Ann, first of all I know you are an intelligent person, as are most who are on the Internet. And even though in my posts I am referring to your words, I am talking about Stapp fans (or whatever topic) in general, not specifically you. I realize you see things your way, but most don't. I still don't agree with your view, but irregardless of that there still is a difference between the music and the person. What if Scott Stapp was a convicted rapist or murderer? Would you still respect him as a person? My point is that you don't have to like the person as a whole to like and respect the music he/she makes.

They may be "great people," but they are crazy. They worship Stapp as some sort of god, and that really disturbs me. I just think some of them only like him because they are physically attracted to him, or they are just mentally unstable.

IMO :D

That's true, Steve. I can't comment on Stapp from a personal standpoint but can comment on him when it comes to music. I support him as a musician, but not necessarily as a person because I don't know him personally.

And I think you could probably make the same argument about some AB fans. Every artist has a fan that is extremely obsessed. Stapp and AB are no different.

Well, unless you personally know all those people than you have no right to call them unstable. My husband is also a member over there and from experience know it's not because he's attracted to Stapp. It's just a website where we can talk about Stapp without getting assholes like you who think we are all "crazy" or "obsessed". I don't think any of us have compared Scott to a GOD either.

We don't judge you or say shit about you so why don't you keep your opinion about people you don't even know or associate with to yourself.

I don't by any means worship Stapp. I like him and Tremonti both equally and always have. It just seems like everyone's kicking Stapp while he's down. Everyone has a right to their opinions... but I think we should at least give him a chance to release an album before we poke fun at everything he does. That's my opinion. I think they need to start putting some new music on his site though... and he needs to stay away from the Top 40 radio crap. He's at his best when he's pissed and aggressive and I think if he releases music that is similar to the "My Own Prison" stuff, he'll re-establish himself as a valid rock musician.

My point is that everyone over there goes nuts when a new picture of Scott is posted. Explain that. Also, after the World Series everyone there was like "oh, that was the best version of GBA ever! His voice was perfect!" I just think that is going off the deep end a bit. In my opinion, and many other people's opinion, many of you place Stapp on a pedastal above everything, and treat the man as if "his shit don't stink." I never claimed anyone said he was God, but many act as if he's some type of god or idol.

You don't have to like my opinion. ;)

I don't think they all act like that. I think it's awesome there's a fan site out there that is so dedicated to Scott and his career. I think it's alright to place him on a pedastal as a musician, but not as a person because we don't know him. I don't think he should be bashed as a person, either, because, again, we don't know him. We only know what we hear/see in the news. I only try to judge him as a musician, not as a person. I hope everyone else does the same.

Maybe it`s so fabolous because you belong to that fan site????
Just asking!!!! :confused:

You know, i totally agree with everything that guy from metal edge had to say, because i, for one, no longer have any respect for the post-creed stapp. I think that hes doing the wrong thing by trying to keep himself alive with creed songs. As a musician who is very close to getting into the big music scene, i can tell you that it is disrespectful to do that. I had a band a while ago called Black September. I had songs written with them. Now that i have a new band, i wouldnt even think of using those old songs even tho they were pretty good. I just think what stapp is doing by goin out with new band members and playing creed songs at live radio interviews is wrong, and he should let it go. Think about this for a minute, what if he were to take old creed songs and put them to new music, or remix them, how would you all feel then? By doing this with a new band, thats basically what he is doing.

until stapp puts out a new album, i have no respect for him...:/

This has nothing to do with him as a person. It has everything to do with the quality of his performances. So, if I find I am not satisfied with quality of his performances, I am spewing negativity? I don't think so. It's called critical thinking and judging...his performance, NOT his actions as a person.

Well, there are quite a bunch of us who are looking at this purely as a performance issue. Again, it has nothing to do with my opinion of him as a person, since I really don't him personally, nor do you.

Michael typed in what was in the article; I typed in part of what I found in a Q&A in a magazine that I happened to find humorous. This is a message board for members of Alter Bridge and Scott Stapp. When information, opinion or otherwise, appears in print or online, I would venture to guess that most of the people who are members here would be interested in reading it, regardless of the slant intended or unintended by the person or persons who provided the information.

Actually, I don't belong to that fan site. I've been there a few times and the layout is awesome. I love the AB fan site(s) as well(remember, I'm an equal fan of Stapp and AB) Just like I love the 12 Stones fan site I help run. Fan sites are awesome to me because anyone who takes that time to run the fan site is really passionate about the artist's music.

As far as Stapp playing Creed songs, I've said I'm against it. I wouldn't really have a problem if he only did an acoustic(with him playing) performance of WAWO, but I do not like the fact he's got a backing band playing Creed's biggest hit.(imo)

thank you Dogstar and Steve for your replies to my post...my opinions are like your's... my own...and for all the years i have posted, i claim nothing more than anyone else that posts does...just giving my observations from my point of view...

apparently because of the medium we make these statements in, it seems that saying what one means, or wishes to relate to a subject remains confusing... as those that read it feel it must be applied in some manner or form other than it's intended statement.

