[Lunar Shadow]

Quote: (Originally Posted by SecretWeapon)

Morality (or, for the sake of argument, a sensitivity towards others)
is a system that is found inherintly in all conscious beings, a result of
a sense of awareness, a sense of value, and a sense of reciprocity.

Anacondas steal and eat helpless baby animals from their parents.
They don't mate for life, they mate with several (strange) partners
at a time.
They also have eaten their own stillborn babies.
They abandon their young at birth. (They don't eat them, because,
theoretically, instict forbids them from destroying their own race)
They die for no conscious purpose, they die because they can't help it.
(in other words, they aren't self-sacraficial)

Now you can argue that the fact they that don't eat their own young
proves a natural moral law, but that one trait is a far cry from the
"human level" of morality. The rest of their lives and actions seem
moral-less.

All carnivores kill and eat. The vast majority of the time, with no
obvious remorse.

Wolves live in a hierarchy, not moral order. The pack consists of the
Alpha-Male (father) and the Alpha Female (mother) the rest of the pack
are their children. Occasionaly, there will be straglers in the pack, but
they are at the bottom of the pecking order, they eat last, etc.
The pack members are kept together and in order by nessecity and
aggression. Normally, no pack members are allowed to mate except
the Alpha male and female.

Bees work together for a common good because, if they don't they will
all die within a very short time.

You can say that animals prove a natural moral law, but they really
don't. If I walked up and bit your leg because you ate before I did,
I'd feel really bad because I really ove-reacted because of such a
stupid thing. But wolves do it. If I went outside and took some baby
chicks out of a nest, and cooked and ate them in front of the mother
bird, I wouldn't feel very good about myself. But alot of snakes do just
that (sans cooking).

Spiders wrap up their prey in webbing and leave them there alive
until they feel like sucking the bugs guts out. Is that moral?

A certain fly will lay it's egg(or larvae) inside a fireants head and the
young fly will grow until the ants head explodes. Is that moral?

Black widow spiders will eat the male after mating with him, if he
is no longer useful for mating. Is that moral?

Chimpanzees will attack individual chimpanzees from another family
and brutally kill it. (They rip the genitals out, &c) Moral?

Yes, certain pack animals are loyal. Dogs will die for their masters/friends,
bees will die for their hives. Ants for their colonies.

But this does little more than exibit a sense of instict, which keeps their
race alive. It does not explain how humans dislike someone looking at
them without smiling, dislike being lied to, dislike half-truths, dislike
being cussed out or getting "the finger", dislike being belittled.

it is great to see you cherry pick to make things say what you want them to. Have you eaten meat? do you feel remorse for doing so because that Cow or Chicken was killed as well and don't say you don't eat meat because every one has at one point or another.

But ignoring all that reading through your post you obviously have no education in zoology so really there is nothign to respond to here. other than to point out that your post makes you come across as a total freaking retard.

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He created it, gave man the Bible, etc.[quote]

Unproven

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The Christian-Jewish God does, obviously.

Again Unproven just dogmatic speculation

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Christians believe Him to be.

Again Unproven just dogmatic speculation

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Is

Again Unproven just dogmatic speculation

this is really getting old you offer no proof just belief and belief is subjective


honestly secret weapon I think you need to go back to the drawing board and formulate a new plan because this faith one isn't working out for you.