Sal, next time do it right or nobody will ever read your post coz that thread is full! Sorry again for "stealing" the important stuff you find on net about our very favourite band:


so, yep... for now, Creed is gone. From that puzzle (and I'm not wearing pink glasses) a reunion is possible only in a not so near future.

But things can chage. All it takes is swallowing your own pride.

Wait, wait, wait. Brian?

Brian Marshall?

How does anyone know that that guy is actually Michael Tremonti? There is probably a reason, but I haven't heard it and would like to know, if anyone can tell me.

So, jesus christ. I would like to hear something from Scott Stapp.

i have not had nothing to say about any of this,,but i think i know just were your comeing from,,in stuff,,so my prayers are with all the guys for whatever the needs is at this time,,and as forest gump would say,,thats all i have to say about that,,,,,peace

THIS SUCKS!!!!

BRIAN MARSHALL INDEED!

yep, Brian Marshall indeed.

Coz he is Michael Tremonti. The pit bulletin board was the first one to get popular and crowded, and he joined it as soon as it happened. He even posted family pics, if I remember correctly. And he looks like Mark! lol! :)

Finally! This would have been so much easier and much less painful for everyone if they would just go ahead and release the damn statement, instead of letting us get our hopes up that there is any kind of future.



Mark is not doing a SOLO album, at least not like one thinks of Solo (being backed by unnamed/unknown studio instrumentalists)

Mark and Flip, along with BRIAN MARSHALL are foming a completely new band, as yet unnamed.

Yes, Brian Marshall, former bass player of Creed....one and the same. Pretty farkin odd how things turn around, ain't it?

I'm pasting my post from the Pit:

so, from what I got so far (unless I missed something here at the pit coz I'm catching up on CreedFeed and Tremonti.net)...

1)Michael didn't say in any moment, explicitally (sp?) that Creed is over.

2)He also didn't say if Mark and Stapp really argued, in a way that their friendship is over and that are hurt feelings left.

MICHAEL, send my hello from Brazil to Mark, please?

3)I read a post on flip online that Mark and Stapp played golf together the weekend the poker celeb show was recorded.

4)Michael implied that Mark took the decision sometime ago, but he didn't imply that the door is shut to Stapp for good.

Is that correct? or I did miss something?

And did somebody copied the chat session with Michael a couple nights ago?

This is unbelievable

WE NEED A STRAIGHT STORY HERE

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so, from what I got so far (unless I missed something here at the pit coz I'm catching up on CreedFeed and Tremonti.net)...

1)Michael didn't say in any moment, explicitally (sp?) that Creed is over.

2)He also didn't say if Mark and Stapp really argued, in a way that their friendship is over and that are hurt feelings left.

MICHAEL, send my hello from Brazil to Mark, please?&nbsp;

3)I read a post on flip online that Mark and Stapp played golf together the weekend the poker celeb show was recorded.

4)Michael implied that Mark took the decision sometime ago, but he didn't imply that the door is shut to Stapp for good.

Is that correct? or I did miss something?

And did somebody copied the chat session with Michael a couple nights ago?[/b][/quote]
If you don't have the patience to read all the stuff at the pit, read the thread I started here yesterday that has THE ANSWERS.

1)Michael didn't say in any moment, explicitally (sp?) that Creed is over.

No, Mark did


2)He also didn't say if Mark and Stapp really argued, in a way that their friendship is over and that are hurt feelings left.
As well, he shouldn't get into details like that, and he didn't have to. Mark already said that he and Scott had parted ways.


3)I read a post on flip online that Mark and Stapp played golf together the weekend the poker celeb show was recorded.
No, that was Scott and Flip. NOT Mark



4)Michael implied that Mark took the decision sometime ago, but he didn't imply that the door is shut to Stapp for good.
Michael did not imply that Mark made the decision that Stapp should be out of the band. NO ONE has said what the cause of this rift is...for all we know, Stapp very well could have been the one to make the choice to end it.

This is going to turn into a mess and I bet there are going to be several stories until one of the band members comes out and explains what is happening TO ALL OF THER FANS not just one. I wish they would hurry up and do that. If they are going to.

uh, ok Jez. You got me wrong. But I failed to communicate my thoughts in a better way:

I read your thread, and I read a bit of the pit.

1- I read 2 quotes from Mark: one said it was over, other said it won't be the way we know it anymore. that's why I ASKED about Michael.

2- I agree. I didn't say it had to be the opposite way. I was ASKING coz if he had stated it the other way, more rumours would be flying out there.

3- ok, got it wrong. That's why I ASKED, once again.

4- I didn't refer to the decision of Stapp in or out, but to decision of starting a new band. Yet again, just another QUESTION.