Something i am aware of is that no matter what some people say...it will never be what some people wish to read or hear...but there is no defense to what we call "just opinions"...for that is all they are....personal views, which will vary with every person...

as for enjoying reading such informational posts...I'll agree, they are of interest to many, and i have no problem with that...what i posted was not aimed at Michael, or anyone else that posts such information...at one point i have been one of those people posting such information...altho i doubt anyone remembers or really cared.

what does become bothersome is when the negativity starts towards someone as a human being...as you say i don't know stapp anymore than anyone else that posts...but it does appear that a lot of the comments...NOT ALL...are aimed at him as a person (since most people see the person separate from the lyrics/music)..not just his recent/past performances...

i fear that the idea i was trying to illustrate was totally missed, so i will restate, as that was the crux of my post to begin with...the lyrics/music for ME (maybe no one else) are not a "separate entity" from the person that creates them....for the person that creates the lyrics/music puts the person that they are or wish to be into their writing/composition...they are creating from a personal level...not just a technical level if they really care about their "gift"...an example musically would be Beethoven...he was his music and his music was him...artistically, for me it was Salvadore Dali...and lyrically scott stapp (these examples are just to make a point...i do have interests in other artists/musicians/lyrcists)...so when one dislikes the art...they are saying they dislike the artist...that is what it says to me.

and again as i said previously...this is how I feel...not saying it has to be right for anyone else, nor am i trying to make/tell anyone else to believe it...my post was just a statement of my thoughts on the matter, nothing aimed at anyone inparticular.

Ann, I agree with the part about "for the person that creates the lyrics/music puts the person that they are or wish to be into their writing/composition". I'm a songwriter(well lyrics anyway) and when I write, I write about my feelings. I basically use it as a way to write how I feel, you know, a journal of sorts. Maybe this is the way Stapp writes and if it is, then I completely agree with you about the songwriter/musician and person being one in the same.

You're write, no matter what you post(and this goes for any forum) there will be someone who does not want to hear it and will probably bash you for saying it. Not everyone is respectful of someone else's opinion.

As was mine. It's a discussion board, so we're discussing, and disagreeing. I write, too, and I put my heart and soul into it as well, but it does not mean that it will be pleasing to everyone. If someone doesn't enjoy my words, I don't look at it a personal attack. I look at it as someone who just might not happen to enjoy my version of expression. We are all different and have different tastes.

Yup, so I think we need to just agree to disagree. Like you said, we've all got different opinions and different tastes.

My bologna has a first name, it's H-O-M-E-R. My Bolgna has a second name it's H-O-M-E-R. Doh!

Lol:lolsign:

I'll have to agree with what most of you are saying about the person-to-musician thing.

I've lost a lot of respect for him as a musician because, without Creed, Scott seems like a lost puppy. I can understand it's hard, but he's simply not rebounding from this thing like Mark and Flip.

I was a diehard Creed fan - the diehard Creed fan who went to high school with a bunch of people that wore their "Even Jesus Hates Creed" T-shirts with my Creed shirts on, getting looks from the people that hated Creed. I didn't care.

This kind of thing is disappointing to me. I loved Creed, and I still pop in Human Clay on a weekly basis. I'm an AB fan now, too, but there's still that 1/4 of Creed that Stapp was just washing away.

I lost a lot of respect for him when I kept hearing about all of these weird religious gestures that he made on stage and stuff, and now with this PBF site... People are putting him on a pedestal, when as a musician, he's doing nothing. It's just frustrating for me to see.

I am a fan of Creed, and I am a fan of Alter Bridge, but I'm finding it hard to be a fan of Scott Stapp right now. Let go of the past and concentrate on the present and future dude. You're being shown up.

If he wants to be regarded as a musician, the man needs to start making some damn music, because of with his dormancy, it's looking as if Creed was his only way into music. It seems as if he has no way to do this without someone leading him along the way.

Well, I think we can't really judge him as a musician until we've heard his solo album. We've heard one solo song from him(and that was a Christian song) and a couple Creed songs. That's it. Meanwhile, we've heard one full album from Alter Bridge and some of us have heard some unreleased songs. So, at the moment, it's not a fair comparison to me. Scott was a songwriter, he didn't write the music. Mark wrote some lyrics and most of the music. Scott has to wait for a backing band to probably help him create the music for his lyrics and his solo career, meanwhile Mark's already came out with a new CD and has already(along with the rest of Alter Bridge) established himself after Creed. Stapp hasn't because he hasn't come out with his new stuff yet. My point is that I'm not going to judge the post-Creed Stapp as a musician until his solo album has come out. Until then, I'm still one of his fans. And we haven't heard new music(beyond Relearn Love) from him because his solo CD hasn't come out yet. I don't know why it hasn't, maybe that's Scott's fault, maybe it's Wind Up's, but it hasn't come out. So, until it comes out, anytime we hear Scott singing he'll be singing Relearn Love or a Creed song. That's what we just have to get used to, like it or not(personally I don't like the idea of him singing Creed songs, but I'm resigned to the fact)

