what do have you do to get to heaven? - Page 2

JulieCitySlicker · 03-24-2003, 03:02 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Wadrick
goodgirl - god says that nothing will seoerate us form his love. He also says that no one can snatch them (the saved ones) out of his hand.

That means that once we are saved, he cannot loose out salvation. nothing can seperate us from the love that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. I cant remember where the bible says that but it is there. That means that we cant loose our salvation.

Yes I do believe that nothing can separate us from God...but we can separate ourselves from Him if we choose to turn from His ways and not follow the path His set before us. What I am trying to say is that if a person accepts Christ and doesn't change his or her ways but goes on like it didn't happen than I think God sets certain standars for that. He still loves us but if we deny Him than He will deny us before His Father in Heaven

JulieCitySlicker · 03-24-2003, 03:06 PM

God looks at our hearts. He knows all and sees all before it even happens. He judges us by what is inside of us...our feelings,thoughts, what we believe

JulieCitySlicker · 03-24-2003, 03:07 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JulieLovesCreed
God looks at our hearts. He knows all and sees all before it even happens. He judges us by what is inside of us...our feelings,thoughts, what we believeand how we act in this life.

03-24-2003, 08:14 PM

i agree with all that. but god says that nothing even ourselfves can seperate us from the love that is in christ jesus our savior. that love is his free gift of salvation. btw, do you have any scripture that makes you think that we can loos our salvation?

JulieCitySlicker · 03-25-2003, 12:10 PM

All I am trying to say is that we all sin...right

We need Jesus's forgiveness to be free from it. Well, If we do not ask for forgiveness and repent for what we do than how can He forgive. I kno He would like to do it on His own free will but I kno it doesn't work that way. His love and forgiveness are both unconditional but we have to want it to

jango · 03-25-2003, 03:51 PM

Slip the man a fin at the pearly gates...

Dogstar · 03-25-2003, 04:50 PM

Quote: Originally posted by jango
Slip the man a fin at the pearly gates...

:lol: :lol:

Siana · 03-25-2003, 06:18 PM

Lady Valkyrie · 04-07-2003, 12:52 AM

This is a Calvinistic debate of the "Once saved always saved" point. Personally I am not a Calvinist... not in the least. And noone will ever sway me to the Calvinistic side either.

I do so hate that phrase "lose your salvation" for no you cannot "lose" salvation as you "lose" a set of car keys.

A more appropriate phrase is that "you can CHOOSE to WALK AWAY from salvation." One can certainly choose to hold a set of car keys in the palm of their hand and CHOOSE to LAY them down on a table and WALK AWAY from them.

One can accept Jesus Christ into their heart as their Lord and Savior and then they can also choose to walk away from that very same Savior.

04-07-2003, 11:11 AM

nothing including us can seperate us from god. Romans 8:38 and 39.

we cannot walk away from it. if we do, you cannot loose it, you cannot forfeit it, it is yours forever.

Lady Valkyrie · 04-07-2003, 11:24 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Wadrick
nothing including us can seperate us from god. Romans 8:38 and 39.

we cannot walk away from it. if we do, you cannot loose it, you cannot forfeit it, it is yours forever.

So if in 1991 I became a christian and in 1997 I became a Wiccan am I still saved? Do I still have salvation?

04-08-2003, 12:14 PM

yes you are still saved. although god is not happy that you have sought some other religion, he still have your name written in the book of life.

now, Lady Valkyrie, I am not direction this at you. this is just something that i think is happening.

I thknk that people get "loosing salvation" and loosing fellowship with God" mixed up. you can loose your fellowship with God, by doing something like becoming Wiccan. but you cannot loose your savlation over it.

does that make sense? I hope so.

JulieCitySlicker · 04-08-2003, 11:06 PM

I'm sorry but I dissagree

04-09-2003, 03:21 PM

why do you disagree? what verses in the bible say that you can loose your salvation?

JulieCitySlicker · 04-09-2003, 04:51 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Wadrick
<b>yes you are still saved. although god is not happy that you have sought some other religion, he still have your name written in the book of life.

now, Lady Valkyrie, I am not direction this at you. this is just something that i think is happening.

I thknk that people get "loosing salvation" and loosing fellowship with God" mixed up. you can loose your fellowship with God, by doing something like becoming Wiccan. but you cannot loose your savlation over it.

does that make sense? I hope so. </b>

So what you are saying is that if someone becomes a christian and then the next day they sell their soul to the devil that they are still a christian

I mean Hey, they were a christian first

03-24-2003, 03:02 PM	#16
JulieCitySlicker USER INFO » Status: Taken Higher Posts: 15,310 Joined: Oct 2002 Currently: Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Wadrick goodgirl - god says that nothing will seoerate us form his love. He also says that no one can snatch them (the saved ones) out of his hand. That means that once we are saved, he cannot loose out salvation. nothing can seperate us from the love that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. I cant remember where the bible says that but it is there. That means that we cant loose our salvation. Yes I do believe that nothing can separate us from God...but we can separate ourselves from Him if we choose to turn from His ways and not follow the path His set before us. What I am trying to say is that if a person accepts Christ and doesn't change his or her ways but goes on like it didn't happen than I think God sets certain standars for that. He still loves us but if we deny Him than He will deny us before His Father in Heaven __________________ Oh I'm a wandering soul I'm still walking the line that leads me home alone All I know I still got mountains to climb on my own Enough To Let Me Go-Switchfoot

