seriuos stuff...i am sorry if i might come harsh again..if death tolll is the only case to determine the amount of help a country needs...then compare the death toll of 9-11 with the earth quack that hit my coutry last winter, at hte moutiain freezing areas...you see Chase , it dont work that way, and by the way, WHY pull Pakistanis out of the rubble?.....at the very moment...lebnese people are under rubble......why you arnt pulling them out?????...are they any different ......thanks for your offer...but no thanks!

Quote: (Originally Posted by Chase)

America is a country that was built by millions of once poor immigrants. Poor immigrants who have shed their blood for millions of other people around the world. I would at least appreciate some people to actually recognize that for once.

you know Chase...if you cut the crap about sheding blood for others....surely you do.... and so do we..... which country has the best millitary peace keeping record in UN, how many Pakistani soilders server worldwide in UN, we all do Chase...we all do, its a policy of this world that only that nations acheive Greatness that PAid the price of Sacrifice....and if USA is a super power....its nothing but Sacrifice, both military on war grounds and in domestic work, has USA achieved that position. i appreciate that....and so stands valid for Germans, french, british, they all have Shed bloood for theri country...its only sacrifice that got u and all others at a glorius state.....aggreed.....but getting power is a source of dictatorship too.....think abut it.....why is USA the only nation in the world that is most disliked by other nations......i am sorry...but you might not accet it sitting inside.....its me telling you from the outside..i am not asking you to respect my Country... but dont portray your drawn picture to the rest of the world....please try to relate my words wit the whole of what i ve written and not just the past few lines....i dont respect USA glory...i disrespect what you have used it for afterwards

Quote: (Originally Posted by Chase)

Oh, and the outcome of the attacks in Afghanistan? Yeah, we definitely know the outcome. Women can now actually get an education, the Taliban isn't funding Al Qaeda and repressing the citizens of Afghanistan. My fucking best friend came so close to death trying to protect Afghans from what's left of the Taliban... so you remember that young, American men, of all races and faiths, are dying for a cause that'll keep the WORLD safer.

so ...attacks on afghanistan was to librate women......1000 killed, rather thatn educated, to achieve that purpose......for years and years...no body knew whats going onn in Afghanistan, and suddenly, so much love and compassion, WILL to lay life for afghanis, how touching........surely Taliban sucked in ruling their people.....they did suck, but i would love to deabte on afghanistan and specially taliban, and the role of USA in the history of taliban....would love to.....make a new post.....up up and away, but have mercy on my fingers ....i cant take any more right now......i have been in interaction with fleeing afghanis, ive seen em rott, i have talked with actualy TAliban fighters, they are in my streets till now...working as dime a day labourors, drug addicts, beggers.....



Chase, i appreciate your replying to my post, i am hoping you will continue doing that, not just to win an argument, but to educate me, and to let your self be educated in the process too, its only if we see eye to eye, we CAN do some good

[metalchris25]

I just want to say that I am REALLY enjoying this discussion!!!
(pardon me, carry on.....)

[Ana4Stapp]

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(Originally Posted by Chase) Oh, and the outcome of the attacks in Afghanistan? Yeah, we definitely know the outcome. Women can now actually get an education, the Taliban isn't funding Al Qaeda and repressing the citizens of Afghanistan. My fucking best friend came so close to death trying to protect Afghans from what's left of the Taliban... so you remember that young, American men, of all races and faiths, are dying for a cause that'll keep the WORLD safer.

Oh MY GOD!!!

[Ana4Stapp]

double post sory!!!!!!!

[Ana4Stapp]

Hey actualy my life is a mess rite now...so i was trying to stay away from this discussion....but of course I CANT kep this 'neutral poisition'-lol and I need to say that this discussion is very interesting....but some things are realy disturbing me A LO!!!!!

First... I cant believe Chase is still seeing History from one perspective(AND THIS IS WRONG as a history student u know its condened ok?).....I mean from patriotism....trying to justify every single action of US as a GOOd AND MERCIFUL ACT....

Dont u think that US is acting as the same violent methods that the terorists use? They kileld 6000 in september 11 ....tell me how many died in Iraq, Afeganisthan and Lebanon?

