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Old 03-18-2006, 04:19 PM   #16
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Quote: (Originally Posted by Ana4Stapp) WHAT? I mean...besides war...are you advocating dictatorship as a solution?

I was pointing that you and Chase seem to agree that protest are unessentials, and I suggested that you two could try a dictatorial experience...because theres no permission to protest in this situation...so you'll probably enjoy this kind of governement

Oh, yes protest should be honored. My point is that these protesters are playing the same old song.
The general public can get tired of the same protest no matter how legitimate there point might be.
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Old 03-18-2006, 04:19 PM   #17
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Re: Protests planned for Iraq war's third anniversary

Quote: (Originally Posted by Chase) Watch these videos and see how intolerant and violent some of the "peace-loving" protesters can get. They don't accept other people's voice or opinions... so how can they expect people to accept their's.

in the same way that you the radical conservative guys dont accept other opinions..
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Old 03-18-2006, 04:21 PM   #18
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Re: Protests planned for Iraq war's third anniversary

Quote: (Originally Posted by eusebioCBR) Oh, yes protest should be honored. My point is that these protesters are playing the same old song.
The general public can get tired of the same protest no matter how legitimate there point might be.

maybe one of these days someone pay attention to this ...
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Old 03-18-2006, 04:46 PM   #19
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Re: Protests planned for Iraq war's third anniversary

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ana4Stapp) Its amazing the way you like changing my words here...when YOU were the one who said that protests are fake ...why? because they are AGAINST your president foreign policy that invaded a COUNTRY three years ago and still doesnt have any solution to Iraq situation...and dont say that you are winning this war...

Protest is trendy? Or war is trendy? I chose to say that PEACE is trendy!!

I never said that these "protests are fake." I merely said that a lot of people involved in them don't know why they're protesting and are doing it just because it's a trendy thing to do. When you start comparing Americans to Nazis... you lose all legitimacy. I mean... just because you're upset that Saddam Hussein is sitting in a prison cell and is being tried by the same Iraqis that he persecuted doesn't mean that you should be upset at me.
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Old 03-18-2006, 05:00 PM   #20
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Re: Protests planned for Iraq war's third anniversary

Quote: (Originally Posted by Chase) I never said that these "protests are fake." I merely said that a lot of people involved in them don't know why they're protesting and are doing it just because it's a trendy thing to do. When you start comparing Americans to Nazis... you lose all legitimacy. I mean... just because you're upset that Saddam Hussein is sitting in a prison cell and is being tried by the same Iraqis that he persecuted doesn't mean that you should be upset at me.

Again you are accusing me in defending Saddam? Again? You could at least change your words ...try something new...lol

Seriously I can recognize that few people can participate in a protest without enough knowledge of the issue...but its not even a reason to despise protest...
Anyway you were the one who defended the freedom of speech about cartoons ...so why are u condening the people who are expressing their opinion about war?



And believe me: Im not upset at you...
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Old 03-19-2006, 11:34 AM   #21
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Re: Protests planned for Iraq war's third anniversary

Some (sad) numbers from IBC (Iraq Body Count) about violent deaths (average) in Iraq since the beginning of the war:

year 1- 20
year 2- 31
year 3- 36

By the way who said that situation in Iraq is stable now that Saddam Hussein is in a prison cell?
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Old 03-19-2006, 04:40 PM   #22
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Re: Protests planned for Iraq war's third anniversary

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ana4Stapp) Some (sad) numbers from IBC (Iraq Body Count) about violent deaths (average) in Iraq since the beginning of the war:

year 1- 20
year 2- 31
year 3- 36

By the way who said that situation in Iraq is stable now that Saddam Hussein is in a prison cell?


I never said that Iraq was stable... but I do recognize that you can't fix Iraq overnight. I'm optimistic and I believe that it's wrong to think that Iraqis are better off in the hands of a man who brutally abused them in every way.
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Old 03-19-2006, 04:49 PM   #23
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Re: Protests planned for Iraq war's third anniversary

Quote: (Originally Posted by Chase) I never said that Iraq was stable... but I do recognize that you can't fix Iraq overnight. I'm optimistic and I believe that it's wrong to think that Iraqis are better off in the hands of a man who brutally abused them in every way.

I never said that that person was you... but anyway...recognize that US didnt expect that this war could take so much time ...the allies lost the control in Iraq...theres a civil war right now...prove that you are intelligent and admit this...

and I wont comment the final part of your post cause I said it LOTS of times...
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Old 03-19-2006, 06:57 PM   #24
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Quote: (Originally Posted by Ana4Stapp) I never said that that person was you... but anyway...recognize that US didnt expect that this war could take so much time ...the allies lost the control in Iraq...theres a civil war right now...prove that you are intelligent and admit this...

and I wont comment the final part of your post cause I said it LOTS of times...

