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Quote: (Originally Posted by Jester)

hey wait a minute here......

wasn't Martin Luther a heretic and what about John Calvin or Augustine (sp) ?? these were all heretics at there time but now they are see as the founding fathers of the split of the church in to different sects. Heresies are all in the eye of the beholder.

Yep, and in this eye they were heretics. Luther (and this is a historical fact) was an overly scrupulous headcase, who came up with his "Faith Alone" doctrine because he couldn't handle how guilty he always became for sinning--so he invented an ideology where sinning doesn't matter.

And they are not part of "The Church". They are churches, but not the Church.