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03-25-2006, 05:13 PM | #31 |
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Re: Homosexuality Is Result Of Genes, Brain Structure, Hormones, Contradicts fundies.....
Do any of you know what hormones are?
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Re: Homosexuality Is Result Of Genes, Brain Structure, Hormones, Contradicts fundies.....
First off I was actually having this conversation at work last night, and what I believe is you do make the choice, if you were born homosexual then that would affect free will, which is what God intended for us, I can't believe for one second God would have a child born with that trait and to suffer like that, I believe it is choice just like it is to choose to worship the Lord.
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Amen. But the problem here is that not everyone on this forum believes that God exists. |
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well your idea of free will is flawed there because I don't recall having the choice to be male or female or having the choice of haveing blue eyes or brown or anything like that.... who is to say that one choses their sexuality then? I mean I have know people that from the first time I met them (around the age of 4-5 they have liked the same sex and they do to this day. its not a controlled studay mind you, its just an obsevation. why is it so hard ot believe that one could be born homosexual? does it really warp your faith that much? hell I can recall a time when it was considered sinful (not to mention ilegal) for a white woman to marry a black man but this has changed. Christianity was used to enforce american slavery with the argument that the bible says its ok and comands slaves to obey their masters, hte bible also has rules for owners of slaves regarding their treatment. so is slavery wrong? you tell me since you are the christian.
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Well the decision of your gender, eye color, hair color, skin color is alot different than your sexuality, no you dont have the choice of what you want to be, because it is determined by God (And also by chromosomes and genes) But that decision isnt the same as sexuality, God would not want someone to live the sinful life of a homosexual, man and woman was created for a reason, I still believe it is a choice on your sexuality, it is something you can determine for yourself. As for you knowing a friend at the age of 4 or 5 admitting to homosexuality, I honestly dont believe it, but it still has the possibility of it being true determining on what kind of enviroment he grew up around, but I highly doubt a child of that young of age would even know, mainly because a child of that young doesnt have fully developed hormones.
Also about the slavery issue, I cant honestly tell you because I havent read the Bible, and I dont fully understand it, but times are different now and people dont use it to try and keep black people as slaves, I would actually have to read a passage in the Bible about slavery because I have never heard about that. |
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crap, cant edit
Anyway here's what i found out about slavery and it was definatley taken out of context during the slavery times in the US. |
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Again, amen. And also, in the Bible, Lunar Shadow (pardon me, I still don't know your real name) where does it say that having blue eyes, or blonde hair, etc is a sin? (not to mention height, weight, shoulder breadth, metabolism, breast/genital size) Nowhere I know of. And, methinks, nowhere you know of, either. Yet the Bible does plainly name homosexuality as a sin and strictly condems it. It is then you who are in error, because, even if Theism is a fantasy, you failed to take into consideration the laws of that fantasy before arguing against its laws. Free will refers to the way you act and behave and, ultimatly, live your life. Also, you can't hold any individual responsible or accountable for previous Christians sins. At least, not without accusing all Christians of being identicle (which is obviously not plausible, when considering all the different denominations and cults). And, as I remember, you corrected me of that same mistake in atheists/evolutionists/uniformatarionists,etc. Last edited by SecretWeapon : 03-26-2006 at 09:11 PM. |
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Re: Homosexuality Is Result Of Genes, Brain Structure, Hormones, Contradicts fundies.....
interesting i,ll get back on this topic you guys must learn a lot from each other from fighting so much,
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Also about the slavery issue, I cant honestly tell you because I havent read the Bible, and I dont fully understand it, but times are different now and people dont use it to try and keep black people as slaves, I would actually have to read a passage in the Bible about slavery because I have never heard about that. so if all that is decided by what you call genes and god then why is it so hard to actually concvie that the same is true for homosexuality? you say you believe that homosexuality is a chioce. Well I could sit here and believe that the earth is flat it doen't make it so. is there any scientific reasearch in to proving that homosexuality is only a choice? if so where is it please do present it I would love to see the method for the conclusion aside from saying "god and the bible says its bad" try actually arguing with facts rather than an acient book of myth because it is rather tiresome
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And also, in the Bible, Lunar Shadow (pardon me, I still don't know your real name) where does it say that having blue eyes, or blonde hair, etc is a sin? (not to mention height, weight, shoulder breadth, metabolism, breast/genital size) Nowhere I know of. And, methinks, nowhere you know of, either. Yet the Bible does plainly name homosexuality as a sin and strictly condems it. are in error, because, even if Theism is a fantasy, you failed to take into consideration the laws of that fantasy before arguing against its laws. Free will refers to the way you act and behave and, ultimatly, live your life. for previous Christians sins. At least, not without accusing all Christians of being identicle (which is obviously not plausible, when considering all the different denominations and cults). And, as I remember, you corrected me of that same mistake in atheists/evolutionists/uniformatarionists,etc.
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Re: Homosexuality Is Result Of Genes, Brain Structure, Hormones, Contradicts fundies.....
like i posted before most are Grounded in the fact in relgion and what the bible teaches on Homosexualtiy Being Wrong And A Sin they cant get past that fact and nothing else will change their mind its a long shot but it does make sense if i could bring it to light TRADITON OF THE ELDERS, From The New Tes what i get out of it christ was preaching to these people who were GROUNDED by the LAW OF MOSES, Matt 15.and go on down to verse 8 lets just go to 9 k But In Vain do They worship me teaching for doctrines the comandments of Men
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Re: Homosexuality Is Result Of Genes, Brain Structure, Hormones, Contradicts fundies.....
you know what?
I just realized something rocketqueen and it is your post that did it..... secretweapon, uncirtain, and anyone else arguing for chistianity in this thread are commiting fallacy the appeal to authority and or the appeal to tradition. this is all been a waste of time because you are not arguing from facts you are arguing from faith.
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Re: Homosexuality Is Result Of Genes, Brain Structure, Hormones, Contradicts fundies.....
thank you im glad i made you realize more for your Discussion and your point and your agurments im not one to convert you but i do believe a lot of what your saying man you study well i dont which does not make a prime canadate for this thread or how ever you spell canadate but it does,nt stop me from putting in my 2 cents i really think it would like really really be a waste of time if you stopped discussion what you believe in
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Do any of you know what hormones are?
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Re: Homosexuality Is Result Of Genes, Brain Structure, Hormones, Contradicts fundies.....
Ok, before you go off here's what I pulled up.
Now my main thing is that if a person comes from a straight family, (And Im talking about they are 100% straight, not pretending to be straight due to society) and that person turns out to be gay. I cant see that being genetics because genetics would have to be something that was in the family. And it does happen that way. And it has also happened to where people who considered themselves homosexual chose to be hetrosexual and actually stopped there homosexual behavior (And without hiding) |
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