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Old 06-20-2005, 02:01 PM   #4
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Quote: (Originally Posted by Anarkist) At this time I would like to make it known that I have neither love nor respect for the former Pope John Paul II.

I would even put forth that he actually was a criminal.

Now John Paul II was Pope for what 20+ years? Well in his time as pope he knew about the Sexual Abuse at the hands of the priests which he had control over, yet he did nothing to stop or prevent it, which means he aided and abetted these criminal acts which in itself are a crime.

Nothing to prevent it... Oh boy. You need to educate yourself. The Pope is the Leader of the Catholic Church, not all powerful. He obviously condemns it and has done thigns to try and avoid it--he can't personalyl stop every priest from commiting a crime anymroe than Bush can stop every citizen from committing a crime. Give me a break.


Quote: The pope (who is infallible in the eyes of Catholics) also stated that Married couples in Africa could not use condoms for it would be a sin. EVEN IF say the woman in the marriage was raped before she got married and contracted the HIV virus. So rather than not having children the pope would have one MURDER their spouse by giving them HIV (I am sorry faith will not stop a virus). And it would also raise the rate of infection due to the fact that their children would also have the HIV virus. In some states it is a felony to knowingly transmit HIV to another person.


Hmm... Let's see, do condoms %100 effectivly stop the transmission of sexual diseases? NO! The ONLY way to KNOW you are not going to transmit the disease is ABSTINENCE, which is what the Pope recommended.

U.N. POPULATION CHIEF LECTURES VATICAN

Thoraya Obaid, the head of the U.N. Population Fund, admonished the Vatican today to change its teachings on condoms. Speaking of the need for the Catholic Church to endorse condom use, she said, “We are hoping the new pope will take this message further, because it makes no sense sending people to their death.” She urged the Church to adopt a “morally correct decision” on how to stop HIV.

Catholic League president William Donohue spoke to this issue:

“Is there anyone on the planet who doesn’t know about the alleged wonders of condoms? Yet, it is indisputably true that as condom use has increased, so have sexually transmitted diseases (STD’s). This is not to say that condom use causes STD’s, but it is to say that condom use has not prevented the explosion in STD’s. And this is because the same culture that prizes sexual license—in all its expressions—is morally incapable of sending a message of restraint.

“If Thoraya Obaid is truly concerned about HIV in Africa, she should get the U.N. to endorse the teachings of the Catholic Church on matters sexual. That is because the only real success story on that continent is Uganda, a nation that has tailored its anti-HIV strategy to the wisdom of Catholic sexual ethics. According to Edward C. Green, a professor at the Harvard School of Public Health, ‘basic behavioral changes in Uganda of 1987-95 have kept HIV prevalence declining up until now.’ The reason why the progress that has been made is now in jeopardy has more to do with dropping the emphasis on abstinence, he says, in exchange for a more condom-centered approach.

“Obaid is not only wrong on the issue, she is wrong on the cause of deaths due to AIDS. It is near impossible for anyone to die of AIDS (save for a blood transfusion) who follows the teachings of the Catholic Church on sexuality. It is not the Catholic Church that is causing Africans to die—or is responsible for a new strain of HIV among homosexuals in New York City—it is behavioral recklessness.”




As usual, you really do not understand Catholicism at all.
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