You realy think tht US has noting to do with this Lebanon genocide? And hey hey im not defending Hezbollah actions....at all....but ignoring the interest that ur country has in that area....really surprises me..... we all know that US is doing NOTHING to STOP this WAR>>.and u know waht....because its ISRAEL!!!!!!! But if this war was from ONLY muslim countries....US surely would INVADE them to SAVE THE COUNTRY....right?

[Ana4Stapp]

And bilal.... I really consider your pointsasx very interesting and corrects ....u expressed my thoughts too..... congrats man...

[Chase]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ana4Stapp)

Hey actualy my life is a mess rite now...so i was trying to stay away from this discussion....but of course I CANT kep this 'neutral poisition'-lol and I need to say that this discussion is very interesting....but some things are realy disturbing me A LO!!!!!

First... I cant believe Chase is still seeing History from one perspective(AND THIS IS WRONG as a history student u know its condened ok?).....I mean from patriotism....trying to justify every single action of US as a GOOd AND MERCIFUL ACT....

Dont u think that US is acting as the same violent methods that the terorists use? They kileld 6000 in september 11 ....tell me how many died in Iraq, Afeganisthan and Lebanon?

You realy think tht US has noting to do with this Lebanon genocide? And hey hey im not defending Hezbollah actions....at all....but ignoring the interest that ur country has in that area....really surprises me..... we all know that US is doing NOTHING to STOP this WAR>>.and u know waht....because its ISRAEL!!!!!!! But if this war was from ONLY muslim countries....US surely would INVADE them to SAVE THE COUNTRY....right?

The United States military does not advocate suicide bombings that target innocent civilians. The United States government doesn't advocate terrorist tactics. Are you mad?

It's amazing that you're demonizing the United States, Great Britain, Israel, and the rest of the countries who are dedicated to the abolishment of terrorism. Sure, it's bad that they respond to terrorism... but it's not bad that Brits (of Pakistani descent) and Pakistani terrorists were involved in trying to blow up multitudes of innocent travelers.

There wouldn't be war in the Middle East if Al Qaeda and other extremist groups could co-exist with people who are different from them.

[Chase]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ana4Stapp)

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Oh MY GOD!!!

lol I'm surprised you're not saying "Allah o Akbar!"

[Ana4Stapp]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Chase)

The United States military does not advocate suicide bombings that target innocent civilians. The United States government doesn't advocate terrorist tactics. Are you mad?

It's amazing that you're demonizing the United States, Great Britain, Israel, and the rest of the countries who are dedicated to the abolishment of terrorism. Sure, it's bad that they respond to terrorism... but it's not bad that Brits (of Pakistani descent) and Pakistani terrorists were involved in trying to blow up multitudes of innocent travelers.

There wouldn't be war in the Middle East if Al Qaeda and other extremist groups could co-exist with people who are different from them.

No ..my friend....you are the one demonizing muslim world ...but its not a surprise since you follow Bush's steps ....

[Chase]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ana4Stapp)

No ..my friend....you are the one demonizing muslim world ...but its not a surprise since you follow Bush's steps ....

How am I demonizing the Muslim world? Oh, because I take offense to men killing innocent people in the name of their god? If that's your definition of demonization of the Muslim world then yes... I'm guilty. I have nothing but respect for the Arab world... but I will condemn terrorists to Hell for the rest of my life. Watching my fellow Americans jump out of the World Trade Center, while burning, on the television, is not something that sat well with me. Nor does hearing about how Islamic extremists wanted to blow up 9 or 10airplanes carrying innocent people. Hmmmmmm... call me crazy... but that, to me, is a very sickening ideology. I'm not following anyone's footsteps because I'm the one doing my own stepping.

[bilal]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Chase)

How am I demonizing the Muslim world? Oh, because I take offense to men killing innocent people in the name of their god? If that's your definition of demonization of the Muslim world then yes... I'm guilty. I have nothing but respect for the Arab world... but I will condemn terrorists to Hell for the rest of my life. Watching my fellow Americans jump out of the World Trade Center, while burning, on the television, is not something that sat well with me. Nor does hearing about how Islamic extremists wanted to blow up 9 or 10airplanes carrying innocent people. Hmmmmmm... call me crazy... but that, to me, is a very sickening ideology. I'm not following anyone's footsteps because I'm the one doing my own stepping.