As for PBF, ummm, I'm sure there are AB fan sites that place them on pedastals. It doesn't just happen to Scott. It happens to almost every artist out there that is popular. And not everyone at PBF puts him on a pedastal. I hate when people judge something just based on one person or thing. Like if I were to meet one bad Christian, would I be justified in saying that all Christians are bad? No. That's unfair to judge the whole religion of Christianity based on one person. The same thing applies here. I think alot of people are unfairly judging PBF as just being a Stapp fan site that worships Stapp as if he were God. I do not think this is the case, and if you do, then realize there are AB fan sites like this. It's not just Stapp fan sites. If you come back and say "oh there aren't AB fan sites like this, but PBF does worship Stapp" then you're being a hypocrite.

No offense to any PBF'rs, but that place is like a cult, i went there to check it out, signed up, and everyone had stapp pictures all over their signatures, most of the smileys used were animated stapp clips, like, actual clips of him. I was kinda freaked out by it, and there was some AB bashing going on over there, so dont let those hypocrits fool you. It made me sick to see that after everything people were saying, including Tea Party, on how twisted stapp is, they still hold him as their golden god.

Exactly. That place is FREAKY!

Yeah I've been there once myself. A tad on the strange side. Also, they don't really focus on the musical side of Stapp. The fact that he passively makes music on occasion is a sidenote over there. It's just "All Hail Stapp".

Like I guess if Myles butchered GBA, I'd be able to admit it and still respect him musically.

People at PBF don´t like Stapp for his music talent, all the opposite, they like Stapp as a phisic (body, meat, as you want it to call it). You are not going to find a AB where fans like them in that way or putting them on a pedastal. PBF is a cult board....they are obssesed with Stapp.

thank you for backing me on that one! i thought for sure i was going to get grilled

and the craziest thing about PBF, their admin tried to tell me that there is no AB bashing, yet i witnessed it with my own eyes, and she was like "oh, thats just the resident joker. PM me if you want to know what i said to her

Man, you are the chick who posted the thread called "Whass up". I posted in your deffense on page 3. You have "bollocks"...well done... :D

actually, i would be the chick who posted....if i was a chick, lol
yea, im the one who posted that, and reamed them out, and for some reason...passionbreedsfollowers cant be found, i cant get in, i think i may have been expelled, if you'll excuse me, i think ill go cry myself to sleep. LMAO.

I am having the same problem.....my laptop says the web can not be found!!!!
Such a shame!!!!Hehehehehehehe :D . Have a nice cry sweety!!!!Hehehehe :D ;)

actually, i think i have a good idea why PBF is shut down....Steve isnt the admin, so theres gotta be a lot of downtime! U da man steve

it'll be a niecr cry if you console me tremontana ;)

I will.....i have been at PBF now....they have a new topic about the post Michael posted here with Mark quote...they are bashing Mark so much!!!! I feel like post there....but if i do.... i will be tough....maybe i will be loose the war but i will died deffending Tremo....such a honor....

What you think???? :rolleyes:

i just went over and let loose on them in that forum about mark that michael posted. we'll see what happens

i am goign to check it out right now!!!!!
I see you in a bit......!!!!

Well, apparently they are all ignorant braindead people who cant see outside of their little box. I should be getting banned from PBF in a short amount of time.

you got a PM

Tremontana and Tremonti4life04...think you guys can get anymore childish?

I thought it was you over there and a word of advise...if you think what you are reading is "bashing" you are sorely mistaken...if anyone is saying anything out of line it is the ones going over there DELIBERTY to push their point.

NO ONE from PBF is telling you what to think...but you, T4life04 are definitely having a problem with what they wish to say.

What is yours and others facination with what goes on at PBF...it is a private bb and signing up just so you can cause trouble on their bb is pretty low...ya know?


:eek: are you serious Tremontana...:laugh:...from what i know of them, and i've talked with many of them online for quite a while now...the concept in that reply is like a blind man playing baseball...you are so far off target, if ya ain't careful you'll trip over your own feet...believe what you will, because others do as well...but there are those of us that know how far off base that was...

I am not trying anything...and i don´t want to change anyone else mind thinking...u know???
I am not trip over my feet. I didn´t do anything wrong. I am not going to waist my time just for one person ,in this case the main reason is Stapp, whos full of money and have a great life and feel like a misserable for him. I don´t want to know about PFB no more....i have what i called BIG PROBLEMS in my life to waist my time and keep busy in.
And ANN ILLUsion, i don´t have a problem with you, so leave it like that. I don´t want to argue with someone of this site.

Nor am i trying to argue with you, Tremontana...just making a comment on your post...and basically trying to do it in a somewhat humorus way... ;)

I hope whatever big problems you are having in your life soon work out... :)

Ha, I got banned last week. They really are closed-minded idol-worshipping freaks!!! :D