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rabidgopher04 · 04-07-2005, 01:07 AM

Quote: (Originally Posted by aussiecreeder) excuses? i'm not making excuses because i am baptised. however you are making an ordiance nescessary for salavation which would mean that man helps to save HIMSELF which is contary which christianity is all about. read up on doctrines such as predestination for example.

In Baptism it is God who is doing the work. God is the one pouring out the grace, but of course it requires some human action.

Take the Bible - you could say that it is just a man-made set of texts. But reality is that God worked through the people who wrote them (hence divine inspiration) in order to communicate his message.

So in baptism someone needs to perform it, but it is truly God that is doing the real work. Man is not saving himself.

04-07-2005, 01:07 AM	#20
rabidgopher04 USER INFO » Status: A Melody Posts: 442 Joined: Mar 2004 Currently: Offline	Quote: (Originally Posted by aussiecreeder) excuses? i'm not making excuses because i am baptised. however you are making an ordiance nescessary for salavation which would mean that man helps to save HIMSELF which is contary which christianity is all about. read up on doctrines such as predestination for example. In Baptism it is God who is doing the work. God is the one pouring out the grace, but of course it requires some human action. Take the Bible - you could say that it is just a man-made set of texts. But reality is that God worked through the people who wrote them (hence divine inspiration) in order to communicate his message. So in baptism someone needs to perform it, but it is truly God that is doing the real work. Man is not saving himself.