Scott Stapp's Chicago Explaination... survey - Page 3

Sheila63 · 07-26-2003, 05:22 PM

All right, I'll say it "He screwed up." My point is that alot of people screw up. Alot of other singers/groups/musicians have screwed up more than this and has anything happened to them?!!! I also understand that he, like everyone else, is human and we all make mistakes.

velocityidp · 07-26-2003, 05:35 PM

I agree he's human and he (like me) makes mistakes. I was able to live with that until the latest comment, though. He's made 4 "mistakes" now, and it looks like a pattern of either denial or sinister motives:

Mistake #1: Getting drunk and/or high in front of fans during a concert they paid for

Mistake #2: Not refunding tickets or doing a make-up show

Mistake #3: Blowing off fans' concerns with the JHMP "Part of Rock-n-Roll History!" comment.

Mistake #4: Scott's "It was all just artistic expression. The fans just don't get it..." comment.

I agree that other bands have done some pretty bad things and have not been sued. I've already said I don't agree with the lawsuit from a legal standpoint.

Creed, and Stapp in particular has done wrong to its fans too many times in this whole mess. Forgiveness is a Godly virtue, but forgiveness must be *asked for* before it can be given. He has not asked for it -- he's just trying to make excuses for his continuing poor and disrespectful behavior.

I really hope he is able to apologize at some point in time, because I *will* forgive him. I guess we'll all know the real truth once the legal proceedings take place and we are able to view the video of the performance.

-Nicholas

JenRN · 07-26-2003, 06:58 PM

If this case actually makes it to court it proves how pathetic our judicial system has really gotten!

Give me a freaking break!

Dogstar · 07-26-2003, 07:26 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JenRN
If this case actually makes it to court it proves how pathetic our judicial system has really gotten!  Give me a freaking break!

DITTO!

Sheila63 · 07-26-2003, 08:07 PM

Double Ditto!!

Higher_Desire · 07-26-2003, 09:24 PM

I agree with his explanation, but I don't really agree with the way he decided to "express himself." There was probably a better way to express himself. I am a CreedFeed and will stand by Creed.

H-D

Higher_Desire · 07-26-2003, 09:25 PM

PS - Why can't we drop this issue and get on with our lives?

H-D

SCOTTSMYMAN · 07-26-2003, 09:31 PM

I second that!

velocityidp · 07-26-2003, 10:03 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Higher_Desire
PS - Why can't we drop this issue and get on with our lives?

H-D

Deal with reality, guys

07-26-2003, 10:55 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Higher_Desire
[b]PS - Why can't we drop this issue and get on with our lives?

Exactly, neither side is going to convince the other to change their opinions on this so why keep arguing/discussing it?

velocityidp · 07-26-2003, 10:57 PM

Cuz this is a discussion board.

If everyone thought the same, this would be a very boring world.

07-26-2003, 11:36 PM

I'm not saying everyone should think the same, but its been 7 months since the concert, and everyone know what the others feel about it, it only fuels arguments, at least on the other boards I go to.

One thing about this board, for the most part, people are more civil here to each other about their opinions.

Dogstar · 07-26-2003, 11:43 PM

Well, unfortunately, Scott Stapp's comments stoked the embers of an apparently still-burning fans' ire.

Higher_Desire · 07-27-2003, 12:22 AM

I didn't mean just us when I posted that. I mean everyone who attended the show who are still complaining about it too. No one will change their mind on their stance; not the supporters, not the discenters, not Creed themselves. There's no use posting another thread about it, or trying to win the court battle.

H-D

lisamariekikker · 07-27-2003, 01:07 AM

I would like you to find me one person who was satisfied with the Chicago concert-I myself am agaist the law suit,however,the concert was....disappointing! Scott was impared-I was there-1st row to the side-I know some want to see it with their own eyes-understandable-I saw it with my own eyes-I was scared for him

07-26-2003, 05:22 PM	#31
Sheila63 USER INFO » Status: Opened My Eyes Posts: 5,748 Joined: Dec 2002 Currently: Offline	All right, I'll say it "He screwed up." My point is that alot of people screw up. Alot of other singers/groups/musicians have screwed up more than this and has anything happened to them?!!! I also understand that he, like everyone else, is human and we all make mistakes. __________________ I was selfish, but you still loved me You gave the greatest gift of all And you set me free Relearn Love

