Heaven at all? - Page 2

StappsSaviour · 06-06-2003, 12:51 AM

like u said strubs, i did do it like i was talkin to my best mate, in actual fact i was talking 4 so long that i almost forget to say amen!!!
i said alot, and i mean alot on only 4 diff things
life after death???
we get reborn
u see, i believe in Evolution as well as other things
but the one thing that i dont believe in is GOD!!!
and srry if i av offened any1 by sayin that but that is just me

StrubesGuitar · 06-06-2003, 05:46 PM

Well, u did make a good point about the reborn and life after death thing. Life after death is again, a faith issue. Being reborn is more a renewing of the mind, the Bible uses many similes and metaphors. There is actually a whole passage in the Bible devoted to being reborn. Jesus says it's a giving birth of the Spirit. I know that's confusing, but it's basically a renewing of the mind. Why don't u believe in God? U didn't just pray to no one for however long u did. Ask God to reveal himself to you. He will in time. Ask and you shall receive, knock and the door will be opened to you. He's waiting behind that door, just knock on it.

MrSeeker · 06-07-2003, 03:01 PM

"Seek and ye shall find"

DangerousDan85 · 06-08-2003, 07:45 PM

bueno gusto

StappsSaviour · 06-09-2003, 12:14 AM

u ask y i dnt believe in god???
wot proof of His being is there?
u may say that u av to believe in him first but how can i believe wen i see no reason to???
that is a rhehetorical question, if u dnt get it...

mel!ssa · 06-09-2003, 01:42 AM

i think he's just asking, why did you pray to him for so long if you don't even believe in him. I'm not saying that's wrong or anything, just i think that's what he's asking.

Don't apologise, you haven't offended anyone. Stating your opinion, what you believe, isn't an offence! It's just that SOME people get offended if what you believe isn't the same as what they believe... (no-one here!)

Me, I believe that there is a heaven, where God and Jesus and the angels live, where a select few go to after death. I don't believe there is a hell (show me that scripture that says there must be a hell...) and I believe that when we die, we lie in the ground and decompose and know nothing, no separate part of us flies off to live somewhere else, we just lie there and do nothing...until God decides sometime in the future that we can live on the earth again.

StrubesGuitar · 06-09-2003, 11:24 PM

THAT'S REINCARNATION! If you believe in the Bible, you have to believe there is a hell, cause the Bible says there is hell. In Psalms 9:17, 16:10, 18:5, Proverbs 15:24, 23:14, Isaiah 14:15
Ezekiel 31:16-17, 32:21,27, Matthew 5:29, 16:18, 18:9, 23:33, Mark 9:43-47, Revelation 6:8, 20:13-14. In actuality, when we die, if we believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, we will be saved and go to heaven:that is what we are promised. But if we don't we go to hell and burn and toil FOREVER. Of course our bodies rot in the ground forever, but our spirits are lifted to heaven to dwell w/HIM FOREVER! So just check it out. And i love that movie! : "By the way...thanks for the free parking!"

mysacrifice411 · 06-09-2003, 11:57 PM

I think it's just a matter between you and God. If you pray with real intent, with faith that you will receive an answer, and your mind isn't full of doubt, I'm very confident you will receive an answer. I think you should also read the Bible (or as much as possible), and decide if you believe it, and if not, why not?

Sometimes people can be quite pessimistic (and with all the crap in the world, I can't say I blame them.). They often look at the world and say, "What evidence is there for me to believe in God?" But I say, "What evidence is there for me NOT to believe in God?" There seems to be too many coincidences for me to believe we are left on our own.... Just ask, and you will receive.

JulieCitySlicker · 06-09-2003, 11:58 PM

I believe there is a heaven and a hell. In the bible hell is discribed as a firey pit and those who deny God will end up there

creedfan47a · 06-23-2003, 01:37 AM

Quote: Originally posted by StrubesGuitar
<b>THAT'S REINCARNATION! If you believe in the Bible, you have to believe there is a hell, cause the Bible says there is hell. In Psalms 9:17, 16:10, 18:5, Proverbs 15:24, 23:14, Isaiah 14:15
Ezekiel 31:16-17, 32:21,27, Matthew 5:29, 16:18, 18:9, 23:33, Mark 9:43-47, Revelation 6:8, 20:13-14. In actuality, when we die, if we believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, we will be saved and go to heaven:that is what we are promised. But if we don't we go to hell and burn and toil FOREVER. Of course our bodies rot in the ground forever, but our spirits are lifted to heaven to dwell w/HIM FOREVER! So just check it out. And i love that movie! : "By the way...thanks for the free parking!" </b>

Mel!ssa was not talking about reincarnation (I know, she's my sister). She's talking about resurrection - being brought back to life by God, not being brought back as another living being, but as yourself. The Bible does not say there is a hell. There is no fiery pit that bad people burn in forever.