Chase..... may be you dont get it at all..... so i am just using your own recipe to answer you....may be you will see how obsurd you sound ......here .. i have just changed your own reply into mine.......

Quote: (Originally Posted by originaly posted by you but i have swiched your senitments with mine, using your own words)

How am I demonizing the USA? Oh, because I take offense to men killing innocent people in the name of democracy/WMD/ national security/ Libration/ occupation? If that's your definition of demonization of the USA then yes... I'm guilty. I have nothing but respect for the Americans.. but I will condemn them to Hell for the rest of my life. Watching my fellow Muslims jump out of their house, killed in thier homes, bombed cause of no reason, killed and humiliated cause of being Arabs and muslims, sucked in refugees camps on theri own lands, and all this on the television, is not something that sat well with me. Nor does hearing about how USA wanted to blow up Iran or Iraq or Lebnon or Syria or Pakistan. Hmmmmmm... call me crazy... but that, to me, is a very sickening ideology. I'm not following anyone's footsteps because I'm the one doing my own stepping

you see ...just by switching your sentiments with mine , using your own words, .....well......how am i sounding like?....almost threatening....right...... like a terrorist warning..... i hope bro that just for once you will try to portray your own self in my position, you keep crying about your 9-11, but why dont you realise for once that for us, Muslims all over the world, there is a 9-11 every day, we open each day's newpaper to get another 9-11 for us, i see my people burning, my mothers getting raped, my kids dying and losing theri lives each day,,, EACH DAY!!!...... if you have been deeply wounded by your 9-11 , and if you know the pain, then how can you tollerate my PAIN, my emotions, my anger, my sentiments..... and this is all i am asking you to realise...i wont advocate that muslims all over the world should react in the same way the USA did, i mean...we have our own 9-11's of each day, may be we should respond in the same way USA did for its 9-11, but this is something i am against.....cause i dont apporve of the WAY USA has reacted to 9-11, but atleast Chase, just for once realise what comes out of your mouth, and ttry to be justified justonce.

[Chase]

Quote: (Originally Posted by bilal)

Chase..... may be you dont get it at all..... so i am just using your own recipe to answer you....may be you will see how obsurd you sound ......here .. i have just changed your own reply into mine.......





you see ...just by switching your sentiments with mine , using your own words, .....well......how am i sounding like?....almost threatening....right...... like a terrorist warning..... i hope bro that just for once you will try to portray your own self in my position, you keep crying about your 9-11, but why dont you realise for once that for us, Muslims all over the world, there is a 9-11 every day, we open each day's newpaper to get another 9-11 for us, i see my people burning, my mothers getting raped, my kids dying and losing theri lives each day,,, EACH DAY!!!...... if you have been deeply wounded by your 9-11 , and if you know the pain, then how can you tollerate my PAIN, my emotions, my anger, my sentiments..... and this is all i am asking you to realise...i wont advocate that muslims all over the world should react in the same way the USA did, i mean...we have our own 9-11's of each day, may be we should respond in the same way USA did for its 9-11, but this is something i am against.....cause i dont apporve of the WAY USA has reacted to 9-11, but atleast Chase, just for once realise what comes out of your mouth, and ttry to be justified justonce.

Oh... so because you feel that you have a 9/11 everyday... it's justified to try to kill as many Americans as one can in an attack? Gotcha. It's not my fault that an insane Sunni targets innocent Kurds and Shia in Iraq. It's not my fault that Israel is retaliating against Hamas and Hezbollah terrorists in Palestine and Lebanon. It's not my fault. 9/11 happened prior to the war in Iraq. It happened prior to the war in Afghanistan. What did Americans do to deserve to be attacked by Al Qaeda? What did innocent Britons do to deserve to die on the subway? What did innocent Spaniards do to deserve to die at the hands of Islamic extremists? NOTHING. Terrorism is never jusitified. TARGETING innocent people isn't justified. The United States and Great Britain don't plot to kill as many innocent civilians as they can. Al Qaeda does. So the next time you sit there and try to taint those two nations as evil infidels... you remember that they will never tolerate this sort of twisted. Islamic-bred fascism. They will continue to fight for freedom and democracy.

