Bush!

[RoffeDH]

Your intiteled to you opinion Julie :P
I accepte you apolagie :P

[uncertaindrumer]

Wow. No one really dealt with any of RMadd's (very good) points.

[Ana4Stapp]

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The U.S. lost it between WWI and WWII.

I think YOU lost it somewhere long the way...

And Ana, I told you, I had had too much orange soda... but still, the United States going democratic did hasten the democracy of the rest of the world. But of course Roffe wants communistic countries where millions are murdered

I think the orange soda is still making some effect here...lol

[Ana4Stapp]

[quote=Chase]

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Everyone around the world is entitled to their opinions regarding the politics of the United States of America

Thanks for your support, thats why I really respect your opinions here.

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However, EVERYTHING that you accused America and President Bush of being shows the complete lack of knowledge that judgemental Europeans have. I think that most of the blame should lie with the European media... who is OVERWHELMINGLY anti-American.

Well...Im not european, dont even live in Europe but I want to clarify that my point is not against Bush personally...or against AMERICAN PEOPLE. Iam not attacking your president just to make fun of him...but I think waht we non american members here are saying is that we are against Bush foreign policy. You know its kinda weird support a leader of a country that has so much power, technology and money that insists in a war...
I know you are going to reply saying sometimes war is necessary, but try at least to think about a world that already had two big world wars ...and lived under the terryfing but real possibility of having the third one...

You really think terrorism can be stopped with war? Really? Attacking Afeghanistan or Iraq (even though Sadam clearly was a terrible stupid guy who had no mercy or compassion for his own people -being responsible of killing a lot of children).

Also, think about the american soldiers who are dying every day since the war started...

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I'll reiterate what Uncertain was saying... the United States since 1776 has been primarily a force of good on the international level. France was the first country really influenced by the United State's policies and from there, multiple nations adopted the idea of democracy... the ability to allow their citizens to elect their leaders.

And yes, US had an important role in the democracy in XVIII and XIX century specially concerning to the latin american independencies that means an huge influence in every emancipacionist movement latin american had. (my country included), and by the way I teach it to my students and when they usually ask 'why we have to study US independency'? I answer them the reason: US (13 british colonies) was the first to fight for the independence against the british tirany, to fight for freedom agaisnt the exploitation Britain imposed to them after the Seven years war to recover economy damaged by the conflict...
and US independency was special because it had people involved in it.

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No that oil now? Not the United States... the Kuwaitis. American foreign policy isn't imperialistic... and it hasn't been since about 100 years.

I'll ask you one thing, Chase...you have knowledge about US foreign policy to Latin american countries in the 60's and 70'? Jusk ask u that.

[JulieCitySlicker]

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Your intiteled to you opinion Julie :P
I accepte you apolagie :P

Thanks

[Ana4Stapp]

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in an interesting twist, our democracy (as well as, presumably, every other free state) permits her to have such an opinion. Who said she could do that? Why, our democratic government did! Brilliant!

Ok...but I cant have mine...hun? It seems the opposite of democracy...

[Chase]

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That's just the fucking dumbest thing anyone has ever said... EVER!!! By bombing Iraq and stealing its oil he has affected the world economy. The whole world is suffering from Bush mistakes, so think before you open your mouth next time, will ya?

"Stealing its oil." Wow... bold statement from someone who has NO PROOF. You keep making accusation after accusation without providing any proof. I don't know if its a Swedish thing... because reading these posts makes it appear that Swedes are a nation of radicals. So what you're essentially saying is: Afghanistan is better off with Al Qaeda and the Taliban... and Iraq is better off with Saddam Hussein mass murdering innocent people. I really, really hope that this doesn't reflect the government of Sweden... because if that's the case... then that entire country should be ashamed of itself.

[Chase]

American foreign policy regarding Latin American nations during the 1960s and 1970s? Like the Cuban Missile Crisis and the spread of communism in Latin America?

[Ana4Stapp]

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American foreign policy regarding Latin American nations during the 1960s and 1970s? Like the Cuban Missile Crisis and the spread of communism in Latin America?

Supporting the dictatorial governements (that by the way were responsible for a lot of murdering and torture all over the Latin American for decades)... what means banishing governors who were ellected by the people ...is this democracy?