Like Melissa, I don't believe that all good people (or, their spirits) go to heaven, nor do bad people, or their spirits, go to hell.

creedgirl99 · 06-23-2003, 03:24 PM

I agree....if you don't mind me asking-what religion are you? (If you don't want to say here you don't have to....)

creedfan47a · 06-23-2003, 07:50 PM

It's okay, I answered your PM.

StrubesGuitar · 06-23-2003, 10:29 PM

Ok, in the end there's no such thing as "good" and "bad" people, it's saved and non-saved. What religion ARE you???? All those references say hell and refer to THE hell.

creedfan47a · 06-23-2003, 10:36 PM

Well, what religion are you??

StrubesGuitar · 06-25-2003, 11:00 PM

I am a Christian, didn't u check those references? That's what i asked u.

06-06-2003, 05:46 PM	#17
StrubesGuitar USER INFO » Status: Silence Speaks Posts: 73 Joined: Jun 2003 Currently: Offline	Well, u did make a good point about the reborn and life after death thing. Life after death is again, a faith issue. Being reborn is more a renewing of the mind, the Bible uses many similes and metaphors. There is actually a whole passage in the Bible devoted to being reborn. Jesus says it's a giving birth of the Spirit. I know that's confusing, but it's basically a renewing of the mind. Why don't u believe in God? U didn't just pray to no one for however long u did. Ask God to reveal himself to you. He will in time. Ask and you shall receive, knock and the door will be opened to you. He's waiting behind that door, just knock on it. __________________ "What If your words could judged like a crime?" "What consumes your thoughts controls your life" BBBBBBBAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSS!

06-09-2003, 01:42 AM	#21
mel!ssa USER INFO » Status: A Melody Posts: 386 Joined: Mar 2003 Currently: Offline	i think he's just asking, why did you pray to him for so long if you don't even believe in him. I'm not saying that's wrong or anything, just i think that's what he's asking. Don't apologise, you haven't offended anyone. Stating your opinion, what you believe, isn't an offence! It's just that SOME people get offended if what you believe isn't the same as what they believe... (no-one here!) Me, I believe that there is a heaven, where God and Jesus and the angels live, where a select few go to after death. I don't believe there is a hell (show me that scripture that says there must be a hell...) and I believe that when we die, we lie in the ground and decompose and know nothing, no separate part of us flies off to live somewhere else, we just lie there and do nothing...until God decides sometime in the future that we can live on the earth again. __________________ "I planted, Apollos watered, but God kept making it grow."

06-09-2003, 11:24 PM	#22
StrubesGuitar USER INFO » Status: Silence Speaks Posts: 73 Joined: Jun 2003 Currently: Offline	THAT'S REINCARNATION! If you believe in the Bible, you have to believe there is a hell, cause the Bible says there is hell. In Psalms 9:17, 16:10, 18:5, Proverbs 15:24, 23:14, Isaiah 14:15 Ezekiel 31:16-17, 32:21,27, Matthew 5:29, 16:18, 18:9, 23:33, Mark 9:43-47, Revelation 6:8, 20:13-14. In actuality, when we die, if we believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, we will be saved and go to heaven:that is what we are promised. But if we don't we go to hell and burn and toil FOREVER. Of course our bodies rot in the ground forever, but our spirits are lifted to heaven to dwell w/HIM FOREVER! So just check it out. And i love that movie! : "By the way...thanks for the free parking!" __________________ "What If your words could judged like a crime?" "What consumes your thoughts controls your life" BBBBBBBAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSS!