07-26-2003, 06:58 PM	#33
JenRN USER INFO » Status: Tree of Wisdom Posts: 7,519 Joined: Oct 2002 Currently: Offline	If this case actually makes it to court it proves how pathetic our judicial system has really gotten! Give me a freaking break! __________________ "I don't want to know emptiness, take me down to the water wanna be baptized in your love far away from the lonliness, take my heart and wash away the fear let me be baptized in your love" ~Lenny Kravitz "Baptized"

07-26-2003, 07:26 PM	#34
Dogstar Forum Diplomat USER INFO » Status: Young Grown Old Posts: 21,345 Joined: Sep 2002 Currently: Offline	Quote: Originally posted by JenRN If this case actually makes it to court it proves how pathetic our judicial system has really gotten!  Give me a freaking break! DITTO! __________________ Silly monkeys give them thumbs they make a club and beat their brother down. How they survive so misguided is a mystery.

07-26-2003, 08:07 PM	#35
Sheila63 USER INFO » Status: Opened My Eyes Posts: 5,748 Joined: Dec 2002 Currently: Offline	Double Ditto!! __________________ I was selfish, but you still loved me You gave the greatest gift of all And you set me free Relearn Love

07-26-2003, 09:24 PM	#36
Higher_Desire USER INFO » Status: Found Peace Posts: 8,631 Joined: Apr 2003 Currently: Offline	I agree with his explanation, but I don't really agree with the way he decided to "express himself." There was probably a better way to express himself. I am a CreedFeed and will stand by Creed. H-D __________________ Today I'm gonna try a little harder Gonna make every minute last longer Gonna learn to forgive and forget 'Cause we don't have long Gonna make the most of it Today I'm gonna love my enemies Reach out to somebody who needs me Make a change, make the world a better place 'Cause tomorrow could be one day too late --lyrics from "One Day Too Late" by Skillet from their new album "Awake"

07-26-2003, 09:25 PM	#37
Higher_Desire USER INFO » Status: Found Peace Posts: 8,631 Joined: Apr 2003 Currently: Offline	PS - Why can't we drop this issue and get on with our lives? H-D __________________ Today I'm gonna try a little harder Gonna make every minute last longer Gonna learn to forgive and forget 'Cause we don't have long Gonna make the most of it Today I'm gonna love my enemies Reach out to somebody who needs me Make a change, make the world a better place 'Cause tomorrow could be one day too late --lyrics from "One Day Too Late" by Skillet from their new album "Awake"

07-26-2003, 10:55 PM	#40
farmgirl USER INFO » Posts: n/a Currently:	[quote]Originally posted by Higher_Desire [b]PS - Why can't we drop this issue and get on with our lives? Exactly, neither side is going to convince the other to change their opinions on this so why keep arguing/discussing it?
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07-26-2003, 11:36 PM	#42
farmgirl USER INFO » Posts: n/a Currently:	I'm not saying everyone should think the same, but its been 7 months since the concert, and everyone know what the others feel about it, it only fuels arguments, at least on the other boards I go to. One thing about this board, for the most part, people are more civil here to each other about their opinions.
farmgirl USER INFO » Posts: n/a Currently:

07-26-2003, 11:43 PM	#43
Dogstar Forum Diplomat USER INFO » Status: Young Grown Old Posts: 21,345 Joined: Sep 2002 Currently: Offline	Well, unfortunately, Scott Stapp's comments stoked the embers of an apparently still-burning fans' ire. __________________ Silly monkeys give them thumbs they make a club and beat their brother down. How they survive so misguided is a mystery.

07-27-2003, 12:22 AM	#44
Higher_Desire USER INFO » Status: Found Peace Posts: 8,631 Joined: Apr 2003 Currently: Offline	I didn't mean just us when I posted that. I mean everyone who attended the show who are still complaining about it too. No one will change their mind on their stance; not the supporters, not the discenters, not Creed themselves. There's no use posting another thread about it, or trying to win the court battle. H-D __________________ Today I'm gonna try a little harder Gonna make every minute last longer Gonna learn to forgive and forget 'Cause we don't have long Gonna make the most of it Today I'm gonna love my enemies Reach out to somebody who needs me Make a change, make the world a better place 'Cause tomorrow could be one day too late --lyrics from "One Day Too Late" by Skillet from their new album "Awake"

07-27-2003, 01:07 AM	#45
lisamariekikker USER INFO » Status: Silence Speaks Posts: 52 Joined: Jul 2003 Currently: Offline	I would like you to find me one person who was satisfied with the Chicago concert-I myself am agaist the law suit,however,the concert was....disappointing! Scott was impared-I was there-1st row to the side-I know some want to see it with their own eyes-understandable-I saw it with my own eyes-I was scared for him __________________

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