If these people never wanted to live together, you can't force them too. Look at the Czechs and Slovaks and all of the ethnic states in the former Yugoslavia. If the Kurds want their own country... they have every right to pursue that avenue. Look, to be honest... I'm not a nihilist like you. I chose to be optimistic and I believe that these people will end up happier than when they were under the rule of Saddam Hussein. If each ethnic faction wants their own independent state... they have every right to go that route. I think the worst thing to do is to force these people live together if they refuse to live in peace with one and aother. At least allow them to separate themselves before their discrimination turns into bloody anarchy.
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Old 03-19-2006, 06:59 PM   #25
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Re: Protests planned for Iraq war's third anniversary

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ana4Stapp) Again you are accusing me in defending Saddam? Again? You could at least change your words ...try something new...lol

Seriously I can recognize that few people can participate in a protest without enough knowledge of the issue...but its not even a reason to despise protest...
Anyway you were the one who defended the freedom of speech about cartoons ...so why are u condening the people who are expressing their opinion about war?



And believe me: Im not upset at you...
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I never said I was against protests. That's part of a free and democratic society. That's one thing Iraqis were never allowed to do. They would be executed if they protested Saddam Hussein. I just think it's funny to protest something you know nothing about.
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Old 03-19-2006, 07:40 PM   #26
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Re: Protests planned for Iraq war's third anniversary

Quote: (Originally Posted by Chase) If these people never wanted to live together, you can't force them too. Look at the Czechs and Slovaks and all of the ethnic states in the former Yugoslavia. If the Kurds want their own country... they have every right to pursue that avenue. Look, to be honest... I'm not a nihilist like you. I chose to be optimistic and I believe that these people will end up happier than when they were under the rule of Saddam Hussein. If each ethnic faction wants their own independent state... they have every right to go that route. I think the worst thing to do is to force these people live together if they refuse to live in peace with one and aother. At least allow them to separate themselves before their discrimination turns into bloody anarchy.


Well...its your country that is forcing them to live together...not mine (so you dont need to convince me of this.)and while your president and his allies dont recognize this necessity and consequently keep trying to hide the real situation in Iraq, the civil war will get worse and worse...the allies simply lost the control in Iraq's territory...

and ...Im not a nihilist...
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Old 03-19-2006, 07:42 PM   #27
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Re: Protests planned for Iraq war's third anniversary

Quote: (Originally Posted by Chase) I never said I was against protests. That's part of a free and democratic society. That's one thing Iraqis were never allowed to do. They would be executed if they protested Saddam Hussein. I just think it's funny to protest something you know nothing about.

So why 'protest the protesters' as you said before in your first post here?
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Old 03-19-2006, 10:40 PM   #28
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Quote: (Originally Posted by Ana4Stapp) So why 'protest the protesters' as you said before in your first post here?

Because I have every right to protest their position.
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Old 03-19-2006, 10:49 PM   #29
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Re: Protests planned for Iraq war's third anniversary

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ana4Stapp) Well...its your country that is forcing them to live together...not mine (so you dont need to convince me of this.)and while your president and his allies dont recognize this necessity and consequently keep trying to hide the real situation in Iraq, the civil war will get worse and worse...the allies simply lost the control in Iraq's territory...

and ...Im not a nihilist...

You sound like a nihilist. Nothing optimistic ever comes out of your mouth regarding any issue that deals with America. We're not forcing them to stay together. It's probably still better overall for them to be a united country. I mean, the United Kingdom is a stronger country than Ireland... is it not? Nobody is trying to "hide the real situation." Anyone with half a brain can see what's going on in Iraq.
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Re: Protests planned for Iraq war's third anniversary

Quote: (Originally Posted by Chase) You sound like a nihilist. Nothing optimistic ever comes out of your mouth regarding any issue that deals with America. We're not forcing them to stay together. It's probably still better overall for them to be a united country. I mean, the United Kingdom is a stronger country than Ireland... is it not? Nobody is trying to "hide the real situation." Anyone with half a brain can see what's going on in Iraq.


And you sound like a blind patriot that thinks that everybody who thinks different from your point of view hate America. I never said that...please stop try putting these kind of word in my mouth...

I really dont understand you because you seem to have two conflitant opinions here:

in the first post you said its better to Iraq numerous ethnics groups to split up:

Quote: (Originally Posted by Chase) If each ethnic faction wants their own independent state... they have every right to go that route. I think the worst thing to do is to force these people live together if they refuse to live in peace with one and aother.

And now you said that is better to keep it together:

Quote: (Originally Posted by Chase) It's probably still better overall for them to be a united country. ..


So... whats your real position? I didnt know that your ideas could change so fast...
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