i agree w/ you. but you (and others) need not come into the Creed Talk threads if all you're gonna do is bash Creed and, namely, Stapp. You might not like it that people haven't moved on, but just accept the fact that they haven't and that, as you say, it is a case of 'to each his own.' I'm sure people feel attacked at times, most certainly when others who proclaim themselves to have moved on and tell them to do the same. It's quite condescending.