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Old 01-16-2003, 07:17 PM   #61
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Mr CF TN, you did a great job imagining the concert. When I walked away, that was all I could think. I hope he is ok. I was scared to think what he could do next. I was very afraid for him. I sat the last few songs in the hall. I could simply not watch.

Like I said, I'm over this. But I really think it is one thing to self destruct (for that night), but it is another to take your problems out on others (thousands), which is what I feel happened to us.

I really think deep down he is sorry. That's the man he has shown himself to be through many interviews. But I expect no apology. It would be nice, but I don't see it possible. And I see many new threads and complaints coming when tomorrow is over.
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Old 01-16-2003, 08:17 PM   #62
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Thank you for those people like Dogstar and Mr.CreedFreak TN for having a heart and compassion for the band!!! Who is Velocityidp to judge anyways? Someday we all will be judged and that is not going to change anything! It seems to me pointless to continue this converstation with Velocityidp anymore, no matter what any one says he is not willing to take off his blinders on his eyes!!!! Man, are you a lawyer or something, or just argumentative all the time, I feel bad for your friends who don't agree with every whim of yours, it is a great effort to converse with you.
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Old 01-16-2003, 11:06 PM   #63
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Quote: Thank you for those people like Dogstar and Mr.CreedFreak TN for having a heart and compassion for the band!!! Who is Velocityidp to judge anyways?
So in other words, I have no compassion for the band... right. If you'll allow me a little pat on the back, I think I've done a whole lot more than you to "show some compassion."

As for "judging" them... give me a break. Do you agree what Scott did was 100% wrong? I can empathize with him and understand his human falliability, but none of it precludes him from doing the right thing.

Right is right no matter who, what, when, where or how.


Quote: It seems to me pointless to continue this converstation with Velocityidp anymore, no matter what any one says he is not willing to take off his blinders on his eyes!!!! Man, are you a lawyer or something, or just argumentative all the time
I tend to think everything I've said is very reasonable. I also tend to think some of you have blinders on, unable to criticize Scott simply because he's Scott and he might be having personal problems. While his personal struggles should be taken into account in this issue, he still must take responsibility. You guys are lowering the expectation of decency for him so low that anything will be acceptable to you.

As for me being argumentative, that's fine if you think that way. Just don't exclude yourself. You're participating too.

Quote: Man, are you a lawyer or something, or just argumentative all the time, I feel bad for your friends who don't agree with every whim of yours, it is a great effort to converse with you.
Yes, I'm quite the evil guy I suppose. I'm not a laywer, but I am an engineer. Hold any preconceptions of me that you want, but I've been very respectful, reasonable and patient with you all. I have strong opinions that I feel are very logical and consistent, and I'm not afraid to discuss and debate them.
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Old 01-16-2003, 11:25 PM   #64
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Can I have your attention please??

I, the crowned QUEEN of holding a grudge, do hereby relinquish my crown and my throne to velocityidp. He has proven he is by far, a better grudge-holder than I could EVER be!! Here is your crown, wear it well.
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Old 01-16-2003, 11:32 PM   #65
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Oh brother... that argument might work if I'm still talking about this months from now. Let me remind you that this event only occured 2 weeks ago, and Scott is going to be talking on Chicago radio tomorrow.

I think you're confusing a "grudge" with discussion of current news.

But, of course, none of it matters, because evil Mr. velocityidp isn't constantly praising Scott Stapp, and is holding him to the standards of (gasp!) minimal common decency!
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Old 01-16-2003, 11:33 PM   #66
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Thanks for your opinion. Have a good night.
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Old 01-16-2003, 11:41 PM   #67
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Quote: Originally posted by velocityidp
<b>Oh brother... that argument might work if I'm still talking about this a month from now. Let me remind you that this event only occured 2 weeks ago, and Scott is going to be talking on Chicago radio tomorrow.

I think you're confusing a "grudge" with discussion of current news.

But, of course, none of it matters, because evil Mr. velocityidp isn't constantly praising Scott Stapp, and is holding him to the standards of (gasp!) minimal common decency! </b>


It's actually closer to 3 weeks...but anyway...
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Old 01-16-2003, 11:42 PM   #68
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Yes, sleep is good. We'll see what happens tomorrow. I hope someone posts the interview online somewhere soon.

Anyway, I'm going to listen to some live Torn @ house of blues... which is soooo much better than the crappy CD version
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Old 01-16-2003, 11:54 PM   #69
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:snooze: at this thread
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Old 01-17-2003, 12:06 AM   #70
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Velocity's monotony is putting me to sleep :snooze:
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Old 01-17-2003, 12:13 AM   #71
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hey dogstar..thanx for seeing my point....maybe this thread has been going on too long but velocity is starting to seem cute in his determination for a moral resolution...

is there anyway we could bury this dead horse now?????
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Old 01-17-2003, 12:20 AM   #72
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Crest tattoo ,I just feel that if we all stick together and fight the good fight, some good will come out of this situation. They're music is almost spiritual to me , it fills my soul, it lifts me , put's me in good spirits, I don't know if they read these boards, but I post my thought's in the event they do. They need to know that we Creed fans understand , and we support them.
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Old 01-17-2003, 12:21 AM   #73
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Hey, this sounds good, it rhymes: velocity's monotony, velocity's monotony..... :lol:
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Old 01-17-2003, 01:36 AM   #74
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Quote: Originally posted by goddess_bb
hey dogstar..thanx for seeing my point....maybe this thread has been going on too long but velocity is starting to seem cute in his determination for a moral resolution...

is there anyway we could bury this dead horse now?????



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Old 01-17-2003, 09:02 AM   #75
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So when is Scott on?
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