[RMadd]

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RMadd, pleas press "enter" some times!

my apologies for having extensive thoughts all within the same vein. i guess that's just how i learned to write.

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And RMadd I hate the euro! And thankefully we don't have it! We CAN shop with it at bigger places, and the companies do buissnues with the euro. But we still have kroners thank god! Now why do I hate it? It will make the stepp to a "new america" closer (United States of Europe), no thanks!

very very true... it's funny you should mention that name. last semester, in my Polysci Int'l Relations class we read excerpts from a book by T.R. Reid titled "The United States of Europe" (followed by the obligatory long-winded explanation of the clause within the title itself). pretty interesting actually. i guess the big thing our teacher had us read was the example of GE-Honeywell exec Jack Welch & how the EU blocked some product of his from being sold in Europe (or something to that effect) and how the EU is rapidly gaining ground on the US (an idea which i don't so much mind, b/c it kinda sucks more or less having to be the global policeman, but getting hit with sh** from everyone when our level of policing is lesser than desired)

[RMadd]

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Ok...but I cant have mine...hun? It seems the opposite of democracy...

now you get it! democracy is relative, so opinions don't matter, b/c the majority of people are dead-set in their beliefs on a few key issues that dominate politics! that's why i now feel that political parties (in particular, the 2-party system of the US) is a crock.

[RoffeDH]

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I mean Vietnam? Why did you go to war there? To test some new wepons? (A brief history lesson: The French started the war (I think it was them) and they couldn't win so thwy terned to USA and said "here take over!" and USA said "YEAH! Now we can finaly test ournew wepons!" so they did)

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I'm guessing your joking when you're saying that I want millions to be murdered becous I'm almoste a commie... To answere if you weren't joking: NO I don't! I just don't want the bounderies between the poor and the rich to be this great! Thats it!

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Now to my defense of the thing I said about the unemployment system in america... YES! You have... But how good is it? Seriusly! If I'm poor and break a leg, have no job... What should I do, I can't likely pay of both the medicalbill and the rent to my appartment with that sallery... That's what I'm talking 'bout, correct me if I'm wrong but don't you have to have an incuranse or the doctors arn't alowed to operate on you, Right?

Anyone! Pleas respond to me on thees points...?

RMadd, got it But It would healp anyway :P

[RMadd]

Ummm, I don't think Vietnam was about testing weapons. That's a terribly cynical view to possess. IMO, Vietnam was about stopping the spread of Communism. Or at least that's what I've learned in the various classes I've had that have touched on 'Nam. We'd been involved there since the 1950s (when the French were trying to control it) with covert operatives, but really took over in the mid-to-late '60s. We saw a free state (South Vietnam), albeit led by a questionable fella, faced with the danger of being overrun by a communist dictatorship (North Vietnam). Given our desire throughout the Cold War to stop the spread of communism at any potential flashpoints, it made sense to go in. Unfortunately, the military was, more or less, still expecting and prepared for a war more similar to WWII & Korea. Guerilla warfare simply wasn't our "thing" at the time. Furthermore, the war was essentially a stalemate until the US chose to leave, in large part due to negative public opinion here (this had a huge effect on soldier morale).

I really don't know what to say w/ regard to your second point.

I think we don't have an unemployment or health care system like y'alls because were not a socialist democracy. Technically speaking, we're a republic, in which people elect representatives to make decisions for them (one of these decisions, of course, is to not socialize too much aside from Social Security). For whatever reason, our "status" has been blurred to be a democracy, although we're hardly identical to Athens (which can be considered to be the archetypical democracy).

[Ana4Stapp]

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now you get it! democracy is relative, so opinions don't matter, b/c the majority of people are dead-set in their beliefs on a few key issues that dominate politics! that's why i now feel that political parties (in particular, the 2-party system of the US) is a crock.

Yeah...democracy is relative, you know... even in Athens democracy wasnt for all...

[Ana4Stapp]

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Supporting the dictatorial governements (that by the way were responsible for a lot of murdering and torture all over the Latin American for decades)... what means banishing governors who were ellected by the people ...is this democracy?

Humm...NO REPLIES? Is this a VERY HARD] question ????