I agree. Who knows? Maybe Stapp chose to be in permanent vacation, he has a son to educate as well. it can be his call. never meant the opposite

I wasn't being rude. I posted answers in bold so that you could tell the difference between questions and answers.
Sorry for trying to help.

oh oh...that's too much misunderstanding for a night!

I never thought you were rude. Don't say sorry. On the second post, I was trying to explain what I really meant, that's just it. Thanks for pointing me the directions.

Geez, I'm going to bed now, it's kinda late! heh!

Someone ask him about Brett, please. Tell him theres a Hestla fan on CF thats wants to know. if he already said something about that could someone post it here, thanks.

The problem with ppl from the pit is that they think they are above and better than the rest of us. Sad but true. Typically, if ppl ask a question or say something they don't like, they get jumped.
IMO, it's pretty damn bizarre that the way Mark is communicating is through an internet MB. So who knows whats going on. I saw that post from Michael and thought it very strange.

I don't have time to read much here or at the pit, but my impression there is that many are jumping on Mark's bandwagon and leaving Stapp in the dust.

Many don't seem all that upset and are kind of, that's life etc.

I think it's totally depressing, totally sucks, I can't imagine not having Creed.
It's too sad too think about. I can't have a whateverrrrr attitude.

It's just too damn sad.
And maybe Scott did some pretty crappy things but he exposed his soul for us and gave us songs that have made many live, including me.

IMO, the alleged new band, which will basically be Creed without the guy who started the band, wrote most of their songs and gave them his voice, will have a huge uphill battle to succeed.

I guess I'll get crucified here but right now I don't care, it's been a shit week.

A post by Michael T at the MT.net BB:

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

IM IN DELIRIUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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My opinion of this whole thing is as follows:

1) This is the only hopeful news I've heard yet.

2) I think this whole thing sucks!

3) Mark CAN'T sing!!!!

4) I'm SO glad he saved his best work for his solo project! :vomit:

5) Yeah ... but they didn't! How convenient!

6) Well ... isn't he modest!!

7) Congratulations Michael Joiner ---- you seem to be the only one getting any kind of REAL information!

lol, dont be hard on the other members of the band, im sure mark has his reasons and would never plan the destruction of creed to futhur himself in another band.

New Band? = Creed minus Scott Stapp with a few more guitar solos.


It must of been a big fall out between Scott and Mark.
It just comes across as Mark wanting to have more imput in the band and Stapp not being open to it. From that it sounds like the music will be the same just a different lead singer.

Wow. That does cheer me up slightly, but doesn't make me feel any better when facing the fact that Creed are no longer a band right now. It's awesome that Brian, Flip, and Tremo will be putting together a band, that's great, and I will be defenitly standing by them, as I will be with Stapp. But I still can't believe it all, this is all so sudden and I didn't think something like this could happen, it still sucks, but I have to face reality. I have been very upset today, but knowing that the members of Creed will still be producing music does cheer me up a little. I wonder what Stapp will do, there has been heaps of news on the other members but nothing on Stapp. :confused:

God this is all too much. :(

First ... I just came home from having a few drinks ... so I am sure I am a bit fiesty right now.

Anyway, Lollies - you say that it sounds like Stapp not being open to Mark's ideas. Where did you hear that? How did you draw that conclusion? I don't recall hearing anything to back that. Maybe Mark wants to turn Creed into a "headbanging" bunch of noise! As I said in a different post --- if it's not broke ... don't fix it!

Also - it's REALLY pissing me off that everyone is so excited about Mark, Flip and Brian joining forces. This solo nonsense ... which BTW is clearly NOT "solo" ... is the reason for Creed's breakup. How could anyone support this new band when it IS all the members of Creed ... but without the "driver" of the band ... without the voice that is SO popular and brought them great success?? I really just don't get it. Is there no one that is loyal enough to see what's going on here?

Excuse me creedlvr I am loyal. It's just imagine this, we got the news that Creed had broken up, and then we also received news that Tremonti, Flip, and Stapp weren't making music, that they were quitting their music careers altogether. How would you feel? I know I would be depressed. But hearing that 3 of them are going to be making a band, there is still hope in my heart that I can be happy about that music.

And you don't know how upset it make me feel that Stapp is no longer a member of Creed! It brings tears to my eyes, like it is now!!! I just can't believe it, I feel just the way you do, so don't you dare say is no one loyal enough. I sure am.

I can't believe any of this, I am so upset this fucking sucks I hate it.

creedlvr

Sorry, I should of said thats my opinion on what possibily might of happened. I'm sitting at my computer on the other side of the world so I have zero idea whats going on. I love Scott and I love Creed and I'm not happy with what is going on.

