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Chase · 08-04-2006, 03:05 AM

Quote: (Originally Posted by bilal) but chase....i think Hizbollah is protecting Lebnon.....and if they need to wear civilian stuff......they will.....and most of the people is hizbolla are actually civilians...ai.e as per my knowledge......tell me....you must be seeing this as disgusting.....but i think its PATRIOTISM......cause Hizbollah is working for the will of the people of lebnon...where as Israel is the occupaying army......although its the main purpose of Israel to week down Hizbollah....by naming it terrorsit....throwing leaflets over the cities saying that Hizbollah is responsible for the people WE killed.........and i guess this pointing of civilian clothes isj ust one of the these tactics.........Israel is in no way welcomed by the people of lebnon......if it wasnt Hizbollah standing in the way....ISrael would have occupied lebnon once again........now u might say that its only due to this resistance that people are dying...then tell me.....which country in the world will let an oppresing army occupy them......its inhumane.......

i was seeing interview of a beruit citizen in news....and he was saying that for most of the civilians of beruit...it was a dream that Israel will send in its ground forces......so that theycan take theri revenge for the crimes of Israel against theri forefathers and their brothers in Palestine...........so that they could feel them in theri range and do what ever they can to get their hands on them......so what civillians you are talking about....might just be some doctors or busnessmen...but know turned fighters

its funny why do people see patriotism as acceptable ony for them selves and not for the others....if two countries are at war.....soldliers shooting and dying are driven by one emotion..... i,e PATRIOTISM.......but fail to see it for the other and reserve the right for it over themselves.......let say if some country invades my country, i am a working accountant....but i will make sure if i have to blow up my self to stop the envading army..i wont think twice....and i am sure CHase..you wont think twice to blow up your self to stop an occupying army , to save your country.....the country you love the most.........but one of the ugly sides of war is that both sides fail to see Patriotism in each ohter eyes....and reserves it only for them selves.....Israel on the other hand has used civilians as humun shield....i saw once on BBC....when Israel put some captured civiilans...locked em up in a container...and lifted the container with the help of giant crane...over above GAZA skyies.....and asked militants to surrender or the people will be killed....s.o what i think is that this is just one of the things to distract the matter from its main purpose.......

i hope you will respond to correct me if i am wrong

Hezbollah is not protecting Lebanon. Hezbollah is making Lebanon a target. Many civilized nations recognize Hezbollah as a terrorist group and many nations are currently trying to rid the world of terror. Lebanon has a military... and their purpose is to protect the Lebanese people. But you know what? Syria occupied Lebanon for years... and I don't remember Hezbollah doing a damn thing about protecting the Lebanese people when another Islamic nation was occupying Lebanon and assassinating political leaders. Where was Hezbollah then?
Anti-semitism, to me, isn't patriotic. Nor is exploiting your host nation and its people. It's not just Israel who believes that Hezbollah is a terrorist network. Here is a list of nations who do: The United States, Canada, Israel, the United Kingdom, Netherlands, Australia, and the European Union lists Hezbollah's senior intelligence officer (Imad Mugniyah) as a terrorist. It expresses support and sympathy for the activities of Hamas and Islamic Jihad, Islamist groups responsible for suicide attacks and armed resistance in Israel and the Palestinian territories. Hezbollah will, at least, draw distinctions between which types of terrorist attacks it supports... they're more apt to support terrorism against government and military targets. Nevertheless, in most instances, Hezbollah will have support coming from Al Qaeda.Ayman al-Zawahiri, Al Qaeda's deputy leader, called for Muslims to rise up in a holy war against Zionists and join the fighting in Lebanon.
If Hezbollah wasn't in Lebanon... Israel would have no reason to invade. Had Hezbollah NOT kidnapped two Israeli soldiers and killed three... this conflict would not be happening. Provoking Israel, a nation who will ONLY respond to terrorism with military force, is one of the biggest mistakes one can make. Now look at the state of Lebanon following Hezbollah's decision. They continuously put the Lebanese people in the middle of their conflict. They operate from neighborhoods where families live, hospitals, mosques, apartment buildings, and other civilian areas.
You want to know what I think patriotism is? I think patriotism was witnessed during Lebanon's Cedar Revolution, in which the people of Lebanon protested the occupation of Syria following the assassination of former Prime Minister Rafik Hariri. That, my friend, is patriotic. Patriotism isn't having some non-uniformed, terrorist group go snatch a couple Israeli soldiers and hold them hostage. Patriotism isn't antagonism. That is clearly the case here. Inappropriate antagonism.

Below are actual photos of Muslims who marched in the streets of London during their recent Religion of Peace Demonstration. This is what's wrong with Islam... the fact that such a worldwide religion has been hijacked by people like this.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i1.../image0011.jpg
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i1.../image0022.jpg
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i1.../image0033.jpg
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i1.../image0044.jpg
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i1.../image0055.jpg
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i1.../image0066.jpg
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i1.../image0077.jpg
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i1.../image0088.jpg
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i1.../image0099.jpg

By the way, I have nothing but respect for you Bilal... as well as Islam and all sane Muslims. I just thought I should make that clear lol.

