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Quote: (Originally Posted by Lunar Shadow)

ok UD there are really only 3 elements that are required for a natural moral code to exist

sentience (awareness)
a sense of value
and a sense of reciprocity

using these three things a basic moral code can emerge... if you need a more detailed explaination just ask.

Umm, let's say for the moment that this is true. Where did our "sense of value" come from? It seems to me just a different way of saying we have the capability to look at things and say one is better than the other. Where did these values come from? Why do humans alone do things that might *not* benefit themselves or even their species, but instead follow some morality? Where did these values come from?

Even if we take this as a valid premise (that we need only sentience, a sense of value, and a sense of reciprocity, whatever you mean by that), let alone the questions regarding what those three things even ARE, it is not really doing anything for the argument. Not only does it fail to explain why a moral law would be useful, (or even a "law" at all; again, if no one has to live by it, who gives a crap), but it fails because a law needs a judge and we don't have one, a law needs authority and it has none, and a law still has to come from seomwhere.