06-09-2003, 11:57 PM	#23
mysacrifice411 USER INFO » Status: Misconception Posts: 81 Joined: Jun 2003 Currently: Offline	I think it's just a matter between you and God. If you pray with real intent, with faith that you will receive an answer, and your mind isn't full of doubt, I'm very confident you will receive an answer. I think you should also read the Bible (or as much as possible), and decide if you believe it, and if not, why not? Sometimes people can be quite pessimistic (and with all the crap in the world, I can't say I blame them.). They often look at the world and say, "What evidence is there for me to believe in God?" But I say, "What evidence is there for me NOT to believe in God?" There seems to be too many coincidences for me to believe we are left on our own.... Just ask, and you will receive. __________________ ------------------------------------------ "Ignoring a loss of sight, Afraid to blink: I might lose the sun..." --Chevelle, "Don't Fake This" "It feels so good to reunite, Within yourself and within your mind. Let's find peace there..." --Creed, "My Sacrifice"

06-09-2003, 11:58 PM	#24
JulieCitySlicker USER INFO » Status: Taken Higher Posts: 15,310 Joined: Oct 2002 Currently: Offline	I believe there is a heaven and a hell. In the bible hell is discribed as a firey pit and those who deny God will end up there __________________ Oh I'm a wandering soul I'm still walking the line that leads me home alone All I know I still got mountains to climb on my own Enough To Let Me Go-Switchfoot

06-23-2003, 01:37 AM	#25
creedfan47a USER INFO » Status: Brother of Mine Posts: 6,507 Joined: Nov 2002 Currently: Offline	Quote: Originally posted by StrubesGuitar <b>THAT'S REINCARNATION! If you believe in the Bible, you have to believe there is a hell, cause the Bible says there is hell. In Psalms 9:17, 16:10, 18:5, Proverbs 15:24, 23:14, Isaiah 14:15 Ezekiel 31:16-17, 32:21,27, Matthew 5:29, 16:18, 18:9, 23:33, Mark 9:43-47, Revelation 6:8, 20:13-14. In actuality, when we die, if we believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, we will be saved and go to heaven:that is what we are promised. But if we don't we go to hell and burn and toil FOREVER. Of course our bodies rot in the ground forever, but our spirits are lifted to heaven to dwell w/HIM FOREVER! So just check it out. And i love that movie! : "By the way...thanks for the free parking!" </b> Mel!ssa was not talking about reincarnation (I know, she's my sister). She's talking about resurrection - being brought back to life by God, not being brought back as another living being, but as yourself. The Bible does not say there is a hell. There is no fiery pit that bad people burn in forever. Like Melissa, I don't believe that all good people (or, their spirits) go to heaven, nor do bad people, or their spirits, go to hell. __________________ Married my man in November 2004 ...

06-23-2003, 03:24 PM	#26
creedgirl99 USER INFO » Status: Freedom Fighter Posts: 2,377 Joined: Nov 2002 Currently: Offline	I agree....if you don't mind me asking-what religion are you? (If you don't want to say here you don't have to....) __________________ The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love and be loved in return.

06-23-2003, 07:50 PM	#27
creedfan47a USER INFO » Status: Brother of Mine Posts: 6,507 Joined: Nov 2002 Currently: Offline	It's okay, I answered your PM. __________________ Married my man in November 2004 ...

06-23-2003, 10:29 PM	#28
StrubesGuitar USER INFO » Status: Silence Speaks Posts: 73 Joined: Jun 2003 Currently: Offline	Ok, in the end there's no such thing as "good" and "bad" people, it's saved and non-saved. What religion ARE you???? All those references say hell and refer to THE hell. __________________ "What If your words could judged like a crime?" "What consumes your thoughts controls your life" BBBBBBBAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSS!

06-23-2003, 10:36 PM	#29
creedfan47a USER INFO » Status: Brother of Mine Posts: 6,507 Joined: Nov 2002 Currently: Offline	Well, what religion are you?? __________________ Married my man in November 2004 ...

06-25-2003, 11:00 PM	#30
StrubesGuitar USER INFO » Status: Silence Speaks Posts: 73 Joined: Jun 2003 Currently: Offline	I am a Christian, didn't u check those references? That's what i asked u. __________________ "What If your words could judged like a crime?" "What consumes your thoughts controls your life" BBBBBBBAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSS!

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