08-04-2006, 03:05 AM	#36
Chase USER INFO » Status: Wound Up Posts: 1,160 Joined: Oct 2004 Currently: Offline	Re: More Conflict Quote: (Originally Posted by bilal) but chase....i think Hizbollah is protecting Lebnon.....and if they need to wear civilian stuff......they will.....and most of the people is hizbolla are actually civilians...ai.e as per my knowledge......tell me....you must be seeing this as disgusting.....but i think its PATRIOTISM......cause Hizbollah is working for the will of the people of lebnon...where as Israel is the occupaying army......although its the main purpose of Israel to week down Hizbollah....by naming it terrorsit....throwing leaflets over the cities saying that Hizbollah is responsible for the people WE killed.........and i guess this pointing of civilian clothes isj ust one of the these tactics.........Israel is in no way welcomed by the people of lebnon......if it wasnt Hizbollah standing in the way....ISrael would have occupied lebnon once again........now u might say that its only due to this resistance that people are dying...then tell me.....which country in the world will let an oppresing army occupy them......its inhumane....... i was seeing interview of a beruit citizen in news....and he was saying that for most of the civilians of beruit...it was a dream that Israel will send in its ground forces......so that theycan take theri revenge for the crimes of Israel against theri forefathers and their brothers in Palestine...........so that they could feel them in theri range and do what ever they can to get their hands on them......so what civillians you are talking about....might just be some doctors or busnessmen...but know turned fighters its funny why do people see patriotism as acceptable ony for them selves and not for the others....if two countries are at war.....soldliers shooting and dying are driven by one emotion..... i,e PATRIOTISM.......but fail to see it for the other and reserve the right for it over themselves.......let say if some country invades my country, i am a working accountant....but i will make sure if i have to blow up my self to stop the envading army..i wont think twice....and i am sure CHase..you wont think twice to blow up your self to stop an occupying army , to save your country.....the country you love the most.........but one of the ugly sides of war is that both sides fail to see Patriotism in each ohter eyes....and reserves it only for them selves.....Israel on the other hand has used civilians as humun shield....i saw once on BBC....when Israel put some captured civiilans...locked em up in a container...and lifted the container with the help of giant crane...over above GAZA skyies.....and asked militants to surrender or the people will be killed....s.o what i think is that this is just one of the things to distract the matter from its main purpose....... i hope you will respond to correct me if i am wrong Hezbollah is not protecting Lebanon. Hezbollah is making Lebanon a target. Many civilized nations recognize Hezbollah as a terrorist group and many nations are currently trying to rid the world of terror. Lebanon has a military... and their purpose is to protect the Lebanese people. But you know what? Syria occupied Lebanon for years... and I don't remember Hezbollah doing a damn thing about protecting the Lebanese people when another Islamic nation was occupying Lebanon and assassinating political leaders. Where was Hezbollah then? Anti-semitism, to me, isn't patriotic. Nor is exploiting your host nation and its people. It's not just Israel who believes that Hezbollah is a terrorist network. Here is a list of nations who do: The United States, Canada, Israel, the United Kingdom, Netherlands, Australia, and the European Union lists Hezbollah's senior intelligence officer (Imad Mugniyah) as a terrorist. It expresses support and sympathy for the activities of Hamas and Islamic Jihad, Islamist groups responsible for suicide attacks and armed resistance in Israel and the Palestinian territories. Hezbollah will, at least, draw distinctions between which types of terrorist attacks it supports... they're more apt to support terrorism against government and military targets. Nevertheless, in most instances, Hezbollah will have support coming from Al Qaeda.Ayman al-Zawahiri, Al Qaeda's deputy leader, called for Muslims to rise up in a holy war against Zionists and join the fighting in Lebanon. If Hezbollah wasn't in Lebanon... Israel would have no reason to invade. Had Hezbollah NOT kidnapped two Israeli soldiers and killed three... this conflict would not be happening. Provoking Israel, a nation who will ONLY respond to terrorism with military force, is one of the biggest mistakes one can make. Now look at the state of Lebanon following Hezbollah's decision. They continuously put the Lebanese people in the middle of their conflict. They operate from neighborhoods where families live, hospitals, mosques, apartment buildings, and other civilian areas. You want to know what I think patriotism is? I think patriotism was witnessed during Lebanon's Cedar Revolution, in which the people of Lebanon protested the occupation of Syria following the assassination of former Prime Minister Rafik Hariri. That, my friend, is patriotic. Patriotism isn't having some non-uniformed, terrorist group go snatch a couple Israeli soldiers and hold them hostage. Patriotism isn't antagonism. That is clearly the case here. Inappropriate antagonism. Below are actual photos of Muslims who marched in the streets of London during their recent Religion of Peace Demonstration. This is what's wrong with Islam... the fact that such a worldwide religion has been hijacked by people like this. http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i1.../image0011.jpg http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i1.../image0022.jpg http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i1.../image0033.jpg http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i1.../image0044.jpg http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i1.../image0055.jpg http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i1.../image0066.jpg http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i1.../image0077.jpg http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i1.../image0088.jpg http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i1.../image0099.jpg By the way, I have nothing but respect for you Bilal... as well as Islam and all sane Muslims. I just thought I should make that clear lol. Last edited by Chase : 08-04-2006 at 03:17 AM.