03-24-2003, 03:06 PM	#17
JulieCitySlicker USER INFO » Status: Taken Higher Posts: 15,310 Joined: Oct 2002 Currently: Offline	God looks at our hearts. He knows all and sees all before it even happens. He judges us by what is inside of us...our feelings,thoughts, what we believe __________________ Oh I'm a wandering soul I'm still walking the line that leads me home alone All I know I still got mountains to climb on my own Enough To Let Me Go-Switchfoot

03-24-2003, 03:07 PM	#18
JulieCitySlicker USER INFO » Status: Taken Higher Posts: 15,310 Joined: Oct 2002 Currently: Offline	Quote: Originally posted by JulieLovesCreed God looks at our hearts. He knows all and sees all before it even happens. He judges us by what is inside of us...our feelings,thoughts, what we believeand how we act in this life. __________________ Oh I'm a wandering soul I'm still walking the line that leads me home alone All I know I still got mountains to climb on my own Enough To Let Me Go-Switchfoot

03-24-2003, 08:14 PM	#19
Wadrick USER INFO » Posts: n/a Currently:	i agree with all that. but god says that nothing even ourselfves can seperate us from the love that is in christ jesus our savior. that love is his free gift of salvation. btw, do you have any scripture that makes you think that we can loos our salvation?
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03-25-2003, 12:10 PM	#20
JulieCitySlicker USER INFO » Status: Taken Higher Posts: 15,310 Joined: Oct 2002 Currently: Offline	All I am trying to say is that we all sin...right We need Jesus's forgiveness to be free from it. Well, If we do not ask for forgiveness and repent for what we do than how can He forgive. I kno He would like to do it on His own free will but I kno it doesn't work that way. His love and forgiveness are both unconditional but we have to want it to __________________ Oh I'm a wandering soul I'm still walking the line that leads me home alone All I know I still got mountains to climb on my own Enough To Let Me Go-Switchfoot

03-25-2003, 03:51 PM	#21
jango USER INFO » Status: Faceless Fan Posts: 460 Joined: Sep 2002 Currently: Offline	Slip the man a fin at the pearly gates... __________________ "Nineteen hundred and forty-six. Nineteen forty-six, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works."

03-25-2003, 04:50 PM	#22
Dogstar Forum Diplomat USER INFO » Status: Young Grown Old Posts: 21,345 Joined: Sep 2002 Currently: Offline	Quote: Originally posted by jango Slip the man a fin at the pearly gates... :lol: :lol: __________________ Silly monkeys give them thumbs they make a club and beat their brother down. How they survive so misguided is a mystery.

04-07-2003, 11:11 AM	#25
Wadrick USER INFO » Posts: n/a Currently:	nothing including us can seperate us from god. Romans 8:38 and 39. we cannot walk away from it. if we do, you cannot loose it, you cannot forfeit it, it is yours forever.
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04-08-2003, 12:14 PM	#27
Wadrick USER INFO » Posts: n/a Currently:	yes you are still saved. although god is not happy that you have sought some other religion, he still have your name written in the book of life. now, Lady Valkyrie, I am not direction this at you. this is just something that i think is happening. I thknk that people get "loosing salvation" and loosing fellowship with God" mixed up. you can loose your fellowship with God, by doing something like becoming Wiccan. but you cannot loose your savlation over it. does that make sense? I hope so.
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04-08-2003, 11:06 PM	#28
JulieCitySlicker USER INFO » Status: Taken Higher Posts: 15,310 Joined: Oct 2002 Currently: Offline	I'm sorry but I dissagree __________________ Oh I'm a wandering soul I'm still walking the line that leads me home alone All I know I still got mountains to climb on my own Enough To Let Me Go-Switchfoot

04-09-2003, 03:21 PM	#29
Wadrick USER INFO » Posts: n/a Currently:	why do you disagree? what verses in the bible say that you can loose your salvation?
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04-09-2003, 04:51 PM	#30
JulieCitySlicker USER INFO » Status: Taken Higher Posts: 15,310 Joined: Oct 2002 Currently: Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Wadrick <b>yes you are still saved. although god is not happy that you have sought some other religion, he still have your name written in the book of life. now, Lady Valkyrie, I am not direction this at you. this is just something that i think is happening. I thknk that people get "loosing salvation" and loosing fellowship with God" mixed up. you can loose your fellowship with God, by doing something like becoming Wiccan. but you cannot loose your savlation over it. does that make sense? I hope so. </b> So what you are saying is that if someone becomes a christian and then the next day they sell their soul to the devil that they are still a christian I mean Hey, they were a christian first __________________ Oh I'm a wandering soul I'm still walking the line that leads me home alone All I know I still got mountains to climb on my own Enough To Let Me Go-Switchfoot

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