I'm saying that its a possibility. Why start a new band with the former members of Creed excluding Scott Stapp. To me it seems obvious that there was a fall out between Scott and the rest of the band of course there is also the Possibility that this was Scotts choice to leave the band and I should of said that in my original post. I don't wan't to acuse anyone of anything and Im sorry if I came across that way.

i'm sorry but .... when 3 members go off and start a band without the main man and just leave him in the dust ... i have a REAL problem supporting them.

i will say it again ... let's just see how successful they will be without Stapp.

my loyalties are with Stapp. he is the one who started this band. it was his ambition that drove them ... his thoughts ... his feelings ... his background ... his lyrics ... HIS VOICE. He exposed his soul to us!

How dare they think they could just gang up on him and leave him behind.

I can assure you this will be one cd that I will boycott.

And yes ... you are right, i'd rather know that we can still hear them somewhere ... somehow ... rather than not at all. But I guess I have always been one for the underdog .... and in this case ... it's Scott.

HIS cd (if that's what he will do) ... I will buy!

i know there girl,,it will be ok just try to hang in there,,im sure ,,,that there will be a light some how at the some,,good a come will of it,,,

creedlvr

I agree with you. I don't understand what they are trying to achieve by breaking away to start a new band.

I don't want to get into a pissing contest about loyalties to specific band members, but let's all try to remember that this was a GROUP. The whole in this case equals the sum of its parts. Stapp may have written the lyrics, but Mark wrote the music and you can't have one without the other. I'm sure there were countless efforts from the other two members as well. It was a BAND, not just Scott Stapp.

creedlvr i know EXACTLY how you feel, but i am on the other side of the coin. I am going to boycott Stapp's cd for the exact same reasons.

but if the error is in Mark idno what i'll do. But noone knows whos fault it was or if it was mutual so let's just leave it at that.

yeah ... I get that. But I don't think that anyone here can deny that Stapp is a HUGE part of why Creed are who they are.

I understand full well that they are a GROUP ... and that the others contributed greatly. However, what do you think of when you think of Creed?

I think of that awsome voice, the deep lyrics, the great live shows (sorry, but the frontman and the energy level is what people see first).

Even the "not so positive feedback" ... a Pearl Jam knockoff (because of Stapp's voice), a christian rock band (because of Scott's background leading to his lyrics) ....

It all focuses MOSTLY on Scott. You can not deny that the frontman of any group is usually the main focus. It's how you identify the group.

There are only a select few groups that I can think of where a member other than the lead singer stood out more than the rest. I'd say ... KISS (Gene Simmons) ... Van Halen (Eddie Van Halen) ... not many others.

Sorry - say what you will ... but Creed is not Creed without Scott.

I totally agree with you there, Dogstar. That is so true.

And who is saying that Tremonti and Flip ganged up on Stapp? There is no evidence of that! See the story is getting mixed up, it's still not straight. Which pisses me off I'm not blaming anyone but one of the band members need to come out and tell their worried fans.

Creedlvr, I'm not saying it's not. All I'm saying is that there were/are four and three members of the band. Yes, there is a lot of focus on the frontman in most groups, but I for one often focus more on the music before the lyrics. That's what always draws me in. It was Mark's guitar that caught my ear more than Stapp's voice. I won't deny that he is awesome live and has a lot of charisma and a wonderful voice. That's why he's the frontman. Sorry, say what you will, but to dismiss the major contributions of Mark is totally wrong, in my opinion.

The energy level comes from more than just Scott. Flip is nuts on the kit, Mark is a headbanging maniac and Brett was a monster on stage.

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That is defenitly true, I mean he is the frontman, but Creed is no Creed without a guitarist, drummer and a bassist. Creed is a BAND, not just Scott Stapp.

AMEN DOGSTAR!

I am not disagreeing with any of that. But still ... IMO ... Scott is the driver and they will not be the same without him.

Apparently, we don't have a lot of Scott fans here and quite frankly, I'm not sure how anyone could say that they are Creed fans if they don't like Scott.

<!--QuoteBegin-Delirium+11-21-2003 11:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Delirium @ 11-21-2003 11:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> creedlvr i know EXACTLY how you feel, but i am on the other side of the coin. I am going to boycott Stapp's cd for the exact same reasons.

but if the error is in Mark idno what i'll do. But noone knows whos fault it was or if it was mutual so let's just leave it at that. [/b][/quote]
Why exactly would you boycott Scott's cd? I must have missed something. What "exact same reasons"? I'm talking about the whole group abandoning Scott. How could that be the same on your side of the coin?

And...
you're saying that if it's Stapp's fault you'll boycott his cd ... but if it's Mark's fault, you don't know what you'll do.

hmmm... sounds a bit one-sided.