Protests planned for Iraq war's third anniversary

[Ana4Stapp]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Chase)

Nobody is trying to "hide the real situation." Anyone with half a brain can see what's going on in Iraq.

Yeah...A CIVIL WAR!!!!!!!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4821618.stm

Iraq in civil war, says former PM

[Ana4Stapp]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Chase)

Because I have every right to protest their position.

Well... so I hope you arent protesting it just because its trendy....

[Chase]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ana4Stapp)

Well... so I hope you arent protesting it just because its trendy....

It's not trendy if you know why you're protesting.

[Chase]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ana4Stapp)

Yeah...A CIVIL WAR!!!!!!!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4821618.stm

Iraq in civil war, says former PM

Holy hell, if people were trying to hide that... it would be extremely hard for you to get that information.

[Ana4Stapp]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Chase)

Holy hell, if people were trying to hide that... it would be extremely hard for you to get that information.

Your president is trying to hide this:

The Bush administration says Iraq is not in a civil war

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/me...ary/index.html

[Chase]

A major reason why they're saying that Iraq isn't in a civil war yet is because much of the attacks are still in a centralized part of the country. It isn't that widespread. For there to be a civil war... they believe that you would full scale fighting and attacks in the Kurdish region, the Shiite region, and the Sunni region. It's just the centralized larger cities in the center of the country where it's densely populated... which is a big reason why these terrorists are attacking there. In addition, for it to be an actual civil war... you would have more internal fighting amongst the Iraqis of different ethnicities. Instead what you have is a coalition of occupying forces trying to rebuild the country and maintain the peace and foreign terrorists who are being funded by foreign governments or terror organizations. A very significant number of the insurgency is composed of foreign fighters. In fact, the most wanted terrorist in Iraq is Jordanian. Yes, Iraq is a war zone... is it strictly civil war? I don't think so. The only glimpses of a civil war are when the Iraqi military or police combat strictly Iraqi militant groups. Other than that, one should be able to recognize that this is bigger than the nation of Iraq when you have so much funding being sent in from foreign sources.

[Ana4Stapp]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Chase)

A major reason why they're saying that Iraq isn't in a civil war yet is because much of the attacks are still in a centralized part of the country. It isn't that widespread. For there to be a civil war... they believe that you would full scale fighting and attacks in the Kurdish region, the Shiite region, and the Sunni region. It's just the centralized larger cities in the center of the country where it's densely populated... which is a big reason why these terrorists are attacking there. In addition, for it to be an actual civil war... you would have more internal fighting amongst the Iraqis of different ethnicities. Instead what you have is a coalition of occupying forces trying to rebuild the country and maintain the peace and foreign terrorists who are being funded by foreign governments or terror organizations. A very significant number of the insurgency is composed of foreign fighters. In fact, the most wanted terrorist in Iraq is Jordanian. Yes, Iraq is a war zone... is it strictly civil war? I don't think so. The only glimpses of a civil war are when the Iraqi military or police combat strictly Iraqi militant groups. Other than that, one should be able to recognize that this is bigger than the nation of Iraq when you have so much funding being sent in from foreign sources.

What more is necessary to recognize its a civil war? Allies are losing the control in Iraq...its obvious.

[Ana4Stapp]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4826754.stm


Bush says that Iraqis in some areas still face "savage" acts of violence...but isnt a civil war, right?

[Ana4Stapp]

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS...raq/index.html


He also sees signs of 'progress'...anyone else???

[uncertaindrumer]

Ya know, I am quite agaisnt this war, but sometimes I wish I wasn't, because I am so sick of people using it to paint America as a devil. I'm sure France would have loved it if we kept our devils out of Normandy in 1944. Sure Germany would have too.

[Chase]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ana4Stapp)

What more is necessary to recognize its a civil war? Allies are losing the control in Iraq...its obvious.

Do you even know what a civil war is? A civil war is a war in which parties within the same country or empire struggle for national control of state power. There is no doubt that this is going on to an extent amongst the Kurds, Shiites, and Sunnis... but the larger conflict is between coalition/Iraqi soldiers against a strong foreign born insugency. How is that a civil war?

[Chase]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ana4Stapp)

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS...raq/index.html


He also sees signs of 'progress'...anyone else???

Yes, a lot people see signs of progress... and that includes Iraqis. You just refuse to put you anti-American stubborness aside to give any credit to the Iraqis, Americans, Brits, Australians, Italians, Poles, and the rest of the coalition.

[Chase]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ana4Stapp)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4826754.stm


Bush says that Iraqis in some areas still face "savage" acts of violence...but isnt a civil war, right?

Violence doesn't equal civil war. Do you have any concept of what a civil war is? These savage acts of violence are from a great deal of people who aren't Iraqis.

[Ana4Stapp]

Quote: (Originally Posted by uncertaindrumer)

Ya know, I am quite agaisnt this war, but sometimes I wish I wasn't, because I am so sick of people using it to paint America as a devil. I'm sure France would have loved it if we kept our devils out of Normandy in 1944. Sure Germany would have too.

I dont know whats happening with your posts...they usually had some meaning...but now all I can see is the same discourse "the world hates America". C'mon...it feels well with Chase's conservative ideas...but with yours...

[Ana4Stapp]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Chase)

Violence doesn't equal civil war. Do you have any concept of what a civil war is? These savage acts of violence are from a great deal of people who aren't Iraqis.

I think that YOU are the one who doenst know what a civil war is...Look , its not only me saying this:
former Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad Allawi told the BBC. "If this is not civil war, then God knows what civil war is."