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SecretWeapon · 03-30-2006, 07:24 PM

Quote: You get asexual first, then viruses acting like sperm, then male/female, etc.

Oh ok. But where do the viruses come from?

http://www.mrs.umn.edu/~goochv/CellB...rus/virus.html

Quote: A virus can not reproduce on its own, it must infect a living cell in order to reproduce. The nucleic acid directs and utilizes the host cell machinery to reproduce more of itself. It is important to note that the viral component is only a small part of the large reproductive machinery needed to make a new virus or a new cell. The bulk of that reproductive machinery (most enzymes, energy supply, ribosomes, basic building block components, right environment) comes from the living cell that was invaded. The virus simply replaces the coding part of the cell and redirects that coding. (A poor analogy would be thinking of a virus as a replacement steering wheel on a car, whereby you certainly would not call a steering wheel a car, but it can dramatically affect the direction of the car.)

Quote: Is a virus alive?
Yes - They reproduce which is a definite form of organization. True, they can not do it on their own, yet all living systems are open systems and depend upon their environment for survival. It is just that the environment a virus requires is another living cell. This is actually true for many symbiotic and parasitic cells.
No - A virus is not a living machine . It is only part of a machine, namely the blueprints. The virus only provides the plans, the cell has done the real living work. Outside of its host the virus shows no living qualities.

Were they randomly created alongside the "extremely simple"
new life form? They would have had to have been created
(being not alive, technically) while the primitive life form(s)
was already alive and functioning, and in the same exact point
in space and time to be able to find the life form(s). This only adds
to the improbability. Does it not?

03-30-2006, 07:24 PM	#47
SecretWeapon USER INFO » Status: Misconception Posts: 125 Joined: Oct 2005 Currently: Offline	Re: Atheism growing in America Quote: You get asexual first, then viruses acting like sperm, then male/female, etc. Oh ok. But where do the viruses come from? http://www.mrs.umn.edu/~goochv/CellB...rus/virus.html Quote: A virus can not reproduce on its own, it must infect a living cell in order to reproduce. The nucleic acid directs and utilizes the host cell machinery to reproduce more of itself. It is important to note that the viral component is only a small part of the large reproductive machinery needed to make a new virus or a new cell. The bulk of that reproductive machinery (most enzymes, energy supply, ribosomes, basic building block components, right environment) comes from the living cell that was invaded. The virus simply replaces the coding part of the cell and redirects that coding. (A poor analogy would be thinking of a virus as a replacement steering wheel on a car, whereby you certainly would not call a steering wheel a car, but it can dramatically affect the direction of the car.) Quote: Is a virus alive? Yes - They reproduce which is a definite form of organization. True, they can not do it on their own, yet all living systems are open systems and depend upon their environment for survival. It is just that the environment a virus requires is another living cell. This is actually true for many symbiotic and parasitic cells. No - A virus is not a living machine . It is only part of a machine, namely the blueprints. The virus only provides the plans, the cell has done the real living work. Outside of its host the virus shows no living qualities. Were they randomly created alongside the "extremely simple" new life form? They would have had to have been created (being not alive, technically) while the primitive life form(s) was already alive and functioning, and in the same exact point in space and time to be able to find the life form(s). This only adds to the improbability. Does it not? Last edited by SecretWeapon : 03-30-2006 at 07:35 PM.