Defining Creed's musical genre.... survey

[Lechium]

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Originally posted by velocityidp
<b>So you're saying all bands that conform to the "hard rock sound" are sellouts? If your music attracts large crowds, you're a sellout? If your music is on the radio, you're a sellout pop artist?

Good grief, man, get back to reality. Musicians are not just some strange breed of people that merrily go about life not worrying about making money. Any serious musician -- even classical musicians -- want to make as much money as possible from their profession. We're not living in some dreamy wonderland. </b>

I think you misunderstand word "conform".
When band changes their sound into a more commercial direction -- that's conforming.

p.s. not sure about "as much money as possible" clause thou. Mozart was poor to the point that he was buried in a commons grave. Some try to make as much money as they can, some are fine with just decent income.

[velocityidp]

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Originally posted by Lechium
<b>I think you misunderstand word "conform".
When band changes their sound into a more commercial direction -- that's conforming.</b>

I think you misunderstood that I was talking about "conforming" as is "conforming to the 'hard-rock sound.'" There's a difference.

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Mozart was poor to the point that he was buried in a commons grave.

Mozart made a fortune but squandered it all. He lived in splendor until his personal deamons caught up with him. I kind of understand your point but he's a bad example.

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Some try to make as much money as they can, some are fine with just decent income.

Right. But you're saying the ones that want to make a lot of money are "sellouts." That's not necessarily true.

[Lechium]

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Originally posted by velocityidp
<b>I think you misunderstood that I was talking about "conforming" as is "conforming to the 'hard-rock sound.'" There's a difference.</b>

I was talking about conforiming to radio standarts, mtv and pop culture. As in changing what band originally was after it had got a record deal. Happens all the time.

[Unforgiven Fan]

well sometimes they change there sound because they, themselves, changed from all the things going on around them and not nessarly trying to embrace one or the other to sell more.

[JulieCitySlicker]

I agree Unforgiven Fan Very good point:P

[Rune]

I think it really differs from song to song...

I mean you've got epic songs like WAWO, Faceless Man etc.

Then you have like your mainstream stuff like My Sacrifice and One Last Breath

THen you have your hard rock/metal kind of stuff like Bullets, Freedom Fighter, Unforgiven, etc.

So it's really hard to say overall what kind of band creed is.

[velocityidp]

Yeah, but all I'm saying is that I fear a general progression toward the "mainstream."

To me, a lot is hanging on this next record. It's going to define weather I classify myself as a "Creed Fan" or an "Old-School Creed Fan."

Know what I mean?

[facelessman]

Lechium is right. when you have a big fan base or have lots of radio play, you are pop, but not pop as in that britney spears crap, but pop as in popular. people often get it confused, but there is a difference between pop music and pop(ular) music.

[velocityidp]

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Originally posted by facelessman
Lechium is right. when you have a big fan base or have lots of radio play, you are pop, but not pop as in that britney spears crap, but pop as in popular. people often get it confused, but there is a difference between pop music and pop(ular) music.

Uh, that's what I've been trying to say the whole time.

[facelessman]

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Originally posted by Unforgiven Fan
<b>weathered was "sculpture rock"
human clay was "hard rock"
MOP was "post - grunge hard rock"

they only resemblence to metal is some of the guitar parts mark does but that is the only thing. They have not gone into pop rock territory truely and they are not a pop rock band. </b>

I agree

[facelessman]

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Originally posted by velocityidp
<b>Yeah, but all I'm saying is that I fear a general progression toward the "mainstream."

To me, a lot is hanging on this next record. It's going to define weather I classify myself as a "Creed Fan" or an "Old-School Creed Fan."

Know what I mean? </b>

yeah man i know what you mean.

[Rune]

basically, if you want lech to be a fan of your band, make a band but don't make any money and don't change your music so you can do so

lol


It may be selling out lech, but everyone's gotta pay the bills (personally if i got rich i wouldn't waste it on a mansion or cars or anything like that, i'd buy myself a nice NORMAL sized house, a cheap honda and then spend the rest on food LOL.....nah i'd probably just put it in a bank or something, i could never find anything to spend money on cept maybe guitar equipment...hehe)

[velocityidp]

I can understand Lechium's perspective to a certain extent, it's just that I think he's a bit too hard on successful musicians. There's nothing wrong with making money.

But I would agree with him on the whole "conforming to the mainstream" to make more $$ issue. Is Creed doing that? I don't think so, but their last CD has given me a reason to re-evaluate the issue. Even the (questionably) famed group Nirvana had their run-in with the "mainstream." Will Creed hop into the pop-rock arena? I sure hope not. We'll all have a better idea once the next album rolls out.

[Unforgiven Fan]

well I have listen to "pop" rock artists and Creed is leaning towards that way but maybe it was because of the pressure on them to produce Human Clay 2, and they did not know how to do it, so they tried to appeal to the masses and not truely looked to themselves for the sound of the Weathered.

[velocityidp]

That, and the fact that they only spent 3 weeks writing and recording the material. Even with the somewhat "watered down" sound of Weathered, I find it totally incredible they were able to produce the quality that they did.

OK, I'll grant Creed this one foray into rock that was on the border of pop-rock. I would like to hear something more hardcore, creative and **lyrically substantive** than Weathered in the next album.

That's going to require the group getting back to taking TIME to write their songs instead of rushing it to the extreme. Quality and creativity come only with time.

And by this time I think everyone agrees -- bass lines must be written by a *bassist* this time! This is one of the major reasons Weathered fell so flat, IMO.