[bilal]

then continue my friend.....and let your favourite contry and favourite people keep doing what they are doing at the moment.... if that is what you really believe deep inside and not just what you want to force yourself to believe....... if you think your favourite people are doing every thing right.....to solve hatred...and that their actions are actaully reducing terrrorism ........and that my 9-11s dont mean a shit to you....... then i wont stop you from advocating your mind...... thats your right........ but then ...there will always be people like me..... if you will be sitting in the parliment doing your diplomicy...then there will be people like me who will prefer to march and protest in the streets against war and killing.....and latter in the night trying to escape faliure and regrets by taking drugs and runing naked in our ecstacy......... and there are infact people like you, me, inbetwwen...... all i tried in this thread was just one thing....to help you see from different perspectives........so that you can make the decision, when the time comes, not just in blind patriotism...but the one that might be hard on yourself...but for the benifit of many.......i just tired to help you see my view......and in this process...i learned a lot from you...thank you very much....but if you are not ready to just even see my view now....then its ok...i wont force you any further.... but i wont waste my energy with a person who is never responding to my views but only comes up with same repeatative blaming and more blaming ...... and keeps his window shut.......


i respect all the views of Eusibio, who has astonished me beyound what i expected with his truth, i respect ana for her true libral views....and i respect Metalchris for being the most open minded person i've came accross ever........and thank you chase.....

[Chase]

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then continue my friend.....and let your favourite contry and favourite people keep doing what they are doing at the moment.... if that is what you really believe deep inside and not just what you want to force yourself to believe....... if you think your favourite people are doing every thing right.....to solve hatred...and that their actions are actaully reducing terrrorism ........and that my 9-11s dont mean a shit to you....... then i wont stop you from advocating your mind...... thats your right........ but then ...there will always be people like me..... if you will be sitting in the parliment doing your diplomicy...then there will be people like me who will prefer to march and protest in the streets against war and killing.....and latter in the night trying to escape faliure and regrets by taking drugs and runing naked in our ecstacy......... and there are infact people like you, me, inbetwwen...... all i tried in this thread was just one thing....to help you see from different perspectives........so that you can make the decision, when the time comes, not just in blind patriotism...but the one that might be hard on yourself...but for the benifit of many.......i just tired to help you see my view......and in this process...i learned a lot from you...thank you very much....but if you are not ready to just even see my view now....then its ok...i wont force you any further.... but i wont waste my energy with a person who is never responding to my views but only comes up with same repeatative blaming and more blaming ...... and keeps his window shut.......


i respect all the views of Eusibio, who has astonished me beyound what i expected with his truth, i respect ana for her true libral views....and i respect Metalchris for being the most open minded person i've came accross ever........and thank you chase.....

I've repeatedly told you that I respect you. However, how am I supposed to respond to someone who accused me a "crying" about my 9/11... as if it wasn't a tragic event? What you did, was try to minimize the deaths of innocent people in America because you have a problem with my nation's government. You need to learn how to draw a distinction between people and politics. The deaths of innocent people is horribly sad, regardless of who it is. Hearing about dead, innocent, Lebanese people breaks my heart. Hearing about dead, innocent Palestinians does also. Like I said... watching the events in New York, Madrid, and London have really gave me a litany of emotions. Anger, sadness, disgust, etc. It bothers me that people will actually target innocent people... and that's exactly what groups like Al Qaeda are doing. Terrorists tried to blow up planes carrying INNOCENT PEOPLE. Why? What did those people do to them? If they have a problem with the governments of Britain and America... at least try to attack military targets. Leave the innocent out of this. We don't make the legislation.

You can't defend the actions of Al Zarqawi or Osama bin Laden. They haven't acted in self-defense. They've acted out of pure hatred for everything the Western world stands for. They've killed all sorts of people... most of whom don't have ties to a government. This is what's wrong with this world. This is why the Middle East is being sucked into the past.

[Unforgiven Fan]

black is white and white is black and the shades of grey grow infinitivley...both sides of this conflict are on the path of suicide...both sides can blame each other but its only blame and not thought, understanding, revelations, and action. You have a religon that allows power-hungry people to corrupt and destroy lives and a society-ecomony that allows power hungry people to corrupt and destroy lives...both sides are wrong...both sides need to change, one more than the other but change in the thought process is needed...or this "conflict" will not have a good ending...