[King Oropher]

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GO: Brian, let's start with your dismissal from Creed, during the Human Clay tour. It wasn't just the Pearl Jam remark, was it?

BM: A lot of the time, I felt that everything was a lie, and I couldn't stand living the lie and being in hypocritical rock band. It wasn't real to me. I called Stapp our on a lot of things, and he didn't want to put up with that. He threw his weight around and said it was him or me.

MT: It was tough. We'd already been pretty successful. Scott was coming after Brian pretty agressively and accusing him of a lot of things - and a few things that Brian didn't help us out with (looks across at Brian with a knowing smile); he didn't make it very easy for us to defend him.

BM: Hey, I chose my battles, but, frankly, he deserved them all.

GO: At that point, did you ever consider saying "Stapp, you're out"?

MT: Well, at that point doing so would've meant our careers were over. We weren't as recognizable then as we are now. And Brian did enough things that didn't allow us to defend him anymore.

BM: But in the end, you kicked out the wrong guy!

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