yes you are right about the glory of that civilisation, thanks for adding that.......i guess romans were astrologist as well.... but i wasnt speaking about the romans in that sense.... iwas talking about in a historical way as i am fimiliar with em....i am a MUSLIM.... so i read Holy Quran...thats the book of God for me, although my belief is that Bible is the book of God too....but that has got some other side as well...which i dont think is relevent to your question so i am not discussion that..... in holy Quran, a verse is with the name "ROMANS" .... i here quote some initial verses, for your information purpose only..... i wil try to explain em to the best of my ability... but hey, i aint no big scholar or something....
Chapter 30 AL_RUM - (THE ROMANS)
030.001 Alif. Lam. Mim.
030.002 The Romans have been defeated
030.003 In the nearer land, and they, after their defeat will be victorious
030.004 Within ten years - Allah's is the command in the former case and in the latter - and in that day believers will rejoice
030.005 In Allah's help to victory. He helpeth to victory whom He will. He is the Mighty, the Merciful.
030.006 It is a promise of Allah. Allah faileth not His promise,
but most of mankind know not.
EXPLANATION for those who are interested in understanding these verses, i;ll be saying few words here....when Holy Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H.) started to convey the message of Islam , his Initail life was in MEKKAH....at that early time of Prophethood, there were 2 super powers in the world... 1 the Iranians, who worshiped fire.....and 2: the Romans: who were christians......... Mekkah was divided in two sympathy groups...the disbelives were in favour of Iranians ...and the muslims had soft corner for the Christians of Rome...as they were afterall, the book holder...... the war was between these 2 super powers of that time, and Rome fell in to the hands of the Iranian Fire worshippers..... on that few muslims of that time as they were, greived upon this progress, at that moment.... these verses were revelaed by ALLAH ALMIGHTY to giving a pridiction, which although looked almost impossible to be accomplished, telling people that altougth the Romans are defeated, they will be victorious very soon...and that what just happened 9 years latter........there are other specifics about this verse that i wil try to understand too....like the reference to the LAND OF NEAR....that means the land close to ARAB land...like the palestine ...
030.007 They know only some appearance of the life of the world, and are heedless of the Hereafter.
030.008 Have they not pondered upon themselves ? Allah created not the heavens and the earth, and that which is between them, save with truth and for a destined end. But truly many of mankind are disbelievers in the meeting with their Lord.
EXPLANATION ok...here , ALLAH ALMIGHTY is asking the people of all generations, including ours to think and look into the creation of Universe and the things around us and surely if we jsut do that , we shall find the miracles of his creation....Science has done that for us in greater details......
030.009 Have they not travelled in the land and seen the nature of the consequence for those who were before them ? They were stronger than these in power, and they dug the earth and built upon it more than these have built. Messengers of their own came unto them with clear proofs (of Allah's Sovereignty). Surely Allah wronged them not, but they did wrong themselves.
EXPLANATION we still have the remains of all civilisations....... they were surely stronger than most of us at this time, however the verse is directed to the Arab people of the times of HOLY PROPHET (P.B.U.H.)as well saying that ARabs of that time did'nt know how to cultivate land...but surely those whose remains are only here, were certainily aware of land cultivation.... here i would also stress that if one studies the life of HOLY PROPHET (P.B.U.H.), he never left the lands of Arab ever in his early life.......
030.010 Then evil was the consequence to those who dealt in evil, because they denied the revelations of Allah and made a mock of them.
030.011 Allah produceth creation, then He reproduceth it, then unto Him ye will be returned.
030.012 And in the day when the Hour riseth the unrighteous will despair.
030.013 There will be none to intercede for them of those whom they made equal with Allah. And they will reject their partners (whom they ascribed unto Him).
030.014 In the day when the Hour cometh, in that day they will be sundered.
030.015 As for those who believed and did good works, they will be made happy in a Garden.
......about the origin of life on earth....and the begining...i did post a thread a while back..... please check it out
http://www.creedfeed.com/community/s...ad.php?t=10783
i belived your 3rd question from the initial post was refered from Bible.... so i didnt anwer that....
what do i think? .... i think living with doubt is the biggest crime anyone can commit against himself...... i mean, i admire you that you are actually questioning and speaking your mind.... your way better than a person that say he is RElgious but has doubts.... i , thank To MY LORD ALMIGHTY dont carry any such doubts...i havebeen questioning my fait eversince i could..... and i have never been disappointed...you see, no matter what relgion people here belong to, we all have one thing in common and that is FAITH.....and that makes us strong....